The Fiscal Cliff -- Is it time?

yea well they are lying to you over half and maybe as much as 2 thirds of the budget congress does not vote on the funds they are already appropriated because congress vues them as third rail votes and want to keep their seats.so they are vary limited on what they can cut and it won't be enough. and while taxing the rich sounds good and probably should be done the middle class pays the bulk of the tax's. so if they substantially raise tax's on the middle class they have not shown the ability to refrain from sending the new money and paying the bills, that is why alot of people are scared.

On the other hand, since he's not worried about campagning for his next re-election (or is he?)

I think your 22nd Amendent will come into play here.

I believe everybody knows what's coming.

San Franscisco just demonstrated a little bit of right-wing extremism by outlawing public nudity except at government approved events.

San Franscisco just demonstrated a little bit of right-wing extremism by outlawing public nudity except at government approved events.

Guy, why do you believe that a Democratic Board of Supervisors, with a Democratic Mayor, in a state with a Democratic legislature, would behave in a way that is consistent with your description of "right-wing extremism"?

No one should dictate to another how to live their life. Tolerance is a requirement.

Anything else is considered right-wing extremism.

San Franscisco just demonstrated a little bit of right-wing extremism by outlawing public nudity except at government approved events.

Guy, why do you believe that a Democratic Board of Supervisors, with a Democratic Mayor, in a state with a Democratic legislature, would behave in a way that is consistent with your description of "right-wing extremism"?

Crossposted from another thread:

No one should dictate to another how to live their life. Tolerance is a requirement.

Anything else is considered right-wing extremism.

San Franscisco just demonstrated a little bit of right-wing extremism by outlawing public nudity except at government approved events.

Guy, why do you believe that a Democratic Board of Supervisors, with a Democratic Mayor, in a state with a Democratic legislature, would behave in a way that is consistent with your description of "right-wing extremism"?

Crossposted from another thread:

No one should dictate to another how to live their life. Tolerance is a requirement.

Anything else is considered right-wing extremism.

Considered by whom?

San Franscisco just demonstrated a little bit of right-wing extremism by outlawing public nudity except at government approved events.

Guy, why do you believe that a Democratic Board of Supervisors, with a Democratic Mayor, in a state with a Democratic legislature, would behave in a way that is consistent with your description of "right-wing extremism"?

Crossposted from another thread:

No one should dictate to another how to live their life. Tolerance is a requirement.

Anything else is considered right-wing extremism.

Considered by whom?

(Guy, don't hate me because I can grow this much hair in my mid-40s.)

(Guy, don't hate me because I can grow this much hair in my mid-40s.)

I don't hate you. I question your inconsistency over the months through.

And I have a full head of hair also. It's just turning white as I cross over into the second half of my century of life.

You perceive inconsistencies where none exist.
I have stated all along that I am independent.

You're not inconsistent to me at all...you say you're an independent but you have a very clear conservative slant (not that that is a bad thing).

San Franscisco just demonstrated a little bit of right-wing extremism by outlawing public nudity except at government approved events.

Guy, why do you believe that a Democratic Board of Supervisors, with a Democratic Mayor, in a state with a Democratic legislature, would behave in a way that is consistent with your description of "right-wing extremism"?

Crossposted from another thread:

No one should dictate to another how to live their life. Tolerance is a requirement.

Anything else is considered right-wing extremism.

Considered by whom?

Contemporary modern day liberalism.

It does answer the question, except you are falling into your normal habit of picking apart words that mean certain things to you but fail to realize they may mean other things to other people. Most people I know read for context, not for narrow rules defined by the small group of people in their short lives. They realize that education has not been perfectly standardized across different counties, states and countries.

You know, when you do that, you are demonstrating a certain amount of intolerance, which is unacceptable by modern day contemporary liberals.

But to further clarify what I said earlier:

Apparently wagging one's pierced phrenum in the streets of San Francisco is currently stepping over the current contemporary line when it comes to freedom and rights to live one's life as they please, so the SF Mayor and the SF Board are getting a little bit of pressure from their constituents to put a stop to it. This is inhibiting rights and freedoms. According to modern contemporary liberalism (or liberals, if you prefer so as to put it ON someone), this is considered right-wing extremism. When ever someone tries to tell someone else how to live their lives, it's right-wing extremism.

Simple as that.

It does answer the question, except you are falling into your normal habit of picking apart words that mean certain things to you but fail to realize they may mean other things to other people. Most people I know read for context, not for narrow rules defined by the small group of people in their short lives. They realize that education has not been perfectly standardized across different counties, states and countries.

You know, when you do that, you are demonstrating a certain amount of intolerance, which is unacceptable by modern day contemporary liberals.

But to further clarify what I said earlier:

Apparently wagging one's pierced phrenum in the streets of San Francisco is currently stepping over the current contemporary line when it comes to freedom and rights to live one's life as they please, so the SF Mayor and the SF Board are getting a little bit of pressure from their constituents to put a stop to it. This is inhibiting rights and freedoms. According to modern contemporary liberalism (or liberals, if you prefer so as to put it ON someone), this is considered right-wing extremism. When ever someone tries to tell someone else how to live their lives, it's right-wing extremism.

Simple as that.

bobby, it appears you don't watch any network news. Or is it only Fox News you watch?

bobby, it appears you don't watch any network news. Or is it only Fox News you watch?

Extreme Right-Wing: groups that believe that one’s personal and/or national “way of life” is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group), and believe in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism. Groups may also be fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority, reverent of individual liberty, and believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty.

The best way out of the deficit hole is to grow our way out through private sector economic growth. The main engine of economic growth is small business. After all, small business accounts for about 60% of the private sector jobs. Someone needs to sit down and educate President Obama on this.

His much touted figure of $250,000.00 / year for phase in of tax hikes is somewhat too low. If that figure of $250k stands, it will eviscerate small business.

In the past, I have suggested across the board spending cuts of x%. This would avoid a lot of debates and arguing about various sacred cow programs, and likely be easier to get passed. Then let each social program decide whether to reduce benefit size, tighten eligibility, or some combination of both. If we exempt some programs from cuts that will require even more massive cuts in others, maybe even eliminating them altogether. And remember, the programs you would wish to be cut deeply or eliminated to save your sacred cow program will be someone else's sacred cow.