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Message 1306611 - Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 23:56:50 UTC

This is why the stance taken by the far right, Catholic church and the teaparty is wrong.

Irish abortion laws to blame for woman's death, say parents

"In an attempt to save a 4-month-old foetus they killed my ... daughter. How is that fair you tell me?" A Mahadevi told several Indian television stations.

"How many more cases will there be? The rules should be changed as per the requirement of Hindus. We are Hindus, not Christians."

Halapanavar's husband, Paveen, has claimed that when the couple asked for a termination, fearing for Savita's life, the pair were told: "This is a Catholic country." He said doctors knew his wife was miscarrying within hours of her being taken to hospital.

The 31-year-old dentist died of blood poisoning on 27 October in University Hospital Galway despite asking repeatedly to terminate her 17-week-long pregnancy. Staff refused to carry out an abortion because her husband said they had detected a foetal heartbeat even though the couple were told the baby would not survive.

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Message 1306804 - Posted: 16 Nov 2012, 16:41:10 UTC - in response to Message 1306611.
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yep kill the mother even when the baby(fetus) is already dead inside the womb. What an excellent policy. It certainly lets people know that God is helping them even when they don't share the same beliefs in god
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Message 1306892 - Posted: 16 Nov 2012, 20:24:03 UTC

the devil works in strange and mysterious ways

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Message 1306902 - Posted: 16 Nov 2012, 20:57:12 UTC - in response to Message 1306892.

No proof of God, yet this proves the existence of the devil or at least evil forces.
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Message 1306924 - Posted: 16 Nov 2012, 21:52:46 UTC - in response to Message 1306902.

No proof of God, yet this proves the existence of the devil or at least evil forces.

evil is man. good hasn't been discovered yet.

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Message 1306927 - Posted: 16 Nov 2012, 22:12:00 UTC

What ever happend to the oath. Do no harm. How the heck can you let a woman die when there was never hope for the child?

A horse whipping should be on order.
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Message 1307782 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 17:54:28 UTC - in response to Message 1306902.

No proof of God, yet this proves the existence of the devil or at least evil forces.



In Anthroposophy they are called the fallen angels also known as demons. Some people mistake them with aliens.
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Message 1307798 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 18:23:54 UTC

Totally off topic, feel free to move it elsewhere.

Fallen angel is a concept that is typically synonymous with a wicked or rebellious angel. As the actual term fallen angel is not found in either the Hebrew Bible or the Deuterocanonical Books or the New Testament, biblical commentators use this term to describe angels who sinned or angels cast down to the earth from the "War in Heaven"

A "war in heaven" is an expression used in the Book of Revelation in reference to a combat it recounts between angels led respectively by the archangel Michael and by "the dragon", identified with "the devil and Satan", who is defeated and thrown down to the earth.

During the last ET visitation, beings apparently flying like birds were called various grades of angels. It is believed by some that at the end of that visitation, there was some sort of mutiny upon the orbiting mothership. Chief Angel Michael was the captain, and Satan was the rebel ringleader. The rogue band of crewmen having been beaten, either jumped ship, or were effectively deported by being left behind.

Of course I can't prove it, nor can anyone disprove it!


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Message 1307807 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 18:35:43 UTC

Things like that can never be proven I guess. It goes far beyond the exact science.
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Message 1307810 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 18:39:38 UTC

Of course it does. Fun to speculate though, provided one doesn't take it too seriously :-)

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Message 1307814 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 18:43:31 UTC - in response to Message 1307798.
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Totally off topic, feel free to move it elsewhere.

Fallen angel is a concept that is typically synonymous with a wicked or rebellious angel. As the actual term fallen angel is not found in either the Hebrew Bible or the Deuterocanonical Books or the New Testament, biblical commentators use this term to describe angels who sinned or angels cast down to the earth from the "War in Heaven"

A "war in heaven" is an expression used in the Book of Revelation in reference to a combat it recounts between angels led respectively by the archangel Michael and by "the dragon", identified with "the devil and Satan", who is defeated and thrown down to the earth.

During the last ET visitation, beings apparently flying like birds were called various grades of angels. It is believed by some that at the end of that visitation, there was some sort of mutiny upon the orbiting mothership. Chief Angel Michael was the captain, and Satan was the rebel ringleader. The rogue band of crewmen having been beaten, either jumped ship, or were effectively deported by being left behind.

