maybe it's time for a third party candidate,

please no crazies like Perot to shake things up.

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Hey Es, and John, perhaps we should start a NEW colonisation of the new country. Lets face it, it couldn't be any worse than what they have at the moment!

If it would mean that I didn't have to watch the US implode sign me up

but at 10,00 dollars a lb. to near earth orbit much less the moon

lot's of things would be cheaper.

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sorry that was 10,000 dolars a lb..

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Yes the cliff is here, but what are we going to do about it?

My thought is that leadership is needed though politics has failed us here.

so what next, this is the basic question.

Well do what you can no one in authority will do it for you, look around.

If you have land plant a garden If you can afford solar panels put some up.

If wind or water are possible use those too, power under your control is

freedom opec only works because big power does not want to change and not

enough people have opted out yet to scare them.

If you want to have the freedom to use power as you see fit and drive were and

when you want to stop using big power. Fossil full is finit it will run out

even if kyoto meant something.

Detroit does not want to do electric cars because to few parts where out,

that is the bottom line. The technology for batter's is not there yet but if

enough electric cars get built to generate this market some one will fill it.

Big everything has decided you are sheep and they have the shears out.

So do not go there do as much as you can for your self and trade with others

that do the same.

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Detroit does not want to do electric cars because to few parts where out, that is the bottom line. The technology for batter's is not there yet but if enough electric cars get built to generate this market some one will fill it.

You still need the power companies to charge the batteries!!!

The payback period for wind, solar, or wave power is still too long with a big upfront cost.

Yes the cliff is here, but what are we going to do about it? My thought is that leadership is needed though politics has failed us here. so what next,

Change the leaders! You had your chance just recently ...

As to needing the power company No you really don't as to the payback period for

wind, solar, and wave this depends on where you are.

As to the big upfront cost for a complete turn key system yes.

But you can build them in pieces and the more you do your self the more you can save.

You can ask the big boy's all you want but the only think you can directly

change is what is directly in front of you and if you want it to change

you will need to do it with your own hands.

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Change the leaders! You had your chance just recently ...

Chris. The US is like the UK, Australia and many other countries. When the choice is between Tweedledum and Tweedle-evendumber, and you know whichever side gets in that nothing really changes. Which one do you vote for ?

In the matter of the "Fiscal Cliff" both parties have shown themselves to be inept, more interested in scoring political points and probably corrupt.

In the Australian constitution there is provision for a Double Dissolution of both houses so that if there is a deadlock between the House of Representatives and the Senate, both houses are dissolved and a new election for both called. Basically this is a call for a vote of confidence from the electorate and to give them a chance to tidy up the mess.

It's a shame there is nothing like this in the US constitution.

T.A.

Change the leaders! You had your chance just recently ...

Chris. The US is like the UK, Australia and many other countries. When the choice is between Tweedledum and Tweedle-evendumber, and you know whichever side gets in that nothing really changes. Which one do you vote for ?

In the matter of the "Fiscal Cliff" both parties have shown themselves to be inept, more interested in scoring political points and probably corrupt.

In the Australian constitution there is provision for a Double Dissolution of both houses so that if there is a deadlock between the House of Representatives and the Senate, both houses are dissolved and a new election for both called. Basically this is a call for a vote of confidence from the electorate and to give them a chance to tidy up the mess.

It's a shame there is nothing like this in the US constitution.

T.A.

Ooooh....I like THAT concept a lot!

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Detroit does not want to do electric cars because to few parts where out, that is the bottom line. The technology for batter's is not there yet but if enough electric cars get built to generate this market some one will fill it.

You still need the power companies to charge the batteries!!!

The payback period for wind, solar, or wave power is still too long with a big upfront cost.

Yes the cliff is here, but what are we going to do about it? My thought is that leadership is needed though politics has failed us here. so what next,

Change the leaders! You had your chance just recently ...

...Just four to five years ago, the technology cost upwards of $30 per watt per module. Now that number is approaching $1 per watt per module...

...Sivaram estimates that getting to 50 cents a watt production costs would bring the industry to about $1 per watt installed...

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#resist

In the UK, Her Majesties Opposition, or even MP's of the ruling party can call at any time for a vote of no confidence in either the Prime Minister, or the government, or both. In the case of the former, the vote is not usually taken, the PM voluntarily steps down with no support. In the latter case, Parliament is dissolved, and a new general election takes place.

The States can impeach a President as was tried with Nixon.

A Double Dissolution works differently to a "vote of no confidence".
Under the Oz constitution. The term for the House of Reps is 3 years, the term for a Senator is 6 years, so every 3 years we vote for the House of Reps and half the Senate (the terms of the senators are staggered).

If the Senate refuses to pass a bill from the Reps twice, the Prime Minister can call for a Double Dissolution. Under these conditions, all the seats in the Reps and the Senate are declared vacant and a general election for both takes place.

Of course this will happen only if the government is sure it will win. In the 112 years since Federation only 6 Double Dissolutions have have been called, despite nearly every government having the entitlement to do so.

T.A.

In the 112 years since Federation only 6 Double Dissolutions have have been called, despite nearly every government having the entitlement to do so.

T.A.

Sounds like your politicians are a little better than the Italians, 60 governments since 1946.

