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Message 1307326 - Posted: 18 Nov 2012, 10:08:06 UTC

Chris-there's the problem--you won't get enough input. The lab staff simply won't have the time to give you what you want and people like Richard can only give so much info.

Sadly you are right Blurf, but I'll leave the offer on the table. If at some time in the future a regular source of worthwhile info does become available, it can be re-visited.

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Message 1307350 - Posted: 18 Nov 2012, 13:15:01 UTC

Sadly, these last two days, my PC has got no work at all from S@H. It has done a ton of work folding proteins and putting them away in the POEM draw, but SETI seems to be under the impression I don't want work.

I read my last few requests in the log and was surprised I don't appear to be asking for work. So I tried suspending, then resumin work, but still it seems I am not wanting work!

18/11/2012 13:01:06 | SETI@home | work fetch suspended by user
18/11/2012 13:01:09 | SETI@home | work fetch resumed by user
18/11/2012 13:05:40 | SETI@home | update requested by user
18/11/2012 13:05:45 | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
18/11/2012 13:05:45 | SETI@home | Not reporting or requesting tasks
18/11/2012 13:06:09 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed

What has gone wrong? Anyone know?

I don't think I'm wasting my time. The proteins needed folding anyway, but I have it set so it should only get a quarter of the work SETI does.

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Message 1307368 - Posted: 18 Nov 2012, 14:25:17 UTC
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The only "band-aid" solution for this days if try a Proxy+TCP optimizer, if works you will get your work (limited 100WU per GPU/CPU but is better than nothing), if no... you will stay with the proteins for a while.

The only other thing we could do is pray for a quick return of Matt to the lab...
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Message 1307409 - Posted: 18 Nov 2012, 15:50:16 UTC

I think we all have to realize here that the collective performance capabilities of the computers attached to this project has exponentially increased while manpower and resources at SETI have been kept about the same. We went through a long outage and with difficulty getting tasks not to long ago historically speaking, and at this point it is just another hiccup. I have been with this project over 13 years now, and have no plans to abandon it because of my machines not getting enough WU's to crunch.

Just leave your machines alone, it's not about the credits, it's about the science. Someone somewhere is crunching a WU that may or may not hold that elusive signal from ET, I will continue to support the science and offer my computers in search of that elusive signal.

For now, I just attach my GPU to Einstein and keep it busy until more SETI WU's take its place.

Have a great day.
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Message 1307587 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 1:50:25 UTC - in response to Message 1306482.

Just a reminder.
We are volunteers.
We are here to help the project not vice versa.
Not that i wouldn`t like it would work smooth also.

With lack of man power its all about priorities.
We just need a millionaire donating.
See my pledge drive.


Mike, I have to disagree with you. This project would NOT be here without the volunteers, that is the whole premise of this project. We are the employees who do not get paid (actually, we pay to be employed (computer equipment, upgrades, electricity, etc)). This is not a town with a fire dept and a volunteer fire department that would still continue to function if the volunteers all quit. If all the volunteers of seti quit the project would fall flat on its face. When a whole entire project relies 100% on its volunteers you would hope the 'project' would bend over backwards to make sure they are happy. I am not saying Seti has not, I am not a very active member posting/reading. I just download the program, check for updates, and let it run its magic on my machines. I can not imagine the amount of work a project like this would encompass but I am glad to lend my computers time. Just remember, even though we are 'volunteers', we are a LOT MORE than just 'volunteers', we are 'the project'.!
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Message 1307627 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 6:12:10 UTC - in response to Message 1307587.

Do let me know when you have all the volunteers lined
up and the date and time they're going to quit.
I'd like to watch.

I think you're chances of that occurring are greater than zero,
but not by much. Think lots of decimal places.

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Message 1307663 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 8:16:53 UTC

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=70080&postid=1307567

"We've just crossed a threshold where each host computes fast enough that host queues and the result table have become large enough to cause this problem."

"For a more permanent fix, we plan do more work in each result by quadrupling the size of the workunits. But that fix will probably take months to implement and test. "

I said that the workunits were too small - all the recent shorties have pushed it over the edge.
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Message 1307702 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 12:40:06 UTC - in response to Message 1307627.

Do let me know when you have all the volunteers lined
up and the date and time they're going to quit.
I'd like to watch.

I think you're chances of that occurring are greater than zero,
but not by much. Think lots of decimal places.


Missing the point much? Not saying that will ever happen, we all know it will not. The point being there would be no project without us. Sure, if things ever got bad enough I'm sure a significant amount of people might move on, but it would have to get pretty bad I imagine for the die-hards to quit.
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Message 1307882 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 21:23:05 UTC - in response to Message 1307702.

