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Message 1319808 - Posted: 25 Dec 2012, 5:52:37 UTC - in response to Message 1319799.
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Question TA, how easy is it to emigrate to Australia?

Not sure. I was born here, you'll have to contact the Australian embassy. :)

BTW. That minimum rate is mainly for unskilled labour (process workers, catering staff etc.). If you have a "skill", i.e. if you have a trade, are technical, medical, an engineer or even have heavy plant tickets you can do much better than that.

While researching this, I found out that even our service personnel are better paid than their US counterparts by $5k to $10k PA for equivalent NCO rank.

Edit: Thanks to Winterknight for posting that link

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Message 1319826 - Posted: 25 Dec 2012, 8:11:45 UTC

Could the name be the reason they didn't call the last vote. http://www.planbonestep.com/

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Message 1319928 - Posted: 25 Dec 2012, 18:29:27 UTC - in response to Message 1319799.
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Just thought I'd throw this into the mix.

In Australia, the national minimum adult wage is $15.96/hour. Out of this a full time wage earner will pay 19% income tax. Additional to this is a 1.5% Medicare levy. There are no separate state tax deductions. The top income tax rate is 45% which kicks in at $180,000 PA

Funnily enough, businesses are still profitable (they must be, US companies are buying them up like ice cream on a hot day) and we have one of the best economies in the western world. Unemployment is just over 5%.

So over here even minimum wage earners pay tax and are not living hand to mouth. Therefore, welfare is not such a drain on government finances.

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For those of you challenged AU$15.96 is US$16.54/hour.

Question TA, how easy is it to emigrate to Australia?

If we set that rate would the USA be overrun with immigrants? How many jobs would be sent offshore?


Gary, I was going to ask him the same thing. Are you guys accepting Americans?? :-)

(I worked many many years at my job before I made that much money.)

Edit: My specific trade is in fact on the list posted by WK. Judging by the wife's look when I joked about it, I don't think it would ever happen. :-D
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Message 1319929 - Posted: 25 Dec 2012, 18:31:11 UTC - in response to Message 1319808.

Question TA, how easy is it to emigrate to Australia?

Not sure. I was born here, you'll have to contact the Australian embassy. :)

BTW. That minimum rate is mainly for unskilled labour (process workers, catering staff etc.). If you have a "skill", i.e. if you have a trade, are technical, medical, an engineer or even have heavy plant tickets you can do much better than that.

While researching this, I found out that even our service personnel are better paid than their US counterparts by $5k to $10k PA for equivalent NCO rank.

Edit: Thanks to Winterknight for posting that link

T.A.

So.... Where is the right's input on this???

Should we keep the WalMart philosophy going?

Here's proof that higher wages could help.
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Message 1319946 - Posted: 25 Dec 2012, 19:20:16 UTC - in response to Message 1319928.
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......Are you guys accepting Americans?? :-)

Yes, we take Americans. There is a skills shortage over here and you do speak English (sorta, kinda) :)

My wife is American and we came to the agreement that as long as she pronounced Aluminium (Al-yu-min-ee-um) and place names correctly that would suffice. :D

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Message 1319954 - Posted: 25 Dec 2012, 20:08:29 UTC - in response to Message 1319946.

......Are you guys accepting Americans?? :-)

Yes, we take Americans. There is a skills shortage over here and you do speak English (sorta, kinda) :)

My wife is American and we came to the agreement that as long as she pronounced Aluminium (Al-yu-min-ee-um) and place names correctly that would suffice. :D

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May I say "Foster's"?

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Message 1320012 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 1:23:48 UTC - in response to Message 1319954.

Very difficult to work in Australia. Work permits very scarce

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Message 1320014 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 1:29:27 UTC

Inflated cost for a beer too.

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Message 1320098 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 10:48:24 UTC

preamble to the Constitution


"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

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congressional oath of office

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."

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This seems to say to me that congress in order to fulfill it's oath would have to fight congress?



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Message 1320186 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 21:47:28 UTC - in response to Message 1320098.

preamble to the Constitution


"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

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This seems to say to me that congress in order to fulfill it's oath would have to fight congress?




You would have to find someone who understood the Constitution, first.

Then you would have to find someone who understood the oath they took, second.

You would think out of the 500 + that are there one would show up. LOL! Not even out of the tea party do we have one.

Message 1320191 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 21:57:03 UTC
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Message 1320233 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 23:31:44 UTC
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Is this the real reason that "the people" are feeling that their income - expenditure figures are out of balance



So the question is "If your income had gone up in line with the true rate of inflation, could you afford to pay a few more percentage points in taxes?"

N.B. CPI - is a governments way of calculating inflation, which a lot of employers etc. use to calcuate wage and benefit increases.

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Message 1320245 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 23:53:02 UTC - in response to Message 1319946.

You mean you didn't compel her to 'insert a 'u' here in words like labor? <smile>




......Are you guys accepting Americans?? :-)

Yes, we take Americans. There is a skills shortage over here and you do speak English (sorta, kinda) :)

My wife is American and we came to the agreement that as long as she pronounced Aluminium (Al-yu-min-ee-um) and place names correctly that would suffice. :D

T.A.

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Message 1320286 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 1:49:28 UTC

Maybe the US needs to follow the German model to reduce medicare costs.
Germany 'exporting' old and sick to foreign care homes

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Message 1320555 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 22:04:52 UTC - in response to Message 1319416.

You're just being dishonest, not clever.

Oh yes, great idea, I should have thought of that.
If George Walker Bush lowered the rates then why doesn't Barack Hussein Obama II simply raise the rates? After all if the President can lower rates, then he can raise them.

Because as we all know, the political cost of lowering taxes (however foolish) is always exactly the same as raising taxes (however prudent).

Not sure if you intended irony or not.

It's always much easier politically to lower taxes (even if they don't need to be lowered) than to raise them (even if they badly need to be raised, as they do now).

I've let this fester for a while. I restated what you said, Bush set rates, and even pointed out plainly the president setting rates. You missed that twice.

No, I just refused to feed you, troll. As everybody with a basic understanding of U.S. government knows, it is the responsibility of Congress to "levy" taxes. However, the President's "bully pulpit" allows significant input to the process and therefore, to setting tax rates. You have willfully misconstrued my words to pretend that I have implied that Presidents set tax rates solo.

I said no such thing, and you know it.

I take for granted that people debating public policy are intelligent and well-informed enough that referring to "the Bush tax cuts" will not cause people to believe that Presidents set taxes alone. Everybody knows Bush initiated those tax cuts, despite the fact that they could not have taken effect without Congress. And everybody knows that it's "always much easier politically to lower taxes (even if they don't need to be lowered) than to raise them (even if they badly need to be raised, as they do now)."

So now it has come time to flat out ask you, why is Obama talking to Boehner if the President sets rates?

Because the President doesn't. Are the rest of your observations as astute? You exemplify the average conservative voter's dishonesty.
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Message 1320571 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 23:03:13 UTC - in response to Message 1320555.

I take for granted that people debating public policy are intelligent and well-informed enough that referring to "the Bush tax cuts" will not cause people to believe that Presidents set taxes alone.

I don't. It is obvious the press doesn't and plays that up. So do the politicians when they address the voter. If you don't see that ...

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Message 1321092 - Posted: 29 Dec 2012, 2:24:34 UTC

Bad move?

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Message 1321108 - Posted: 29 Dec 2012, 3:48:48 UTC - in response to Message 1321092.

Bad move?

He's got new tax revenue coming, it burns a hole in his pocket, same as when the credit card company raises your limit. Well, you may be responsible, unlike much of America that is in debt above the head.

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