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Message 1305665 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 2:05:30 UTC

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Fed funding of education? They are no good at it why allow it?

Fed funding of Health care? They are not doctors or insurance providers. Every time they act like it the price doubles or triples.
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Message 1305675 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 2:35:15 UTC - in response to Message 1305651.  

And that is how we got into this fiscal mess with RINO's like yourself who with your mouths write checks that your rearends cannot keep.

So now I'm a RINO. Damn strange. Let's see I've been called a liberal, a tea party member, a republican and now a RINO. Someone finally got it right a few days ago.

I advocate a zero debt ceiling, using accrual accounting. But somehow I'm responsible for all the debt. I know. I must be a white male. :)

Well, I will admit one exception to zero. Declared War. Hurricanes and earthquakes are predictable enough that emergency funds should be set aside for them. So, one and only one exception.


Is it so hard for people to remember you're a Libertarian?
And, oooh, oooh, yes, I know how to change "it"! :)
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Message 1305708 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 5:16:39 UTC - in response to Message 1305675.  
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Is it so hard for people to remember you're a Libertarian?

Apparently.
And, oooh, oooh, yes, I know how to change "it"! :)

Good for you. I think most people do, especially those who participate in the Cafe.
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Message 1305709 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 5:20:32 UTC

Blue Libertarian. With fiscal restraint--perhaps?
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Message 1305715 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 5:42:32 UTC - in response to Message 1305665.  

Gary,

Fed funding of education? They are no good at it why allow it?

Fed funding of Health care? They are not doctors or insurance providers. Every time they act like it the price doubles or triples.

Declared War, is fine if needed. UN mandates are not.

No on the Hurricanes and earthquakes. That would be state issues, if a person doesn't like it--move.

How about federal funding of abortion, or for that matter state funding?

How about fed bail outs of overdrafted states?

How about fed funding of other Countries?

How about fed funding of UN?

How about fed spending on anything other then what is in the Constitution proper?

You saying that the price of medicine doubles or triples is disingenuous as you don't state a time period. If you are referring to medicare, that is supposed to be an insurance program. If the funding was handled as an insurance program, no issue at all. Medicaid, I'm not crazy with entitlements.

Education (fed doesn't hire teachers so good/bad is also disingenuous. I take that back, West Point is a dang fine federal school.) ... do you mean transfers of Federal funds to States for stated purposes? That is about 1/2 your list when stated that way. Constitution doesn't forbid it, nor even require the funding to be level based on population. I can see where Alaska might more $$ per person for roads then Rhode Island.

Other countries. Constitution addresses that. Advise and consent of the Senate. Spend money, all bills to originate in the House. Seems like it is permitted. Not happy about it, but I can see where occasionally a bribe might get us something we want.

UN. Senate confirmed the treaty. Perhaps not the smartest move we ever made, but unless we abrogate it ... we are on the hook for it.

What else? Oh abortion. Global warming (oops you don't admit that has anything to do with funding) ... anything that reduces future population is fine to reduce carbon footprint so humans can continue to exist.


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Message 1305717 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 5:44:54 UTC - in response to Message 1305709.  
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Blue Libertarian. With fiscal restraint--perhaps?


Truth...

...Blue Libertarian.

And doesn't know a damn thing about the letter of the law.
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Message 1305727 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 6:32:47 UTC - in response to Message 1305656.  

Declared War, is fine if needed. UN mandates are not.
In most of these interventions I don't remember many declarations of war. http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html

No on the Hurricanes and earthquakes. That would be state issues, if a person doesn't like it--move.
So as Louisiana is parsely populated and even in good years is a recipient of Federal funds, you wouldn't fund the relief after events like Katrina?

How about federal funding of abortion, or for that matter state funding?
Your views on rape, incest and womens health are?

How about fed bail outs of overdrafted states?
How about large companies paying the taxes in the states their main centres of operation are and not "fiddling the books" by setting up small office in a state with low taxes. Like Apple, Amazon ...

How about fed funding of other Countries?
It's called helping out and keeping other countries on your side, without using mil force or trying to force your way of life on them.

How about fed funding of UN?
In principle a good idea, but UN does need overhaul and because it is run by politicians works too slowly

How about fed spending on anything other then what is in the Constitution proper?
Research

Fed funding of education?
Should the children in the sparsely populated, relatively poor Republican states get the same school funding as the children in the heavily populated, relatively rich Democrat states?
Shouldn't the Federal authorities be supervising that education standards are approx the same throughout the country and helping if a state is struggling?

Fed funding of Health care?
As the basically insurance funded Health Service in the USA costs 50% or more than the health care in other industrial countries, isn't a least worth a thought?
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Message 1305731 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 6:47:28 UTC - in response to Message 1305401.  
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I do believe Hussein has broken laws to get to where he is. Several misdemeanors I'm sure and perhaps some low grade felonies. Nothing that would make him eligible for capital punishment. Frankly he would likely be eligible for probation or at the most house arrest.

Article. II.
Section. 1.
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Section. 4.
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.


Do you believe that the President is ineligible for office based on the provisions of Article II Section 1?