Do let me know when you have all the volunteers lined
up and the date and time they're going to quit.
I'd like to watch.

I think you're chances of that occurring are greater than zero,
but not by much. Think lots of decimal places.

Missing the point much? Not saying that will ever happen, we all know it will not. The point being there would be no project without us. Sure, if things ever got bad enough I'm sure a significant amount of people might move on, but it would have to get pretty bad I imagine for the die-hards to quit.

It's a client-server project, so both ends are important. I prefer to think of both ends being dedicated to the search for e.t. so it's all parts of the project against the difficulties in detecting technology at astronomical distances.

Some very rough calculations suggest that a reasonable balance might be cash donations to support the server end around 2 percent of the client elecricity costs. IOW, if external participants turned off crunching for one week in each year and donated money equal to the reduced electricity cost of that week, the basic imbalance might be fixed.
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Message 1308016 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 5:41:42 UTC

Lost work credits,

I have been with Seti @ home for 12 years, do not have fancy computers and over the years have reached an avereage daily credit of 3800 for 4 years straight. Since August, there have been many upload problems. Have others noticed that credit for just acknowledged work units completed verses actually statted by Seti
has dramically dropped? As of 11/19/2012 my daily average is 1400.
I know for fact that I had 162 units completed in the morning and that included 12 Astropules when I checked in in the afternnon updates had completed and was acknowlegded for completing 22. I had 2 further completed units at this time, more astropulses, selected update, units were sent and no acknowelgement of receipt. Seti seems to have their own black hole for which no evalution of work completed or respect done by volenteers.I have just purchased a new computer with lots of goodies and shall not allocate their resources to Seti.
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Message 1308066 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 11:05:53 UTC - in response to Message 1308016.
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Lost work credits,

I have been with Seti @ home for 12 years, do not have fancy computers and over the years have reached an avereage daily credit of 3800 for 4 years straight. Since August, there have been many upload problems. Have others noticed that credit for just acknowledged work units completed verses actually statted by Seti
has dramically dropped? As of 11/19/2012 my daily average is 1400.
I know for fact that I had 162 units completed in the morning and that included 12 Astropules when I checked in in the afternnon updates had completed and was acknowlegded for completing 22. I had 2 further completed units at this time, more astropulses, selected update, units were sent and no acknowelgement of receipt. Seti seems to have their own black hole for which no evalution of work completed or respect done by volenteers.I have just purchased a new computer with lots of goodies and shall not allocate their resources to Seti.

One of your hosts has no work at all, even completed tasks, check whether No New Tasks has been set,

All tasks for computer 1722399

The other host is running the Buggy Nvidia 296.19 drivers with the sleeping Monitor Bug, so instead of computing on the Cuda device, it falls back to an emulated Cuda device that can't be used, then computes on the CPU instead, Very Very Slowly,
that's why your RAC is lower, upgrade to 301.xx or later drivers, or 290.xx or earlier drivers:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2710188025

setiathome_CUDA: device 1 is emulation device and should not be used, supports 9999.9999
setiathome_CUDA: CUDA Device 1 specified, checking...
Device cannot be used
SETI@home NOT using CUDA, falling back on host CPU processing
setiathome_enhanced 6.09 Visual Studio/Microsoft C++


NVidia driver problems which cause computation errors

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Message 1309447 - Posted: 23 Nov 2012, 20:41:40 UTC - in response to Message 1306532.

So, funding has been cut. It has always been apparent, dispite all the volunteers, that Berkeley has never really backed this effort. What a shame.

Berkeley is the landlord! All the funding has to come from private donations, like the Planetary Society, YOU or if they get lucky NSF grants. As government funding has dried up and with the economy in the gutter so has private donations. However YOU could make a difference. Maybe turn a rig off and take the electricity money saved and send it as cash so they can keep your other rigs fed. Think about it.



I'd be all for this, but we don't have a clue where the cash is going.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_budget.php
And if that doesn't make you happy, since SETI@Home is a IRS 501(c)3 their tax return is a public document. If you can't find it online at say Guidestar, order a copy from the IRS.

Additional followup:
http://regents.universityofcalifornia.edu/regmeet/may11/a4attach1.pdf
There are over 100 pages of detail on grants.
I haven't found the 2011 online, but that is my bad search skills I'm sure.

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Message 1309609 - Posted: 24 Nov 2012, 5:31:59 UTC - in response to Message 1306450.

I started in the pioneer year of 1999, and I am starting to question this effort.

The problem, as I see it, is not the present problem(s), but LACK of communication from the people running this. THERE IS NONE!!!

I hear "Matt is on vacation" and we have to await his return to fix whatever the problem is! This project is over 13 years old, employing thousands of volunteers, utilizing many thousands of computers, large electrical usage, accepting our donations, and it depends on one person? Berkeley should be ashamed.

