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Message 1312380 - Posted: 8 Dec 2012, 3:35:34 UTC
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I have at maximum NZ$300 to spend which is US$245.88. Out of the 500 series range of cards what is the best card for bang for my buck? I like the sound of either Gigabyte or Asus cards

Looking at the top GPU models list the 560 comes in on top with the 570 sitting at number 3. Along with using it for GPU processing I will also be doing a little bit of gaming. I will be playing flight Sim and racing games.

My PCIE slot is only 2.0. I have read that there is very little speed decrease if you use a PCIE 3.0 card in a 2.0 slot. Can anybody confirm this?
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Message 1312393 - Posted: 8 Dec 2012, 4:39:08 UTC - in response to Message 1312380.
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I have at maximum NZ$300 to spend which is US$245.88. Out of the 500 series range of cards what is the best card for bang for my buck? I like the sound of either Gigabyte or Asus cards

If you could get one at the right price, the GTX-660 is the winner. It outperforms the older cards, and uses less power to do it.
The other option would be a 650Ti, which wouldn't be as fast as a 560. But it would use much, much less power (at least 70W less).
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/543?vs=660

My PCIE slot is only 2.0. I have read that there is very little speed decrease if you use a PCIE 3.0 card in a 2.0 slot. Can anybody confirm this?

Unless the games are extremely graphically demanding, PCIe 2v3 isn't an issue. And for crunching purposes the effect is minimal if any.
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Message 1312405 - Posted: 8 Dec 2012, 4:58:33 UTC

As I have a GTX 670, GTX 660 and GTX 650 Ti, you can look at my 2 computers to get an idea of crunching times.

The 670 and 650 Ti are doing 2 at a time as they are in the same machine

The 660 is doing 3 at a time.
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Message 1312423 - Posted: 8 Dec 2012, 5:51:33 UTC - in response to Message 1312405.

As I have a GTX 670, GTX 660 and GTX 650 Ti, you can look at my 2 computers to get an idea of crunching times.

The 670 and 650 Ti are doing 2 at a time as they are in the same machine

The 660 is doing 3 at a time.

Thankyou for details. I gather both your mother boards are PCIE 3.0? Out of interest what temps are you seeing from your GPU'S & hw big is your PSU in the rig you have your 660 in? Last but not least do you need to use air con in summer if you run 3 tasks at a time on a hot day?
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Message 1312435 - Posted: 8 Dec 2012, 6:22:03 UTC - in response to Message 1312423.

Out of interest what temps are you seeing from your GPU'S & hw big is your PSU in the rig you have your 660 in? Last but not least do you need to use air con in summer if you run 3 tasks at a time on a hot day?


I've got a Gigabyte GTX-560Ti factory overclock.
Running 3 at a time it's at 75°c with the fans running at 90%. Indoor temperature is around 35°c. A GTX-660Ti would do more work for about 30-50W less power. That would result in significantly lower operating temperatures.
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Message 1312451 - Posted: 8 Dec 2012, 9:09:51 UTC - in response to Message 1312435.

Out of interest what temps are you seeing from your GPU'S & hw big is your PSU in the rig you have your 660 in? Last but not least do you need to use air con in summer if you run 3 tasks at a time on a hot day?


I've got a Gigabyte GTX-560Ti factory overclock.
Running 3 at a time it's at 75°c with the fans running at 90%. Indoor temperature is around 35°c. A GTX-660Ti would do more work for about 30-50W less power. That would result in significantly lower operating temperatures.


No, it really doesn't.

I don't want to go back, back, back through all of this, but the 660Ti performs about like the 560 (no-Ti) for crunching SETI. The evidence is out there if anyone cares to look. Your overclock Gigabyte 560Ti will out-produce a SC 660Ti; no contest.

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Message 1312509 - Posted: 8 Dec 2012, 11:34:13 UTC - in response to Message 1312451.

Out of interest what temps are you seeing from your GPU'S & hw big is your PSU in the rig you have your 660 in? Last but not least do you need to use air con in summer if you run 3 tasks at a time on a hot day?


