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Seems like we are forever cleaning up the messes created by colonialism. 2014 may not be an answer you like, that does not mean it's not an answer. I suppose you're referring to US support of Afghan Mujahideen, the folks that fought off a Soviet invasion. The Taliban may have risen from that group 14 or so years later, though there was certainly animosity between a leader of the Mujahadeen and the Taliban. Are you sure the facts align with your narrative? ____________ I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...  | |
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 Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester  Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10556 Credit: 5,263,076 RAC: 6,462  | |
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Seems like we are forever cleaning up the messes created by colonialism. Quite sure, as the question still hasn't been answered. ____________    | |
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Marshall Plan "For example, Alberto Alesina and Beatrice Weder, summing up economic literature on foreign aid and corruption, find that aid is primarily used wastefully and self-servingly by government officials, and ends up increasing governmental corruption. This policy of promoting corrupt government is then attributed back to the initial impetus of the Marshall Plan." Oh dear. ____________ | |
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10556 Credit: 5,263,076 RAC: 6,462 | |
Quite sure, as the question still hasn't been answered. Can't help that you don't like the answer. Hope the sand doesn't get into your eye. ____________   | |
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Quite sure, as the question still hasn't been answered. None in my eyes, but it looks like you have some in yours. Especially when you quote the Marshall Plan, which has been & still seen as American Imperialism - I suppose you prefer that to colonialism! ____________ | |
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10556 Credit: 5,263,076 RAC: 6,462 | |
Quite sure, as the question still hasn't been answered. Right, so we threw everyone out of Europe and took over. So glad you don't have to worry about joining the EU, since it doesn't exist. Would you like to become a state of the USA? ____________ | |
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No need as we're already your lapdogs. | |
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10556 Credit: 5,263,076 RAC: 6,462 | |
No need as we're already your lapdogs. Quite right, some of that Marshall Plan money went to you. Sorry if you don't like the interest payments. <edit>But turn around is fair play. Your tea taxes were a bit high. ____________ | |
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What did the Romans ever do for us? Ah yes, they taught us how to colonise. | |
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No need as we're already your lapdogs. But is was lovely tea though, Gary; they don't process tea today like they used to back then. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. | |
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Wasn't in obtained to militarily secure your trade routes for your colonization efforts in the northern Mediterranean area? For centuries Gibraltar has been of strategic military importance, as it was recognised that whoever controlled the Straits of Gibraltar, controlled the Mediterranean. Even Plato referred to the Pillars of Hercules. To protect trade routes yes, but Britain did not have plans as such to colonise any part of the Mediterranean. It played an important part in WWII supporting Malta, and also a certain famous USA General was grateful to have his Headquarters there. In any case, spoils of war. That is true yes, we did get Gibraltar as a spoil of war. As far as I know most civilians left Gibraltar voluntarily during WWII as it was almost completely run by the military. I don't think any sector of society were displaced from their lands so to speak. There isn't much land there to be displaced from, it doesn't take long to travel from the town to Europa point, where there is a mosque. A lot of the rock itself is a military area, the north side facing Spain is the residential part. Gibraltar in WWII Jews in Gibraltar | |
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Spain warned amid Gibraltar row The Spanish ambassador to London has been summoned to the UK Foreign Office after Britain lodged a protest about recent Spanish incursions into territorial waters off Gibraltar. | |
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Spain warned amid Gibraltar row All carried out with the express authority of the Spanish government no doubt. This government, like others before it, know full well that they will never gain autonomy over Gibralta. For if Britain was to give up control then this would only ever occur once Gibralta had first gained international recognition as an independent country in it's own right. I suspect that this is what Spain would prefer rather than having a chunk of it's land owned by a foreign country situated a 1000 miles away. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. | |
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On the 12th July 2002 the Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, in a formal statement in the House of Commons, said that after twelve months of negotiation the British Government and Spain are in broad agreement on many of the principles that should underpin a lasting settlement of Spain's sovereignty claim, which included the principle that Britain and Spain should share sovereignty over Gibraltar. That was voted out by the Gibraltarian referendum in November 2002, 99% to 1%. Since then The UK government has toughened its stance. If I ever meet Jack Straw face to face, he won't be walking home. | |
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