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Message 1306414 - Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 12:28:00 UTC

Win7 says I have a single Important update this morning and in taking a look I see:

nVidia - Graphics Adapter WDDM1.1, Graphics Adapter WDDM1.2, Other hardware - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570

Download size: 226.0 MB

You may need to restart your computer for this update to take effect.

Update type: Important

nVidia Graphics Adapter WDDM1.1, Graphics Adapter WDDM1.2, Other hardware software update released in October, 2012

More information:
http://sysdev.microsoft.com/support/default.aspx

Help and Support:
http://support.microsoft.com/select/?target=hub


Not sure which version they are pushing, but all things considered I think I'd rather stay with my current 301.42 drivers.
Anyone with the Important updates set to auto install will have a (possibly) new driver...
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Message 1306424 - Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 13:13:19 UTC

Windows Update installed this on my pc as part of a number of important updates. Since driver updates are usually optional I closed Boinc, let the update run, and restarted. After the restart, I still have the nVidia 306.97 driver so nothing changed and Boinc runs fine.


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Message 1306425 - Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 13:14:34 UTC - in response to Message 1306414.
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The background for some of the changes after 301 series relate to some earlier MS critical security updates back in June/July. In that particular context the term 'security' relates to reliability concerns tied to synchronisation, and ongoing moves to 'polish' WDDM so that multiple applications share the device better. Those June/July updates plugged some font/texture cache synchronisation issues, and more recent drivers are mostly the corresponding driver level changes and some other minor fixes.

While in a lot of cases 'don't fix what ain't broken' is a reasonable basis to work from, WDDM is still in an ongoing process of refinement. Under those circumstances I advise for newer nVidia cards & OSes, that for the time being following with latest WHQL releases is preferable. In effect, if those preceeding critical updates were applied between several months ago & now, and older drivers are used, something IS 'broken' by way of a technology mismatch (sometimes evidenced by games in particular).

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Message 1306461 - Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 16:59:39 UTC

Last time I allowed Windoze to update my video driver it messed everything up so well it took a few days to sort out the problems.
Guess what? - I don't trust Windoze hardware updates any longer
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Message 1306465 - Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 17:08:08 UTC - in response to Message 1306461.

Never never ever never ever ever allow windows to "update" any driver. For one, they don't uninstall drivers. the new drivers are just slapped over the top of the old ones. As we already know on this forums that is a big nono
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Message 1306476 - Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 17:39:52 UTC

That ****ing windoze system wrecker is more persistent than a virus - it will not die, and keeps offering me the update I've reject all too often today.

Stand by for a load of wrecked results in the next few days, along folks moaning about PCs that aren't working properly.
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Message 1306485 - Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 18:02:38 UTC - in response to Message 1306476.

Rob, I specifically selected to 'hide' the nVida update offered by M$. It hasn't appeared since.


I'm also re-reading what Jason posted, since at first blush, it almost sounded like he sorta advocated updating under certain circumstances.

Humm...

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Message 1306490 - Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 18:20:19 UTC - in response to Message 1306485.

Rob, I specifically selected to 'hide' the nVida update offered by M$. It hasn't appeared since.

I'm also re-reading what Jason posted, since at first blush, it almost sounded like he sorta advocated updating under certain circumstances.

Humm...

I think he was saying it can be a good idea to update using the drivers available for manual update from the nVidia website - or even prompted by nVidia's own update availability checking tool.

But that's a rather different statement from accepting the driver versions offered by Microsoft.

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Message 1306506 - Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 18:47:37 UTC - in response to Message 1306485.

Rob, I specifically selected to 'hide' the nVida update offered by M$. It hasn't appeared since.


I'm also re-reading what Jason posted, since at first blush, it almost sounded like he sorta advocated updating under certain circumstances.

Humm...


Thanks - hiding appears to have worked, but its a real pain having to remember to hide the windoze hardware degrades.
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Message 1306574 - Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 20:56:19 UTC - in response to Message 1306425.

The background for some of the changes after 301 series relate to some earlier MS critical security updates back in June/July. In that particular context the term 'security' relates to reliability concerns tied to synchronisation, and ongoing moves to 'polish' WDDM so that multiple applications share the device better. Those June/July updates plugged some font/texture cache synchronisation issues, and more recent drivers are mostly the corresponding driver level changes and some other minor fixes.