I've got a Gigabyte GTX-560Ti factory overclock.
Running 3 at a time it's at 75°c with the fans running at 90%. Indoor temperature is around 35°c. A GTX-660Ti would do more work for about 30-50W less power. That would result in significantly lower operating temperatures.


No, it really doesn't.

I don't want to go back, back, back through all of this, but the 660Ti performs about like the 560 (no-Ti) for crunching SETI. The evidence is out there if anyone cares to look. Your overclock Gigabyte 560Ti will out-produce a SC 660Ti; no contest.


My own 560ti (An eVGA superclocked model) has been a stellar performer over time. I'd also go either SC 560ti, or 670/680. There are some things to take care with 560ti's most of us will be aware of by now, but they apply to varying degrees in anything equal or higher performing.

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Message 1312595 - Posted: 8 Dec 2012, 15:37:35 UTC - in response to Message 1312423.

As I have a GTX 670, GTX 660 and GTX 650 Ti, you can look at my 2 computers to get an idea of crunching times.

The 670 and 650 Ti are doing 2 at a time as they are in the same machine

The 660 is doing 3 at a time.

Thankyou for details. I gather both your mother boards are PCIE 3.0? Out of interest what temps are you seeing from your GPU'S & hw big is your PSU in the rig you have your 660 in? Last but not least do you need to use air con in summer if you run 3 tasks at a time on a hot day?


Both boards are PCIE 2.0.

The 660 is running around 60c crunching 3 at a time.
The 650 Ti is running around 65c crunching 2 at a time, smaller card.
The 670 is running around 60c crunching 2 at a time.

The 660 is running off of a 530 watt PSU
The 650 Ti and 670 are running off of a 850 watt PSU.

I always have to run A/C in the summer as my 1969 DW trailer has no insulation at all.
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Message 1312735 - Posted: 8 Dec 2012, 22:11:00 UTC

I always have to run A/C in the summer as my 1969 DW trailer has no insulation at all.


I guess you can save a bit of power in the winter by using your rigs to heat your trailer?


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Message 1312736 - Posted: 8 Dec 2012, 22:12:52 UTC

Thank you all for your feedback has been very helpful. It looks like a 670/680 is certainly the way to go. I will be look into what prices are doing some time in the early New Year I'm picking at this stage. If peopple have other ideas please keep them coming
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Message 1313859 - Posted: 11 Dec 2012, 4:52:45 UTC
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Can someone confirm that the 680 will run on PCIE 2.0 on my I7 980X Can people please recommend a brand of 680 to buy E.G:

GIGABYTE GV-N670OC-2GD GeForce GTX 670 Windforce OC 2048MB GDDR5 256-bit PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Graphics Card $452.94
EVGA GeForce GTX 680 FTW 4096MB GDDR5, DVI, DVI-D, HDMI, DisplayPort, 4-way SLI Ready Graphics Card (04G-P4-3687-KR) Graphics Cards 04G-P4-3687-KR $641.01
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 680 OC 2 GB GDDR5 DVI-I/DVI-D/HDMI/Dis... port PCI-Express 3.0 Graphics Card (GV-N680OC-2GD) $532.20

All prices in NZD EX freight & 15% GST items off amazon

Does anybody know of of a company in the states/US that I can buy the card through that will then ship it to New Zealand?I have not been able to find one at this point.
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Message 1313977 - Posted: 11 Dec 2012, 14:40:18 UTC - in response to Message 1313859.

Does anybody know of of a company in the states/US that I can buy the card through that will then ship it to New Zealand?I have not been able to find one at this point.


I do most of my business with TigerDirect here in the states, which is a subsidary of Systmax. Systmax has partners/sites world wide, you might try one of them. I have dealt with TigerDirect for over 10 years and have never been disappointed. I can count the number of times that I have to send something back, for one reason or another on two fingers. GOOD LUCK!!

