This post is for the atheists participationg in Seti@home. Why the hell do those religous people assault us. You zealots just back off and get a better grip on reality (this comment not meant for those who are religous but accept others beliefs)

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So, what do you propose to talk about?

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Just how the atheists here can stop the Zealots from trying to take over and convert everyone. I am accepting of others beliefs, and i believe the majority of most religous people are, but just some of the religous people are insulting to us and others of different religouns, and i just want to think of a way to end or just even lighten this problem

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I am not an athiest myself, but i still agree with you about the zealots. And i did not join seti or any of the boinc projects to get sermons. And when they say you dont have to read it, that is bs. If i am following a thread and they post, i have to read the first line at least to see if it is related.

> Just how the atheists here can stop the Zealots from trying to take over and
> convert everyone. I am accepting of others beliefs, and i believe the
> majority of most religous people are, but just some of the religous people are
> insulting to us and others of different religouns, and i just want to think of
> a way to end or just even lighten this problem

I'm pretty zealous about my own beliefs, but I don't try to change anyone else. I am interested in other views, and I'm not an atheist, but can I participate?

I should point out that it may not be possible to stop others from trying to "convert everyone", but you might ignore them.

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When i said zealot, i meant people who are crazy and psyciatrically sick about their beliefs, and as an example think of WW

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Tom, i want to stop them because they are annoyinng and sometimes insulting

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> Tom, i want to stop them because they are annoyinng and sometimes insulting

I agree they are annoying, but I'm trying to be realistic about whether they can be stopped. Anyway, good luck.

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Henry-
A big part of the fun of fanaticizm is getting in the faces of your adversaries and spewing whatever it is you happen to be so taken with that the message cannot be restrained.
You have singled out just one particular faction (religious) and then announced the purpose of the thread is to explore how to end the participation of these folks in this thread.
I wish you success but am wondering should the SETI boards be attacked in the future by hockey fanatics whose lives revolve around sticks, pucks and penalty periods or quilting bee zealots who can only talk fabrics, batting, stitch style and geometric designs, if we are going to have a list of exclusionary thread listings at Café Seti -the titles of which all start with the word 'NO'
It's sort of like hanging a target in the alley next to a bar with a sign that says 'NO PITCHING BEERCANS!'-
Good luck with your filtering effort....cc

I suppose that the anti-zealot thoughts as the anti-almost everything of Carl are intended to be anti-extremes. If so, this would be a following of the greek thought: "nada en exceso" "nothing in excess". That was about the "just middle" and so on.
Mi question is, is we are VERY anti-extremes, as I think this is an example:

>This post is for the atheists participationg in Seti@home. Why the hell do >those religous people assault us. You zealots just back off and get a better >grip on reality (this comment not meant for those who are religous but accept >others beliefs)

Aren´t we being in an extreme?
This is an old question and it affects the ultra-relativism and the ultra-absolutism. The first, for example, when they say "everything is relative" and the second for example when they say "kill intolerants".
I think US is full of this late people (abolutists). As I was discussing with Tom, you cand reach peace through war. Well, you can´t beat intolerance through intolerance....

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"Raggio spezza, amista lunga"

Luca- ouch!
'...anti-almost everything of Carl....'
¿Por qué usted me trata tan malo?
¿Piense que soy un mal muchacho o algo?
I am so permissive I scare myself sometimes...cc

> Luca- ouch!
> '...anti-almost everything of Carl....'
> ¿Por qué usted me trata tan malo?
> ¿Piense que soy un mal muchacho o algo?
> I am so permissive I scare myself sometimes...cc

Perdón Carl. Veo que entendiste mal. A lo que yo iba era que tanto Henry, al estar contra los zelotes o vos al mencionar que tambien despues iban a aparecer otros (como los fanaticos del hockey), me pareció que lo que estaban haciendo era no aceptar extremistas, gente que quiere cambiarte la cabeza a lo que ellos piensan que, generalmente, es bastante extremo. Yo estoy de acuerdo con todo esto que pusiste tanto vos como Henry. Lo que pasa es que quería mencionar una reflexión filosófica y creí que mi argumento estaba bastante claro. Por eso use el "anti-casi todo de Carl", no por referirme a que seas intolerante, sino para preguntarnos si al defendernos de estos extremistas no estamos siendo extremistas nosotros mismos.
Perdón nuevamente. No quería tratarte mal. Y no pienso que seas una mala persona ni nada.
Espero que en nuestro idioma sea mas facil entendernos.
Saludos desde Argentina!!

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"Raggio spezza, amista lunga"

Luca-
Easier for me in English to agree that it I feel it is intolerant to be be exclusionary. For this reason alone I have so little patience with anybody who has the attitude they have a monopoly on the whole truth on any subject.
It has been my experience that the more someone knows about anything- if they are honest, the more they realize how limited their knowledge really is. The balloon keeps expanding, the more we learn, the more we need to learn to maintain our understanding as knowledge increases...cc

> Luca-
> Easier for me in English to agree that it I feel it is intolerant to be be
> exclusionary. For this reason alone I have so little patience with anybody who
> has the attitude they have a monopoly on the whole truth on any subject.
> It has been my experience that the more someone knows about anything- if they
> are honest, the more they realize how limited their knowledge really is. The
> balloon keeps expanding, the more we learn, the more we need to learn to
> maintain our understanding as knowledge increases...cc

Totally agree with this.
Each day I know new authors and theories and I just don´t reach to read about them all. Don´t mention of the little time to THINK about what I´m reading and the less amount of time to GATHER the increasing knowledge in mega-theories. Sometimes, this gigantic knowledge expansion, makes me want to retire to the country and rice crops. I hope I don´t surrender to that beatiful thought.

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"Raggio spezza, amista lunga"

> Tom, i want to stop them because they are annoyinng and sometimes insulting
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Henry,

They (WW)are not just sometimes insulting, they are always insulting. It seems that his whole reason for being is to demean and belittle, any and all non believers of his crazy 'truth', they are that fanatical that they just cannot be wrong, nothing can prove them wrong, even cruel reality smacking oneself in the face (oooooh, it's all gods will! Total BS!), they refuse to even accept that they may be even slightly wrong, failing to investigate beyond the alledged truth that a corrupted work of fiction provides them, treating it like some inane, inflexible, misguided script for life and denying the existence of all common sense and logic.

Unless the poor soul has been commanded to stay silent, even his little helper (Simeon) is prominent by his lack of support for his leaders actions.

I do not object to anyone having a religion of any sort, but, having someone strenuously trying to impose it, by whatever means, on any group or individual, I find abhorrant; religion in any form is supposed to be personal thing, in this current world of troubles there is absolutely no place for aggressive evangelism, it just spawns even more hatred and violence, for example, this forum was a reasonably calm, if more than a little strange, until WW, etc, came crashing onto the scene trying to mesmerise and brainwash anyone that might be vulnerable.

Now there are technically two factions on these boards, involved in what amounts to a very heated and unstoppable conflict, I have no doubt whatsoever that if all the involved parties were in each others personal presence, that WW would at the very least, now be wearing several boot prints in lieu of a face, purely because of the hatred and ill feeling that he personnaly has caused.

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>this is a free, open, international messageboard where all views and opinions are welcomed, whether you personally agree with them, or like them or not.

It sure is.
Not like yours over at cult headquarters where if you disagree you get the boot.

I understand completely.
Cult headquarters is restricted to cultists.
There can be no dissenting opinion.
Indeed there can be no opinion at all.