The Fiscal Cliff -- Is it time?

Now, if Republicans think that I will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone — and you hear that sometimes coming from them … then they've got another thing coming.… That's not how it's going to work at least as long as I'm president," he said. "And I'm going to be president for the next four years, I think," he added.

Probably.

Obama's remarks irritated some Republicans.

Not very hard to do.

Now, if Republicans think that I will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone — and you hear that sometimes coming from them … then they've got another thing coming.… That's not how it's going to work at least as long as I'm president," he said. "And I'm going to be president for the next four years, I think," he added.

Probably.

Obama's remarks irritated some Republicans.

Not very hard to do.

They tend to be a bit stupid, not seeing beyond their primary objective of ousting Obama even though he was democratically elected. They are happy to bankrupt the country to achieve this priority.

Short sighted or what ... they should go to Spec Savers ...

maybe it's time for a third party candidate,

please no crazies like Perot to shake things up.
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Hey Es, and John, perhaps we should start a NEW colonisation of the new country. Lets face it, it couldn't be any worse than what they have at the moment!

Hey Es, and John, perhaps we should start a NEW colonisation of the new country. Lets face it, it couldn't be any worse than what they have at the moment!

sorry that was 10,000 dolars a lb..
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Yes the cliff is here, but what are we going to do about it?

My thought is that leadership is needed though politics has failed us here.

so what next, this is the basic question.

Well do what you can no one in authority will do it for you, look around.

If you have land plant a garden If you can afford solar panels put some up.

If wind or water are possible use those too, power under your control is

freedom opec only works because big power does not want to change and not

enough people have opted out yet to scare them.

If you want to have the freedom to use power as you see fit and drive were and

when you want to stop using big power. Fossil full is finit it will run out

even if kyoto meant something.

Detroit does not want to do electric cars because to few parts where out,

that is the bottom line. The technology for batter's is not there yet but if

enough electric cars get built to generate this market some one will fill it.

Big everything has decided you are sheep and they have the shears out.

So do not go there do as much as you can for your self and trade with others

that do the same.
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Detroit does not want to do electric cars because to few parts where out, that is the bottom line. The technology for batter's is not there yet but if enough electric cars get built to generate this market some one will fill it.

Yes the cliff is here, but what are we going to do about it? My thought is that leadership is needed though politics has failed us here. so what next,

Detroit does not want to do electric cars because to few parts where out, that is the bottom line. The technology for batter's is not there yet but if enough electric cars get built to generate this market some one will fill it.

You still need the power companies to charge the batteries!!!

The payback period for wind, solar, or wave power is still too long with a big upfront cost.

Yes the cliff is here, but what are we going to do about it? My thought is that leadership is needed though politics has failed us here. so what next,

Change the leaders! You had your chance just recently ...

Change the leaders! You had your chance just recently ...

Change the leaders! You had your chance just recently ...

Chris. The US is like the UK, Australia and many other countries. When the choice is between Tweedledum and Tweedle-evendumber, and you know whichever side gets in that nothing really changes. Which one do you vote for ?

In the matter of the "Fiscal Cliff" both parties have shown themselves to be inept, more interested in scoring political points and probably corrupt.

In the Australian constitution there is provision for a Double Dissolution of both houses so that if there is a deadlock between the House of Representatives and the Senate, both houses are dissolved and a new election for both called. Basically this is a call for a vote of confidence from the electorate and to give them a chance to tidy up the mess.

It's a shame there is nothing like this in the US constitution.

T.A.

In the UK, Her Majesties Opposition, or even MP's of the ruling party can call at any time for a vote of no confidence in either the Prime Minister, or the government, or both. In the case of the former, the vote is not usually taken, the PM voluntarily steps down with no support. In the latter case, Parliament is dissolved, and a new general election takes place.

The States can impeach a President as was tried with Nixon.

Detroit does not want to do electric cars because to few parts where out, that is the bottom line. The technology for batter's is not there yet but if enough electric cars get built to generate this market some one will fill it.

You still need the power companies to charge the batteries!!!

The payback period for wind, solar, or wave power is still too long with a big upfront cost.

Yes the cliff is here, but what are we going to do about it? My thought is that leadership is needed though politics has failed us here. so what next,

Change the leaders! You had your chance just recently ...

...Just four to five years ago, the technology cost upwards of $30 per watt per module. Now that number is approaching $1 per watt per module...

...Sivaram estimates that getting to 50 cents a watt production costs would bring the industry to about $1 per watt installed...

In the UK, Her Majesties Opposition, or even MP's of the ruling party can call at any time for a vote of no confidence in either the Prime Minister, or the government, or both. In the case of the former, the vote is not usually taken, the PM voluntarily steps down with no support. In the latter case, Parliament is dissolved, and a new general election takes place.

The States can impeach a President as was tried with Nixon.

In the 112 years since Federation only 6 Double Dissolutions have have been called, despite nearly every government having the entitlement to do so.

T.A.

Hi Ta, interesting post with useful information.

In the United Kingdom, there have been a total of 11 prime ministers defeated through a no-confidence motion. There has been only one (against James Callaghan) since 1925. The cases in which a motion of no confidence has passed are generally those in which the government party has a slim majority which is eliminated by either by-elections or defections, such as the 1979 vote of no confidence in the Callaghan government of the UK which was carried by one vote, forcing a UK General Election and the election of Margaret Thatcher's government.

Sounds like your politicians are a little better than the Italians, 60 governments since 1946.

OK the politicians passed somethings and the markets rose 2% to 3% on the news.

Wait until March over the public sector finance cuts, and see it all winding up again.

I see from the BBC late news, that interviews with all US citizens in the street were fed up with both sets of politicians ...
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It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues

Change the leaders! You had your chance just recently ...

Chris. The US is like the UK, Australia and many other countries. When the choice is between Tweedledum and Tweedle-evendumber, and you know whichever side gets in that nothing really changes. Which one do you vote for ?

In the matter of the "Fiscal Cliff" both parties have shown themselves to be inept, more interested in scoring political points and probably corrupt.

In the Australian constitution there is provision for a Double Dissolution of both houses so that if there is a deadlock between the House of Representatives and the Senate, both houses are dissolved and a new election for both called. Basically this is a call for a vote of confidence from the electorate and to give them a chance to tidy up the mess.

It's a shame there is nothing like this in the US constitution.

T.A.

we can recall them individually I wonder what would happen if we did it all at once?

Stunned:
http://www.voanews.com/content/us-budget-debt-ceiling/1589770.html

Democratic Minority leader Nancy Pelosi called on Democrats to vote against it.