Of course I can't prove it, nor can anyone disprove it!


A famous man once said:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence


Those that have trouble with your claims have no need to disprove them should they wish to dismiss them.
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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1307819 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 18:50:43 UTC

Those that have trouble with your claims have no need to disprove it should they wish to dismiss it.

Of course they don't! I'm not taking it too seriously. I hope you aren't :-)

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Message 1307823 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 18:53:27 UTC - in response to Message 1307814.



A famous man once said:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence


Wise words by a wise man:)

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Message 1307847 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 19:46:56 UTC - in response to Message 1306927.

What ever happend to the oath. Do no harm. How the heck can you let a woman die when there was never hope for the child?

A horse whipping should be on order.


Fear of repercussions impair a doctor's ability to perform actions in accord with their oath:

In 1992, Ireland’s Supreme Court ruled that abortion should be allowed if the mother’s life was in danger but the law has never been changed, forcing thousands of women to travel abroad for terminations every year.

Enda Kenny, the Taoiseach, came under renewed pressure to legislate for abortion earlier this week, but said he would await the results of reviews into Mrs Halappanavar’s death by the hospital and by the Health Service Executive.

Rachel Donnelly, a spokeswoman for the Galway Pro-Choice campaign group, said the case highlighted the need for legal change.

"This was an obstetric emergency which should have been dealt with in a routine manner,” she said. “Yet Irish doctors are restrained from making obvious medical decisions by a fear of potentially severe consequences.”

Clare Murphy, director of external affairs at the British Pregnancy Advisory Service, added: “Anti-abortion activists in Ireland have long said that sick pregnant women in Ireland get all the care they need – we know not just from this appalling case but from our own experience at the British Pregnancy Advisory Service that this is not the case.

“This case must force the Irish government to act on the judgment from the European Court of Human Rights on implementing existing rights to abortion in Ireland. This judgment was reached two years ago,” said Ms Murphy. “The absolute travesty is that nothing has been done sooner to prevent cases like the one we have just seen.”

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If a horse whipping is needed, it seems politicians should be the first to be on the receiving end.
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Message 1307858 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 20:18:25 UTC - in response to Message 1307847.

If a horse whipping is needed, it seems politicians should be the first to be on the receiving end.

Isn't the problem that they are Catholic? Seems to me like the Pope, bishops and cardinals need the horse whipping. Oh wait, they enjoy it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellation
Some members of strict monastic orders, and some members of the lay organization Opus Dei, practice mild self-flagellation using an instrument called a "discipline", a cattail whip usually made of knotted cords, which is flung over the shoulders repeatedly during private prayer.[13] Pope John Paul II took the discipline regularly.[14]


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Message 1307861 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 20:26:09 UTC - in response to Message 1307847.

If a horse whipping is needed, it seems politicians should be the first to be on the receiving end.


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It's got nothing to do with what religion a country is, it's all down to the laws of the land & those are made by it's parliament.
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Message 1307878 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 21:05:13 UTC - in response to Message 1307861.

It's got nothing to do with what religion a country is, it's all down to the laws of the land & those are made by it's parliament.

Aren't laws those things on tablets given out by burning bushes?

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Message 1307879 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 21:10:52 UTC - in response to Message 1307878.

It's got nothing to do with what religion a country is, it's all down to the laws of the land & those are made by it's parliament.

Aren't laws those things on tablets given out by burning bushes?


Tablets? I thought they were issued by muppets sitting at a round table......
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Message 1307880 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 21:14:45 UTC - in response to Message 1307879.

It's got nothing to do with what religion a country is, it's all down to the laws of the land & those are made by it's parliament.

Aren't laws those things on tablets given out by burning bushes?


Tablets? I thought they were issued by muppets sitting at a round table......

Only if they include the word "Fatwa"

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Message 1307913 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 22:24:07 UTC - in response to Message 1307861.

If a horse whipping is needed, it seems politicians should be the first to be on the receiving end.


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It's got nothing to do with what religion a country is, it's all down to the laws of the land & those are made by it's parliament.

It was quite obvious that Éamon de Valera, a long time Taoiseach, wouldn't scratch his nose without permission from the Catholic church.

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