I am beginning to smell a scam. If it is not, perhaps we should think of this effort as nothing more than a glorified High School Project.

I hope my many years of effort, not to mention money, have not gone to waste.


What you give away for free is only a waste if you think it is. Nobody else but you is allowed to decide this for you.

So DECIDE

If it's not worth it to you to support this project, despite it's warts, uninstall BOINC or adopt a different program.

If it is worth it to you to support this project, stop complaining about warts and understand that this program is not fully funded by any stretch of the imagination.

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Message 1309610 - Posted: 24 Nov 2012, 5:32:52 UTC
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OK – I started this Thread out of frustration and have the following observations:

This is a voluntary effort that seems to have little support from Berkeley. SO WHAT!!!

This effort started almost 13 years ago, with 150,000 past and present volunteers giving their time and effort in this attempt. What other Project can say this?

Kudos to the people in the Lab. They also, without sufficient support from Berkeley, given their time and effort, even during Thanksgiving. Thank you Eric and the others.

One last and I think most important observation. Look at the posts in this and other Threads. You will see many, many, many persons grumbling, who have large credits, and no Green Star next to their names. They have never given a penny to maintain or expand the effort in the lab! Look deeper and you will see that many of these people have spent large amounts of money on their computer(s). We are now seeing the result of the vast increase in the power of our (Volunteer) computers without the same happening in the Lab. To all those without a ‘Green Star’ give a few dollars, it won’t hurt.
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Message 1309650 - Posted: 24 Nov 2012, 9:06:04 UTC

One last and I think most important observation. Look at the posts in this and other Threads. You will see many, many, many persons grumbling, who have large credits, and no Green Star next to their names. They have never given a penny to maintain or expand the effort in the lab! Look deeper and you will see that many of these people have spent large amounts of money on their computer(s). We are now seeing the result of the vast increase in the power of our (Volunteer) computers without the same happening in the Lab. To all those without a ‘Green Star’ give a few dollars, it won’t hurt.


Donating can be done anonymously and therefore no "Green Star" also they only last for 12 months so someone who has donated for say 10 years may not have this year.

While it would be nice to see more people donate please do not pick on people with no Green Star. Even if they have large credits.
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Message 1309681 - Posted: 24 Nov 2012, 10:17:13 UTC - in response to Message 1309650.

One last and I think most important observation. Look at the posts in this and other Threads. You will see many, many, many persons grumbling, who have large credits, and no Green Star next to their names. They have never given a penny to maintain or expand the effort in the lab! Look deeper and you will see that many of these people have spent large amounts of money on their computer(s). We are now seeing the result of the vast increase in the power of our (Volunteer) computers without the same happening in the Lab. To all those without a ‘Green Star’ give a few dollars, it won’t hurt.


Donating can be done anonymously and therefore no "Green Star" also they only last for 12 months so someone who has donated for say 10 years may not have this year.

While it would be nice to see more people donate please do not pick on people with no Green Star. Even if they have large credits.


no one is picking on anyone,having said that those that have huge numbers but have never donated think of it this way, in order to run seti on your computers you have to also pay for the electric bill for the computer to run, donation to help improve the server side is simply another necessary expense if you want to get the most out of your computer investment by limiting down time.
no one will show up at your door to collect but it would be appreciated.

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Message 1309684 - Posted: 24 Nov 2012, 10:19:11 UTC - in response to Message 1309678.

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Message 1309691 - Posted: 24 Nov 2012, 10:42:51 UTC
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Bare in mind boinc and the programs not using boinc doing volunteer science would likely not be here if seti had not led the way in January of 1999. So at the vary least seti should get sum credit for anything coming out volunteer computing.
As to other credit Arecibo's lack of ability to be pointed made the search for an L.G.M. signal pretty much a shoot in the dark but we believed and so it started now with green bank coming online for seti early next year we will be piggybacking signal from a project that is targeting planetary systems with planet's in the Goldilocks zone and for the first time locking on to targets long enough to do scanning multi frequency searches. making the chances of finding a signal thousand's to million's of times more likely so wasting my time not likely.
And the story is just starting so stay tuned!
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Message 1309693 - Posted: 24 Nov 2012, 10:44:49 UTC - in response to Message 1309691.

oopps that was just.
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Message 1309713 - Posted: 24 Nov 2012, 11:20:55 UTC - in response to Message 1309693.

oopps that was just.

You can edit your posts until one hour after you made the post. Unlimited time for when you're a moderator or administrator,

Just use the Edit button that you find on top of your post. No need to go add another post with spelling and grammar corrections.
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