While in a lot of cases 'don't fix what ain't broken' is a reasonable basis to work from, WDDM is still in an ongoing process of refinement. Under those circumstances I advise for newer nVidia cards & OSes, that for the time being following with latest WHQL releases is preferable. In effect, if those preceeding critical updates were applied between several months ago & now, and older drivers are used, something IS 'broken' by way of a technology mismatch (sometimes evidenced by games in particular).

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Interesting. On my oldest Win7 box (2901600), not only am I being urged to upgrade the 9800GTX+ driver beyond the current 301.42, I'm also being offered:

Kernel-Mode Driver Framework version 1.11 update for Windows 7 (KB2685811)
User-Mode Driver Framework version 1.11 update for Windows 7 (KB2685813)

Another two to keep an eye on. Installing now, wish me luck.

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Message 1306598 - Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 22:39:13 UTC - in response to Message 1306414.

I allowed it to update.

The update changed my driver from 276.14 (latest Adobe approved version) to 306.97

CS6 Adobe apps seem okay.

I also adjusted my Avid settings so MC6 accepts 306.97.
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Message 1306621 - Posted: 16 Nov 2012, 0:45:48 UTC - in response to Message 1306598.

I'm also re-reading

I figured if I do it long enough, I will
A) clearly understand his position
B) it will be soooooo much later that it won't matter :)
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Message 1306622 - Posted: 16 Nov 2012, 0:51:40 UTC - in response to Message 1306574.

Installing now, wish me luck.

I installed, but the restart wasn't clean - lots of services wouldn't start, including networking and graphics drivers (which are a bit fundamental). It seems to be becoming a regular problem (on two machines) - I'm getting quite adept with system restore. All running clean now, I'll try again - perhaps over the weekend.

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Message 1306625 - Posted: 16 Nov 2012, 1:04:14 UTC - in response to Message 1306622.

Installing now, wish me luck.

I installed, but the restart wasn't clean - lots of services wouldn't start, including networking and graphics drivers (which are a bit fundamental). It seems to be becoming a regular problem (on two machines) - I'm getting quite adept with system restore. All running clean now, I'll try again - perhaps over the weekend.

IMO, system restore is the better thing MS has.
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Message 1306629 - Posted: 16 Nov 2012, 1:20:01 UTC - in response to Message 1306622.

Installing now, wish me luck.

I installed, but the restart wasn't clean - lots of services wouldn't start, including networking and graphics drivers (which are a bit fundamental). It seems to be becoming a regular problem (on two machines) - I'm getting quite adept with system restore. All running clean now, I'll try again - perhaps over the weekend.


I installed them with no problems although I took the time to make sure nothing else was running when I did it and I installed them one at a time, first the kernel patch, rebooted, then the user patch and rebooted. Nothing ill to report afterwards.

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Message 1306760 - Posted: 16 Nov 2012, 14:09:01 UTC - in response to Message 1306465.

Never never ever never ever ever allow windows to "update" any driver. For one, they don't uninstall drivers. the new drivers are just slapped over the top of the old ones. As we already know on this forums that is a big nono



I agree with this post. I learned a long long time ago never let microsoft upgrade your graphics card drivers! As well as not uninstalling the old drivers it can lead to a serious crash. Always go to nVidia or ATI for driver updates
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Message 1306763 - Posted: 16 Nov 2012, 14:18:24 UTC - in response to Message 1306574.

Interesting. On my oldest Win7 box (2901600), not only am I being urged to upgrade the 9800GTX+ driver beyond the current 301.42, I'm also being offered:

Kernel-Mode Driver Framework version 1.11 update for Windows 7 (KB2685811)
User-Mode Driver Framework version 1.11 update for Windows 7 (KB2685813)

Another two to keep an eye on. Installing now, wish me luck.



I see those two listed under the Optional or Recommended updates.
They have 38 others to keep them company. Not going there... :)

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Message 1307351 - Posted: 18 Nov 2012, 13:17:07 UTC - in response to Message 1306414.

Hmm that resulted in setting SLI mode.
Pushing my GPU's back to 33% use instead of 98%
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Message 1307364 - Posted: 18 Nov 2012, 14:08:49 UTC - in response to Message 1307351.

The new driver has the adaptive mode switched on and whatever you do it stays on.
Down clocking the card all the time.

Switched back to 301.42 and the adaptive mode can be switched off as it should.
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Message 1307375 - Posted: 18 Nov 2012, 14:48:07 UTC

Something interesting, even i have the latest Nvidia driver instaled, the Windows still ask for update the drive??? to his own version... That must be a bug?
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