WASTING MY TIME?

is it really only about money ?

The guys who work in the lab are professionals who are being paid to do a job. They may love their jobs, but they have to pay their bills just like anyone else.

If there are competing needs for their time (programming the newest application for us and...server maintenance and network optimization, as a completely fictitious example) and there is budget for one thing and no budget for the other, it necessarily has to become about money. The guys have to be able to eat.

As I recall they work on several different things in the lab. SETI@Home is only a fraction of what they do.

There are several SETI projects housed at UC Berkeley. Designate SETI@Home and it goes to this project only.

If you say-so.

Who would you believe? The Regents of the University of California? IRS?

I think you have missed my point, entirely.

I AM ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT EVERY DOLLAR YOU GIVE TO SETI@HOME GOES TO THE PROJECT: SETI@HOME. GARY IS RIGHT. I'M WRONG. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

I've explained what I meant a little better in a PM to you. Not everything needs to be aired in detail in public.

All that we need to agree on here, in order to agree here, is that we cannot stipulate that our $10 donation goes to pay Matt.

Seti@Home regularly gets these threads questioning the validity of the project. This is usually after an extended period of problems with uploads/downloads. This is nothing new, and will no doubt continue in the future.

I and my team have been around in a few days time, for 12 years, and clocked up over 20 million credits for Seti and 28,051 hours for Seti Classic. I believe in this project and what it is trying to do. I am happy that any money that I donate to this project, $675 so far if you want to know, is being properly spent.

I also know that the lads at the lab have the ability to login remotely and re-boot servers during evenings and weekends. That is in their personal time off when they are not being paid, yet they still monitor the kit and act when they can. They don't have to do that, but they choose to. I don't have to support Seti@home but I choose to.

The Seti@home team also carries out other research e.g. Erics Hydrogen survey. This is their budget for the last year. 2011 budget It costs a lot to run this project, and as Eric says,

Anyone know any multi-million dollar superPAC contributors?

Seti@Home regularly gets these threads questioning the validity of the project. This is usually after an extended period of problems with uploads/downloads. This is nothing new, and will no doubt continue in the future.

I and my team have been around in a few days time, for 12 years, and clocked up over 20 million credits for Seti and 28,051 hours for Seti Classic. I believe in this project and what it is trying to do. I am happy that any money that I donate to this project, $675 so far if you want to know, is being properly spent.

I also know that the lads at the lab have the ability to login remotely and re-boot servers during evenings and weekends. That is in their personal time off when they are not being paid, yet they still monitor the kit and act when they can. They don't have to do that, but they choose to. I don't have to support Seti@home but I choose to.

The Seti@home team also carries out other research e.g. Erics Hydrogen survey. This is their budget for the last year. 2011 budget It costs a lot to run this project, and as Eric says,

Anyone know any multi-million dollar superPAC contributors?

Of course we would all like more communication from the project but we have to be realistic. Matt did it mainly because the others didn't have time to. And to be fair the others probably wouldn't be as good at it as he was.

OK, bottom line is I'm not going anywhere, I'm in this for the long term. It honestly doesn't bother me that we don't get regular updates every 5 minutes on each and every blip. Look at some of the other Boinc projects where the Admins don't say anything for months on end! It would just be so nice to see some more positive thoughts around here. If Seti is not for you, then bon voyage, we wish you well.

It seems a lot of people are mad because their computer isn't getting work. Is that a thing to get mad over?

Was anyone promised work 24/7/365? No.
Was anyone promised as much work as you can crunch? No.
Was anyone promised 24/7 uptime? No.
Was anyone asked to build a crunch box? No.
Was everyone told to join other projects? Yes.
Was everyone told only spare CPU time. Yes.
Way anyone promised a high RAC. No.
Was everyone told the point is to find ET. Yes.
Was everyone told the project is fault tolerant. Yes.
Was everyone told the software might hiccup. Yes.

What are you mad at again?

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I take your point Gary, us long term hard liners are Ok, but there are those that want the "feelgood factor" which Matt managed to give them.

I think that maybe a fortnightly "Seti Newsletter" bringing together the latest news, could be a useful idea that would give many people an update on what is happening with the project. And hopefully make them feel that they haven't been forgotten. But it would need regular input from people like Richard Haselgrove etc, the Lab guys, and the GPU User group on donations raised and kit bought etc. Could that input be regularly guaranteed??

I'd be willing to volunteer to produce such a Newsletter, provided I got enough regular input to make it worthwhile.

Was everyone told the point is to find ET. Yes.

Well... I started this thread out of frustration, and most of the comments have re-enforced my main frustration.

We are just talking to ourselves. Where is the response and communication from Berkeley?

It would only take a few seconds to post what the problems are, and possible time frame for a fix. Would it really matter if it would take days, or weeks to fix, if we - The Volunteers - were given this information?

There is no understandable reason to keep us in the dark.

Well... I started this thread out of frustration, and most of the comments have re-enforced my main frustration.

We are just talking to ourselves. Where is the response and communication from Berkeley?

It would only take a few seconds to post what the problems are, and possible time frame for a fix. Would it really matter if it would take days, or weeks to fix, if we - The Volunteers - were given this information?

There is no understandable reason to keep us in the dark.

You are of course making two assumptions;

1 - They are aware there is a problem.

2 - There is actually someone in the lab.

You are of course making two assumptions;

1 - They are aware there is a problem.

2 - There is actually someone in the lab.

3 - They understand the root cause of the problem, and have an idea how to fix it.

(other than by throwing several tens of K$ at it, which they don't have)

Saw it, replying.

Was everyone told the point is to find ET. Yes.

Using exactly your words...

If the focus is FIND ET, then why try to keep AP-Splitting working and making all this wierd situation worst if is crystal clear the actual configuration can´t handle both project running all full capacity?