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Message 1309677 - Posted: 24 Nov 2012, 10:05:38 UTC
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My town has a CCTV control room in a secure location, that is manned 24/7. There are about 40 screens all around the walls which monitor all parts of the town, and also some wider local areas. It is there to monitor RTA's, Traffic congestion, local crime, Town management, and general health and safety. It can identify shoplifters, and help keep the town centre and train stations safe at night from drunken and anti-social behaviour. It has direct links to all the emergency services, plus Scotland Yard, and Whitehall.

As you can imagine, it was on full alert the summer before last. It has won many top awards for its operation, and I and some others were given a guided tour recently. I was most impressed and not at all intimidated.

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Message 1309714 - Posted: 24 Nov 2012, 11:22:36 UTC

It strikes me as a bit 1984, to be honest.
As a means of crime prevention, for town/city centres, the surveys aren't convincing, as reported in 1,000 CCTV cameras to solve just one crime, Met Police admits.

There is also some evidence that they may just be crime movers. If the criminals know location X is covered then they move to location Y. Which means location Y now needs CCTV and the crime hotspot moves on. There is also the possibility that the "metal theft" crimes could be a means of blacking out the system in a small area.

One place they seem to be effective is car parks. And their use at protecting property, such as a factory or school where they can be used with other sensors to record suspicious behavior they work well.

So I think society needs to be a think a bit more about where and when it installs CCTV systems. And although not CCTV, isn't this School Tracker also a bit 1984'ish. I can see some benefits, but to me I think it is OTT. Or is it schools have got too big and impersonnel and now too hard to control without electronic aids.

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Message 1309724 - Posted: 24 Nov 2012, 11:34:08 UTC
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My understanding is that anything that happens in a public place is well "public". Note the "reality police shows" when someone is being arrested and tries to block the camera, they are told it is a public place and quite within rights to film.

I believe you can set up a web cam pointing to the street and record or broadcast it anywhere.

This is the Abbey Road crossing this morning:



And this is Times Square yesterday from the "archives" (too early there yet!!)



There are hundreds of others all for "amusement" which of course anyone with web access can view.
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Message 1309857 - Posted: 24 Nov 2012, 18:00:39 UTC - in response to Message 1309670.

Well if "Minority Report" AI type cameras are not progress, I don't know what is.

I'm sure people won't be convicted of "about to commit a crime" but it sure will go a long way to ensure the safety and security of the people.

What wrong with that?

I agree. But only if this suspect behaviour is used as a prevention and not as in minority report to punish somebody due to something they think he was going to do...

I mean, if I call the police because there is a stranger in the street inspecting the cars parked, I hope that they come to disuade the possible thief just with their presence... If the cameras do the automatic report of suspected behaviours it could be good.

The only issue is that this automatic thing can be used to fool the police, you just need a certain number of actors doing suspected things in several monitored places to distract the police from the real crime that you are going to commit with a carefully trained behaviour to not act suspiciously...
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