Here's the link to Systmax's worldwide partners

http://www.misco.nl/worldwidepartners
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Message 1314150 - Posted: 12 Dec 2012, 5:42:34 UTC

Thank you for the Tiger direct link Cliff, unfortunately I cannot seem to find a gigabyte branded card or the ability to be able to ship to my address in New Zealand, even though the amount in the cart came to what I could only issue was New Zealand dollars.
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Message 1314545 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 8:20:52 UTC
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Are either of these cards good for GPU use
MSI N680GTX-PM2D2GD5 2GB & the MSI N680GTX Lightning GeForce GTX 680 2GB. Also can these cards run on PCIE 2.0?
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Message 1314639 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 13:37:46 UTC - in response to Message 1314545.

Are either of these cards good for GPU use
MSI N680GTX-PM2D2GD5 2GB & the MSI N680GTX Lightning GeForce GTX 680 2GB. Also can these cards run on PCIE 2.0?

Most likely I'd say yes for either card, either stock or with water. The card will run fine on pcie 2.0.
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Message 1314863 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 21:24:30 UTC - in response to Message 1314639.
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Are either of these cards good for GPU use
MSI N680GTX-PM2D2GD5 2GB & the MSI N680GTX Lightning GeForce GTX 680 2GB. Also can these cards run on PCIE 2.0?

Most likely I'd say yes for either card, either stock or with water. The card will run fine on pcie 2.0.
Thanks VW I'll be running the card on air. I will purchase in early 2013.
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Message 1314887 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 22:18:23 UTC - in response to Message 1314863.
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Are either of these cards good for GPU use
MSI N680GTX-PM2D2GD5 2GB & the MSI N680GTX Lightning GeForce GTX 680 2GB. Also can these cards run on PCIE 2.0?

Most likely I'd say yes for either card, either stock or with water. The card will run fine on pcie 2.0.
Thanks VW I'll be running the card on air. I will purchase in early 2013.

If I were buying the card for Myself, I'd not get the one with the bigger fans, as it looks like it would be better for heat to exhaust outside of the case.
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Message 1315012 - Posted: 14 Dec 2012, 5:27:10 UTC - in response to Message 1314887.


MSI N680GTX-PM2D2GD5 2GB & the MSI N680GTX Lightning GeForce GTX 680 2GB. Also can these cards run on PCIE 2.0?


I'd not get the one with the bigger fans, as it looks like it would be better for heat to exhaust outside of the case.

Thanks for this information. What card would you go for?
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Message 1315016 - Posted: 14 Dec 2012, 6:33:15 UTC - in response to Message 1315012.
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MSI N680GTX-PM2D2GD5 2GB & the MSI N680GTX Lightning GeForce GTX 680 2GB. Also can these cards run on PCIE 2.0?


I'd not get the one with the bigger fans, as it looks like it would be better for heat to exhaust outside of the case.

Thanks for this information. What card would you go for?

Provided this card has screws on the side of the casing like the GTX590 does, I'd get the MSI N680GTX-PM2D2GD5 2GB, the MSI N680GTX Lightning GeForce GTX 680 2GB would better in an open test stand in My opinion.

Now the MSI N680GTX Lightning GeForce GTX 680 2GB could be put in a HAF-932 or a HAF-X case with a HAF-932 side panel with 4 108cfm fans to help exhaust any excess heat, then it might be possible to house more than one card of that type.
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Message 1315874 - Posted: 16 Dec 2012, 4:21:47 UTC
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I have a GTX 570 Classified I picked up for $175.
I have the graphics card slightly over clocked to 839MHz(from 822MHz) a stock GTX 570 runs at 732Mhz.

With a Core 2 Duo over clocked to 4.2GHz and the Classy I was doing about 28,000 a day.... Then, I found Mech Warrior online(which took about 4 hour a night off my seti time a few night a week) and than seti had that 5 day outage and my RAC crashed.

From the reading I have done a GTX570 is slightly(5% maybe 10% but not much) fast than a GTX660. However it uses WAY more power like nearly duoble. Particularly a card like mine.


I like the classified Nvidia card(obvioulsy I bought one) but if you go 500 series I would get a MSI570 and overclock it to around 900MHZ.(Depending on your cooling setup.

My vote....GTX 660.
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