OT] If I read this right, a president need not be born in the US, but only be a citizen?? I was taught by them gubment schoolz that you had to be BORN here.

In a couple years I can run for president, whatdoya think Guy?
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Message 1305792 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 13:06:06 UTC - in response to Message 1305506.  

ID, we is at least Gary and me.
I did not know you were a birther, that is good to know.
Keep posting, I continue to learn more.
Your comment about treason and the death penalty and your stated opposition to the death penalty could cause a mental disconnect.

We. I suspect there are a few others too.

Missed his birther inference on the first read, but that just confirms that he is a conspiracy theorist.

As to a mental disconnect, most people have several. If they are aware of them it isn't usually a big issue. I more worry about the people who can't see them even with they are in their face. People like that may suddenly change the subject rather than face the reality in front of them because it is too painful to admit or may strike out irrationally in an attempt to get it to go away.


The subject isn't about me. The subject is about fiscal matters.

Self edit your post or I'll red x it because you are getting WAY too personal. You don't know me nor are you a doctor of the mind.

NONE of what you have said is true.


Please provide an answer to the question "Do you believe that the President is ineligible for office based on the provisions of Article II Section 1?"


Intelligent Design, you raised Article II Section 1 in this thread, please provide an answer to the question.

I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1305831 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 20:49:13 UTC - in response to Message 1305663.  

ID, I would prefer that the population of New York and other metropolitan areas stay and I am willing to pay to keep them there.


Not a problem if THAT state pays the tab. Don't ask me to pay for YOUR state problems. Don't ask the Feds either, they are broke!


Why not? New York is a net contributor to the Fed, annually making a net contribution greater than the total estimated damage from Sandy ($50 billion) for all states. Delaware, New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, are all in the top ten contributors ranked by revenue per capita, and all net contributors to the Fed.

If the Red States want to reduce federal spending, they could stop taking money from the blue states, just like they did with the stimulus package (source ;-) ).
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1305854 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 22:08:18 UTC - in response to Message 1305819.  

In a couple years I can run for president, whatdoya think Guy?


You can run for president
being a resident.
But you're in a class
that will never pass
because royalty is the new precedent!


LOL!
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Message 1305865 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 22:24:56 UTC - in response to Message 1305731.  

I do believe Hussein has broken laws to get to where he is. Several misdemeanors I'm sure and perhaps some low grade felonies. Nothing that would make him eligible for capital punishment. Frankly he would likely be eligible for probation or at the most house arrest.

Article. II.
Section. 1.
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Section. 4.
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.


Do you believe that the President is ineligible for office based on the provisions of Article II Section 1?


OT] If I read this right, a president need not be born in the US, but only be a citizen?? I was taught by them gubment schoolz that you had to be BORN here.

In a couple years I can run for president, whatdoya think Guy?


Article II, Section 4 is usually interpreted effectively as "A natural born citizen or a citizen in 1788" (year may be different depending on the state you were born in). A natural born citizen may be born overseas (e.g. McCain).

Still waiting for ID to answer the question "Do you believe that the President is ineligible for office based on the provisions of Article II Section 1?" I wonder why he choses to ignore it.

I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1305901 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 23:33:38 UTC - in response to Message 1305865.  

Bobby, you should know by now that ID is not fact driven, he is faith driven -- questions based on fact don't get responses -- there is no common language.
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Message 1305906 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 23:36:53 UTC - in response to Message 1305727.  

Consider that in the civilized world, single payer systems prevail for health care -- and the costs are as you noted 1/3 less than in the US (or health care in the US costs 50% more) with equal results. So instead of advocating more private pay -- which is the difference between the US and other countries -- how about advocating for LESS private pay to match the efficiency of the civilized world.


Fed funding of Health care?
As the basically insurance funded Health Service in the USA costs 50% or more than the health care in other industrial countries, isn't a least worth a thought?

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Message 1305918 - Posted: 14 Nov 2012, 0:15:40 UTC

It's 50% better too. LOL!
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Message 1305923 - Posted: 14 Nov 2012, 0:20:38 UTC - in response to Message 1305918.  

It's 50% better too. LOL!


Do you believe that the President is ineligible for office based on the provisions of Article II Section 1?
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1305925 - Posted: 14 Nov 2012, 0:23:42 UTC - in response to Message 1305923.  

It's 50% better too. LOL!


Do you believe that the President is ineligible for office based on the provisions of Article II Section 1?


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Message 1305927 - Posted: 14 Nov 2012, 0:24:47 UTC - in response to Message 1305918.  

It's 50% better too. LOL!

The NY Times might not agree. Going Abroad to Find Affordable Health Care
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Message 1305928 - Posted: 14 Nov 2012, 0:25:19 UTC - in response to Message 1305925.  

It's 50% better too. LOL!


Do you believe that the President is ineligible for office based on the provisions of Article II Section 1?


Sheriff Joe Arpaio


Do you (not the Maricopa County, Arizona sheriff) believe that the President is ineligible for office based on the provisions of Article II Section 1?
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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