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Message 1307916 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 22:28:32 UTC - in response to Message 1307913.

If a horse whipping is needed, it seems politicians should be the first to be on the receiving end.


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It's got nothing to do with what religion a country is, it's all down to the laws of the land & those are made by it's parliament.

It was quite obvious that Éamon de Valera, a long time Taoiseach, wouldn't scratch his nose without permission from the Catholic church.


& Just what & who was he?
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Message 1307936 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 23:07:22 UTC - in response to Message 1307916.

& Just what & who was he?

You don't know how to use google and wikipedia?

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Message 1307941 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 23:14:44 UTC - in response to Message 1307936.

& Just what & who was he?

You don't know how to use google and wikipedia?


& you don't know how to follow threads & their posts... :)

FYI I know who & what he was....so does every real Irishman & Irishwoman!
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Message 1307954 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 23:40:01 UTC - in response to Message 1307936.

& Just what & who was he?

You don't know how to use google and wikipedia?

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Message 1307957 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 23:44:28 UTC - in response to Message 1307954.

& Just what & who was he?

You don't know how to use google and wikipedia?

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That's surprising coming from you WK.
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Message 1307977 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 0:40:30 UTC - in response to Message 1307957.

& Just what & who was he?

You don't know how to use google and wikipedia?

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That's surprising coming from you WK.

Why, I usually use unlinked clues from other peoples posts to further my own knowledge. Either to get more and sometimes better information to backup or oppose their claims.

Our friend who is taking a holiday, always, without exception, leaves things so wide open, so that with only a little searching, one can bring up many other sources to oppose his views, quite often from the same person. Unfortunately he has a tendency to lose it, so that we have weeks to wait until the fun can begin again.

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Message 1307979 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 0:42:01 UTC - in response to Message 1307977.

Ah, forgot about that.....

....yep, bit quiet here with no fun.....
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Message 1308065 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 11:02:26 UTC
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Politics isn't meant to be fun Sirius it's a serious business. It causes wars where people die, it affects the money in your pocket, it changes the laws in the country you live in. I have thought for a long time that we ought to have a "Private Eye" type thread here where your particular style of lampooning and irreverence would be best suited. That will leave the other threads for more serious discussion.

I'll give you the honour of starting it off. As you think it's all going down the pan, how about the "Westminster Chronicles" or WC for short.

(OMG was that was almost satirical!)

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Message 1308091 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 13:20:01 UTC - in response to Message 1307858.
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If a horse whipping is needed, it seems politicians should be the first to be on the receiving end.

Isn't the problem that they are Catholic? Seems to me like the Pope, bishops and cardinals need the horse whipping. Oh wait, they enjoy it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellation
Some members of strict monastic orders, and some members of the lay organization Opus Dei, practice mild self-flagellation using an instrument called a "discipline", a cattail whip usually made of knotted cords, which is flung over the shoulders repeatedly during private prayer.[13] Pope John Paul II took the discipline regularly.[14]


Yes, and the church leaders too:

[...]
Full Statement by the Standing Committee of the Irish Catholic Bishops’ Conference on the equal and inalienable right to life of a mother and her unborn child:
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* The Catholic Church has never taught that the life of a child in the womb should be preferred to that of a mother. By virtue of their common humanity a mother and her unborn baby are both sacred with an equal right to life.

* Where a seriously ill pregnant woman needs medical treatment which may put the life of her baby at risk, such treatments are ethically permissible provided every effort has been made to save the life of both the mother and her baby.

and if they'd stopped there, maybe doctors in Ireland would feel they had Church support to save a pregnant woman's life under circumstances similar to those of Savita's. They didn't:


* Whereas abortion is the direct and intentional destruction of an unborn baby and is gravely immoral in all circumstances, this is different from medical treatments which do not directly and intentionally seek to end the life of the unborn baby. Current law and medical guidelines in Ireland allow nurses and doctors in Irish hospitals to apply this vital distinction in practice while upholding the equal right to life of both a mother and her unborn baby.

"gravely immoral in all circumstances" wonderful. As for the law, this case from 1992 suggests that current law in Ireland includes "the right of Irish women to an abortion if a pregnant woman's life was at risk because of pregnancy"; 20 years later and the politicians are saying they won't be rushed into legislation.
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Message 1308123 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 15:52:40 UTC
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Message 1308126 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 16:01:51 UTC - in response to Message 1308123.

Ya, catholics are the BIGGEST problem in the world today.

Go for it, Wonderful Guy, tell us who REALLY is the BIGGEST problem in the world today.
Is it the Greys?

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Message 1308130 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 16:08:47 UTC - in response to Message 1308123.

Ya, catholics are the BIGGEST problem in the world today.

Religions aren't the problem, it's those who control them that are.

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Message 1308138 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 16:37:14 UTC - in response to Message 1308123.

Ya, catholics are the BIGGEST problem in the world today.

Guy, thanks for your brilliant, incisive critique.

Or straw man, take your pick.
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Message 1308148 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 17:12:03 UTC - in response to Message 1308138.

Ya, catholics are the BIGGEST problem in the world today.

Guy, thanks for your brilliant, incisive critique.

Or straw man, take your pick.


Actually, in this case, I think he wants someone else to say it is the ....... before he does, so he can then jump on and say it's fair game.

Ayatollah,
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Ayatollah,
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Message 1308182 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 23:25:09 UTC - in response to Message 1307977.

& Just what & who was he?

You don't know how to use google and wikipedia?

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That's surprising coming from you WK.

Why, I usually use unlinked clues from other peoples posts to further my own knowledge. Either to get more and sometimes better information to backup or oppose their claims.

Our friend who is taking a holiday, always, without exception, leaves things so wide open, so that with only a little searching, one can bring up many other sources to oppose his views, quite often from the same person. Unfortunately he has a tendency to lose it, so that we have weeks to wait until the fun can begin again.


Hey, Thursday IS a holiday here in the US. Our friend has every right to not write as he celebrates and passages the rites.

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Message 1308202 - Posted: 21 Nov 2012, 0:28:04 UTC - in response to Message 1308126.
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Message 1308211 - Posted: 21 Nov 2012, 1:09:38 UTC - in response to Message 1308202.

Ya, catholics are the BIGGEST problem in the world today.

Go for it, Wonderful Guy, tell us who REALLY is the BIGGEST problem in the world today.
Is it the Greys?



I just did. It's catholics, or more broadly, christians.

No, unbending ideologues are the biggest problem.
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Message 1308222 - Posted: 21 Nov 2012, 1:51:59 UTC - in response to Message 1308202.

Ya, catholics are the BIGGEST problem in the world today.

Go for it, Wonderful Guy, tell us who REALLY is the BIGGEST problem in the world today.
Is it the Greys?



I just did. It's catholics, or more broadly, christians.


No you didn't.
Besides, replacing Ayatollah with Pope?
Just won't work.

Ayatollah,
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Message 1308224 - Posted: 21 Nov 2012, 2:08:56 UTC - in response to Message 1308211.
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Message 1308235 - Posted: 21 Nov 2012, 2:56:12 UTC - in response to Message 1308224.

Guy, IIRC Major Kong stated that "there are only two things in the middle of the road, a dead armadillo and a yellow stripe."
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