'One for the history books' discovery by Curiosity rover on Mars

Hints revealed today that the Curiosity rover on Mars has turned up something important. When a NASA scientist is willing to use a phrase like 'one for the history books', one naturally sits up and takes notice. It will apparently take a few weeks to repeatedly verify this discovery, before an official announcement. Speculation so far centers around the possibility that organic compounds have been found on the red planet. Discovery of these would strengthen the case for life on Mars, either currently, or in the past. http://www.npr.org/2012/11/20/165513016/big-news-from-mars-rover-scientists-mum-for-now

If organic compounds were detected by Curiosity, we have an interesting situation here. Finding these compounds so early in the mission seems to indicate that they are widespread on Mars. The two Viking probes in 1976 seemed to detect life on Mars. This was denied when no organic material could be found in the soil samples. These compounds should exist in the presence of life. If it is probable that organic material exists at the Viking sites, the most serious objection to Viking having found life on Mars, 36 years ago, will be removed. A remarkable story, if true: Life found on Mars a generation ago, and not realized until now.

Just a note to minimize the wait for further news of the new discovery on Mars. Dr. Grotzinger, head of the Curiosity science team has reported that he will hold a press briefing on this, on Dec. 3rd, at the meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco. 20,000 or more scientists are expected to attend the meeting as a whole, which runs from Dec. 3rd to the 7th. Dr. Grotzinger's presentation was earlier set for Dec. 5th. I wonder if it was moved up, due to its perceived importance. As it stands, only 11 days to wait.

A new article, today, from space.com. Affirms, with expert opinion, what was said before about the meaning of finding organic compounds on Mars, vis a vis the Viking probes' apparent detection of life on Mars a generation ago. Also mentions the apparent scientific consensus that organic compounds in the soil are likeliest to be what Curiosity has found, given it capabilities and current activity. Assuming that the earliest date given for disclosure of what has been found (Dec. 3rd) is correct, we have only one week to wait. link to new article: http://www.space.com/18626-nasa-mars-rover-secret-discovery-speculation.html

Thanks for all the updates!

Ah Hah! Now I wonder about "The Face" and "The Pyramid" that was so casually debunked. Have these guys been telling us the truth. I know, I know,it's just a co-incidence that there happens to be a formation on Mars that looks like a face. And oh, by the way, that there is another formation that looks like a PERFECT PYRAMID!Duh, nature does that all the time here on Earth. Right? Let's see! How many out there can show me an example of a perfect pyramid here on earth? And I do mean PERFECT! Excuse me, made by nature! The ONLY ones I know of are all man-made.You know, all sides exactly the same length, the same height, and even, apparently, the same stepped faces. Happens all the time! Right? Yeah right! Some of these guys have been reading too much Terry Pratchett.[/i]
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An interesting article in this morning's New York Times on Curiosity's recent discovery. Among the salient points is the admission of Mr. Guy Webster, a press operative at NASA's Jet Propulsion laboratory ( JPL ) that he does not know what Curiosity has found on Mars. This seems to contradict his much quoted remarks minimizing the discovery. It also confirms what was said before about the unlikelihood of someone not on the Curiosity science team being privy to the new data, which is being held so closely. Link to article http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/28/science/space/undisclosed-finding-by-mars-rover-fuels-intrigue.html

Last night's NBC Television news had a short feature about the new Curiosity discovery, including a very short session with Dr. Grotzinger. He made a remark about the science team being in the process of learning how to work with organic substances. he didn't actually say they had found organic compounds on Mars, but this seemed to be implied. We'll have to wait another four days to get something more definite.
He also said that he did not have proof of life on Mars. That is not unexpected. As a responsible scientist, he knows that a single soil sample, and chemical results that have, so far, been examined by only his own team can not be conclusive, no matter what they appear to show. Many more samples, chemical tests, and peer review of the results lie between this potential discovery, and scientific proof. A video of the television piece is available here: http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/50002282/#50002282

Well, the December 3rd press briefing has come and gone. I wanted to put up a link ahead of time to a site giving live online coverage of the presentation, but couldn't, with the S@H site being down.
If anyone hasn't heard elsewhere by now, they seem to have discovered simple organic compounds, chloromethanes, but aren't sure yet if Curiosity brought these with it, or if they're native to Mars, and if they're from Mars, if they're related to living things. Some organisms on Earth emit chloromethane. There is a good deal known about the metabolism of perchlorates by microorganisms on Earth. These obtain energy by reducing perchlorates and emitting chlorides.
The Curiosity team has a several step process planned to rule out contamination from Earth, and to decide if any organic compounds found are due to living things. It will apparently take some time to make these determinations.
Dr. Grotzinger seems to have been rather overoptimistic in his estimation of what most people would consider 'one for the history books'. He reports that his remark was prompted by the fact that the science laboratory aboard Curiosity was working consistently, as it was intended to. It *is* a kind of miracle that science can be done by radio remote control at a distance of well over 100 million miles. It is entirely possible the Curiosity will, eventually, make a discovery that everyone will agree is historic.

I've followed the NASA press conference. They played down any news scoop. It seems again, as in the case of the superluminal neutrinos, that scientists must be more careful in their speaking to the press, which is always looking for news. A dog biting a man is not news, a man biting a dog is news.
Tullio
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could be trace amounts of water
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These pictures were taken on old spacecraft that dont have the less than a meter resoltion. Any of the 3 orbiters are much better and have found no such face, no such buildings. If building werer there they would be prestine as the day they were made becuse of no water erosion. Mars sur\face is made up of sulfric types of salts.

I would think that the preferred discovery would not be coulda, woulda, shouda but rather "We found evidence of life on Mars) Especially exciting if they find it where there are living organisms now on the Red Planet.