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Message 1305064 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 20:56:14 UTC - in response to Message 1305057.

Hmmn, I wonder if Spain & Portugal demand their colonial possessions back, how would the US fare with them being surrounded by Spanish/Portugese speaking countries on the American continent that don't like them?

Spain and Portugal did what the Bruts didn't. They gave them up a long time ago. Now the Bruts have given some up, but still claim a bunch. While the people in some are for the most part happy, it seems the Bruts have problems with people on their own islands. Wonder how that is going to work out when they have to give them up?

Of course it was the Bruts that caused the need for this inalienable right of return that so has the mid-east screwed up.

As for the USA, the problem will be when we find out France didn't have clear title to the land in Louisiana purchase.

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Message 1305066 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:01:42 UTC - in response to Message 1305064.

OK, if we're going that route: -

How about giving Alaska back to it's native inhabitants?

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Message 1305067 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:02:49 UTC - in response to Message 1305061.

I am sure Mexico would take umbrage with that.

maybe we can make Mexico a deal. They can have Texas and Arizona, We keep New Mexico and California. Oh and just to even it out we take Acapulco.
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Message 1305071 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:08:59 UTC - in response to Message 1305066.

OK, if we're going that route: -

How about giving Alaska back to it's native inhabitants?

Can't access your Libray of Congress website as its down for holiday weekend maintainance.

Glad you brought that up. Brought it from the Russians, if they had title. Aren't they also another European Colonial power, with all that blue blood interbreeding? Now Afghanistan, just the USA cleaning up another European colonial mess.

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Message 1305074 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:12:12 UTC - in response to Message 1305067.

I am sure Mexico would take umbrage with that.

maybe we can make Mexico a deal. They can have Texas and Arizona, We keep New Mexico and California. Oh and just to even it out we take Acapulco.

Arizona except for the Gadsden Purchase. Mexico sold that fair and square. The rest was spoils of war. Then we stole the land grants from the original Spanish owners.


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Message 1305075 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:12:34 UTC - in response to Message 1305071.
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OK, if we're going that route: -

How about giving Alaska back to it's native inhabitants?

Can't access your Libray of Congress website as its down for holiday weekend maintainance.

Glad you brought that up. Brought it from the Russians, if they had title. Aren't they also another European Colonial power, with all that blue blood interbreeding? Now Afghanistan, just the USA cleaning up another European colonial mess.


So how about returning it to its natives?

Edit: check your history books, Afghanistan was never colonised. Britain & Russia tried twice & lost, still not learning from past mistakes, now its your turn. The 80's should have taught you that lesson, but you chose to ignore it.
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Message 1305079 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:18:04 UTC - in response to Message 1305075.

OK, if we're going that route: -

How about giving Alaska back to it's native inhabitants?

Can't access your Libray of Congress website as its down for holiday weekend maintainance.

Glad you brought that up. Brought it from the Russians, if they had title. Aren't they also another European Colonial power, with all that blue blood interbreeding? Now Afghanistan, just the USA cleaning up another European colonial mess.


But according to you, it wasn't theirs to sell, so how about returning it to the natives?

How about the original 13. Sure why not. We can always go against the seller and extract damages from them for their fraud. Ready to pay?



SCOTUS is likely going to have to deal with several first nations land cases in the coming decades as these work their way through the courts. It is going to be interesting to see how they get resolved.

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Message 1305081 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:22:01 UTC - in response to Message 1305075.

Edit: check your history books, Afghanistan was never colonised. Britain & Russia tried twice & lost,

Leaving a colonial mess that needs cleaning up ...
still not learning from past mistakes, now its your turn. The 80's should have taught you that lesson, but you chose to ignore it.

What makes you think we ever had any intention of staying? Just because that is the thought process of a Brut, it has to be the thought process of others?

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Message 1305082 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:22:20 UTC - in response to Message 1305079.


How about the original 13. Sure why not. We can always go against the seller and extract damages from them for their fraud. Ready to pay?

SCOTUS is likely going to have to deal with several first nations land cases in the coming decades as these work their way through the courts. It is going to be interesting to see how they get resolved.