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OK the politicians passed somethings and the markets rose 2% to 3% on the news.

Wait until March over the public sector finance cuts, and see it all winding up again.

I see from the BBC late news, that interviews with all US citizens in the street were fed up with both sets of politicians ...

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It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues

Change the leaders! You had your chance just recently ...

Chris. The US is like the UK, Australia and many other countries. When the choice is between Tweedledum and Tweedle-evendumber, and you know whichever side gets in that nothing really changes. Which one do you vote for ?

In the matter of the "Fiscal Cliff" both parties have shown themselves to be inept, more interested in scoring political points and probably corrupt.

In the Australian constitution there is provision for a Double Dissolution of both houses so that if there is a deadlock between the House of Representatives and the Senate, both houses are dissolved and a new election for both called. Basically this is a call for a vote of confidence from the electorate and to give them a chance to tidy up the mess.

It's a shame there is nothing like this in the US constitution.

T.A.

we can recall them individually I wonder what would happen if we did it all at once?

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we can recall them individually I wonder what would happen if we did it all at once?

Unfortunately, we can't recall them dancer. The feds don't allow for recall, only state and local. Maybe when we set that recall % it should be at say 25% to recall. After all if 1/4 can't stand them, then they aren't being middle of the road enough.

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Stunned:
http://www.voanews.com/content/us-budget-debt-ceiling/1589770.html

Democratic Minority leader Nancy Pelosi called on Democrats to vote against it.

It being an increase in the debt limit.

And I thought is was the Republicans who wouldn't vote for it ...

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Stunned:
http://www.voanews.com/content/us-budget-debt-ceiling/1589770.html

Democratic Minority leader Nancy Pelosi called on Democrats to vote against it.

It being an increase in the debt limit.

And I thought is was the Republicans who wouldn't vote for it ...

did you not read the text of the article.

A number of Democrats called this move a political "gimmick," and some said it is unconstitutional. A number of Democrats complained that extending the debt ceiling by less than four months did little to provide much-needed certainty to the economy.


U.S. debt ceilingxU.S. debt ceiling
​​Democratic Congressman Sander Levin said this: "This Republican bill is not a change in policy, it’s a change in tactics. House Republicans continue to play with economic fire. They’re playing political games with the debt ceiling, and that undermines certainty

The Conservatives are running the typical Gimmics to rig the game. And why do it if the Senate won't even look at it.

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

Stunned:
http://www.voanews.com/content/us-budget-debt-ceiling/1589770.html

Democratic Minority leader Nancy Pelosi called on Democrats to vote against it.

It being an increase in the debt limit.

And I thought is was the Republicans who wouldn't vote for it ...

did you not read the text of the article.

A number of Democrats called this move a political "gimmick," and some said it is unconstitutional. A number of Democrats complained that extending the debt ceiling by less than four months did little to provide much-needed certainty to the economy.


U.S. debt ceilingxU.S. debt ceiling
​​Democratic Congressman Sander Levin said this: "This Republican bill is not a change in policy, it’s a change in tactics. House Republicans continue to play with economic fire. They’re playing political games with the debt ceiling, and that undermines certainty

The Conservatives are running the typical Gimmics to rig the game. And why do it if the Senate won't even look at it.

You should have read it all ...

On the other side of the Capitol, Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid said he plans to introduce a budget in the Senate soon anyway, and said a short-term debt ceiling extension is better than another immediate showdown with Republicans.

I think this is on the fast track in the Senate if the news report I heard on the radio driving in to work is correct.

Yes, that provision on a cut-off may not pass muster, but so what? The rest of the bill raising the limit will.

Maybe it is just a Pelosi thing and not a democrat thing. I could believe that. Pelosi is roundly hated here in California, with protest signs with a slash through her name for hundreds of miles of the freeways, except in her district which she has pork barreled to the max to buy the votes to keep her in office. A true scum-bucket politician.

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Clearly, 80s kids are the target of some commercials these last few years; i.e., ones that were teens then. Perhaps even more so the headbangers? Well, Madison Avenue, you met your match. I may be a headbanger, but I'm pretty darn smart and not falling for your attempts to drive me over my personal fiscal cliff.

Stupidest say:

I'm pretty darn smart and not falling for your attempts to drive me over my personal fiscal cliff.

Buy Buy Buy and Buy Some More. I hear All The Happening PROFs are Doing It.

IGNORE Say: Don't IGNORE The Impulse To BUY BUY BUY, 'cause it Gives Jobs Jobs Jobs to Many Happening Chinese.

p.s. Did I Hear Hustlin' Hussein is Going To UnSequester The Sequester. YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw. Job Me Baby.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

sameo sameo just get another credit card lets fix the budget that way,

with no regard for what happens when it is time to pay it back.

if congress treated their own finances the way their treat the governments

we could put some of them away for fraud.

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we can recall them individually I wonder what would happen if we did it all at once?

Unfortunately, we can't recall them dancer. The feds don't allow for recall, only state and local. Maybe when we set that recall % it should be at say 25% to recall. After all if 1/4 can't stand them, then they aren't being middle of the road enough.

PERHAPS I USED THE WRONG WORDS WE CAN IMPEACH THEM

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