That'll be one way to wipe out your deficit...reduce the States from 50 to 13....interesting concept.
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Message 1305085 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:27:03 UTC

The way you continue with regards European colonisation, one would think that this upsets you.....

"The Mayflower has a famous place in American history as a symbol of early European colonisation of the future United States."

One can only wonder where America would be if Europeans hadn't colonised it!
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Message 1305093 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:36:42 UTC
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Message 1305094 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:36:45 UTC - in response to Message 1305085.

One can only wonder where America would be if Europeans hadn't colonised it!

Bountiful harvests for all and absorbing enough CO2 in its forests to counter global warming.

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Message 1305097 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:38:41 UTC - in response to Message 1305094.

One can only wonder where America would be if Europeans hadn't colonised it!

Bountiful harvests for all and absorbing enough CO2 in its forests to counter global warming.


hahaha, global warming wouldn't be on the agenda......
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Message 1305098 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:40:16 UTC - in response to Message 1305082.


How about the original 13. Sure why not. We can always go against the seller and extract damages from them for their fraud. Ready to pay?

SCOTUS is likely going to have to deal with several first nations land cases in the coming decades as these work their way through the courts. It is going to be interesting to see how they get resolved.


That'll be one way to wipe out your deficit...reduce the States from 50 to 13....interesting concept.

No, 50 to zero. We would have to collect from the colonizers of the first 13, seem to remember that being the red coats, I'm sure that would wipe the debt out. Of course if they couldn't pay up we would have to put them in chains until they did.


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Message 1305100 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:41:34 UTC
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As the OP here this has rather gone a bit of topic. HOWEVER I am happy to go along with it, provided at some point we could get back to the Gibraltar issue. Why do Americans see our claims to Gibraltar as Colonialism?

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Message 1305101 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:43:58 UTC - in response to Message 1305100.

As the OP here this has rather gone a bit of topic. HOWEVER I am happy to go along with it, provided at some point we could get back to the Gibraltar issue. Why do Americans see our claims to Gibraltar as Colonialism. That was in the Victorian era, not 300 years ago!



Sorry Chris, I took that from your OP....1713 to now is 299, so what's a year.
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Message 1305106 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:47:02 UTC

You were too quick, I changed my post. Don't be too hasty in the reply! :-)

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Message 1305109 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 21:53:39 UTC - in response to Message 1305106.

You were too quick, I changed my post. Don't be too hasty in the reply! :-)


LOL. I think that it's not just Spain/Gibraltar that's the issue. I think its down to all.

Take Spain as an example: - suffering severely due to the financial crisis & with Gibraltar being a 1st class tourist destination, they want it back to take the pressure off them. The same applies to Argentina & the Falklands.

Then we get those who castigate European colonisation: - they may be correct in their views, but & its a big but, the ones with those views are of European ancestry: -

So it seems to me that they want their bread buttered on both sides.

The answer? Very simple really: - move on & help making they're part of the world a better place.
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Message 1305113 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 22:07:23 UTC - in response to Message 1305100.

As the OP here this has rather gone a bit of topic. HOWEVER I am happy to go along with it, provided at some point we could get back to the Gibraltar issue. Why do Americans see our claims to Gibraltar as Colonialism?

Wasn't in obtained to militarily secure your trade routes for your colonization efforts in the northern Mediterranean area? After all Spain and especially Portugal got much better places to get human resource units to sell to your colonies, depriving you of this income source. Of course you did go farther south in Africa as well. Perhaps a convenient fuel stop as it were for those exploits and further into the Indian Ocean. I doubt it had anything to do with a worry that Spain might close your access to the Mediterranean, after all you didn't try and blockade the Spanish or anything like that so there wouldn't have been any reason to think of a tit for tat situation.

In any case, spoils of war. What are we doing with Nazi spoils of war like paintings stolen from the Jews? I'm sure that some persons chose not to stay in Gibraltar while the fight was on, or were forced out. Were they properly compensated? Or was their property, land, confiscated just as the Nazi's did with the property of Jews? Do you think their descendants have claim?

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Message 1305115 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 22:13:57 UTC - in response to Message 1305113.

In that case, how about you giving Germany, not only the credit, but compensate for the transportation of German Scientists in 1945 - the very same scientists who got you into space!

Wernher Von Braun
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