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Message 1304921 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 14:35:02 UTC

It seems that yet again, Spain is throwing childish tantrums over Gibraltar, which is a British overseas territory. Spain formally ceded it in perpetuity to the British Crown in 1713, under Article X of the Treaty of Utrecht. This was confirmed in later treaties signed in Paris and Seville.

Spain does not recognise Gibraltar’s right to its territorial waters, which Britain says is guaranteed by UN law and a treaty between the two countries. A ban on Spanish vessels – particularly fishing boats – entering the waters has caused the most serious diplomatic rift between Spain and Britain for decades, with Spanish royals snubbing an invitation from the Queen during her Diamond Jubilee.

Pathetic, their loss not ours.

A spokesman for the Foreign Office said: ‘Any unlawful incursion into British waters is an unacceptable violation of our sovereignty.’

Damn right too.

Fabian Picardo, chief minister of Gibraltar, said: ‘Activity of this type is a scandalous act of aggression which is illegal, imprudent, unprofessional and irresponsible on the part of whoever authorised it.

Damn right three.

I have been to Gibraltar 3 times for a weeks holiday in the last 10 years and I absolutely love the place. A little bit of England in the sun. So naff off Spain or else. You saw what happened in the Falklands, we may not have a task force any more, but you are a lot closer and easier to get to. HMS Conqueror was decommissioned in 1990, but HMS Astute is about to assume operational duties, so keep your corvette toys back in port.

And if you think you're going to get a single Euro, one cent, or a penny piece out of us as a Euro bailout when you go bust, then you can think again.

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Message 1304947 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 15:29:19 UTC

They should also keep their trawler fleets out of our North Sea waters, and stop plundering the fish ...
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Message 1304949 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 15:34:22 UTC - in response to Message 1304921.

It seems that yet again, Spain is throwing childish tantrums over Gibraltar, which is a British overseas territory.

Oh my yet another British drawn line on a map that no one likes. What a surprise.
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Message 1304951 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 15:36:55 UTC

How can it be a British drawn line when the Spanish gave it up 300 years ago. The rights and torts that went with their agreement still exists.

It;s the Spanish trying to draw lines that do not exist ...
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Message 1304956 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 15:57:03 UTC - in response to Message 1304951.

How can it be a British drawn line when the Spanish gave it up 300 years ago. The rights and torts that went with their agreement still exists.

It;s the Spanish trying to draw lines that do not exist ...

Ah more Brit colonial thinking. Gotta just love it.

British guns drew the line. Now you get to the realization cutting off a chunk leaves the rest pissed and mad and gives them a century or two to plot revenge. You should have given it back a long time ago or fought on until you took it all and not just a chunk.

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Message 1304957 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 16:07:05 UTC - in response to Message 1304956.

Ah more Brit colonial thinking. Gotta just love it.

British guns drew the line. Now you get to the realization cutting off a chunk leaves the rest pissed and mad and gives them a century or two to plot revenge. You should have given it back a long time ago or fought on until you took it all and not just a chunk.


What's the Yankees real reason for being in Iraq & Afghanistan? Why are you looking to take down Iran?

Gibraltar was 300 years ago, what's your excuse for today?
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Message 1304963 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 16:24:15 UTC
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British guns drew the line

Don't talk nonsense, go and do your homework. Spanish war of Succession

You should have given it back a long time ago

Oh really? sez who? You? At least we fight for something worth having, what does the USA do? Argue about North Rock, Swains Island etc, insignificant little chunks of nothing in the middle of nowhere.

I suggest you take a trip and stand in the middle of Grand Casemates Square and tell the Gibraltarians to give it back to the Spanish. I'll let St Bernards know you are coming.

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Message 1304971 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 16:44:45 UTC - in response to Message 1304963.
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Thanks Chris. Being a student of Military History, I don't live in the past, but we do owe those men & women a lot.....

..unfortunately, I feel the majority of the world has forgotten them.
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Message 1304976 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 16:55:29 UTC

Fair enough, apologies are due and I have modified my post accordingly. The source of my information did not mention its military role, only the dispute over ownership.

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Message 1304978 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 16:59:59 UTC - in response to Message 1304976.

Not a problem. While our boys were fighting in Europe which was deadly enough, the USMC in the Pacific deserves all the plaudits we can muster.
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Message 1304987 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 17:49:25 UTC - in response to Message 1304963.

British guns drew the line

Don't talk nonsense, go and do your homework. Spanish war of Succession

Okay, British and Dutch guns ...

You didn't want and EU then and still don't.

You should have given it back a long time ago

Oh really? sez who? You? At least we fight for something worth having, what does the USA do?

Philippines, Federated States of Micronesia, South Vietnam, ...

Seems like we are forever cleaning up the messes created by colonialism.

Argue about North Rock, Swains Island etc, insignificant little chunks of nothing in the middle of nowhere.

Malvinas, or did you miss that one on purpose?

I suggest you take a trip and stand in the middle of Grand Casemates Square and tell the Gibraltarians to give it back to the Spanish. I'll let St Bernards know you are coming.

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So I guess you are ready to have another colonial slaughter fest and sow another half dozen centuries of hate. You never should have taken it in the first place. Lease perhaps. At least you got that right in Honk Kong.

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Message 1304991 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 18:02:00 UTC - in response to Message 1304987.

Seems like we are forever cleaning up the messes created by colonialism.


Really, so answer the question you were asked earlier....

What are you doing in Afghanistan?
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Message 1305010 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 18:37:33 UTC - in response to Message 1304991.
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Seems like we are forever cleaning up the messes created by colonialism.


Really, so answer the question you were asked earlier....

What are you doing in Afghanistan?


Doing the best we can to help that nation ensure a group (Taliban) that gave aid and support to a bunch of murderers (Al Qaeda) does not regain a foothold. In case you hadn't heard, it has already been announced that the US will end combat operations there in 2014.
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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1305013 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 18:41:15 UTC - in response to Message 1305010.

Seems like we are forever cleaning up the messes created by colonialism.


Really, so answer the question you were asked earlier....

What are you doing in Afghanistan?


Doing the best we can to help that nation ensure a group (Taliban) that gave aid and support to a bunch of murderers (Al Qaeda) does not regain a foothold. In case you hadn't heard, it has already been announced that the US will end combat operations there in 2014.


Hahahaha, love it. 2014 is not an answer.......

...tell me, who actually funded & armed the taliban in the 1st place?
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Message 1305052 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 20:23:24 UTC - in response to Message 1305013.

...tell me, who actually funded & armed the taliban in the 1st place?

NATO. Wait a second isn't Brittan part of NATO?


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Message 1305053 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 20:29:44 UTC - in response to Message 1305052.
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...tell me, who actually funded & armed the taliban in the 1st place?

NATO. Wait a second isn't Brittan part of NATO?



Incorrect. Go back to the 80's. NATO wasn't involved!

BTW, Britain is spelt BRITAIN

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Here's a hint....

"Although there isn't any evidence that the CIA directly supported the Taliban or Al Qaeda, some basis for military support of the Taliban was provided when, in the early 1980s, the CIA and the ISI (Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency) provided arms to Afghans resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and the ISI assisted the process of gathering radical Muslims from around the world to fight against the Soviets.[9] Osama Bin Laden was one of the key players in organizing training camps for the foreign Arab volunteers, although his organization, Maktab al-Khidamat, was exclusively Saudi funded. The U.S. poured funds and arms into Afghanistan, and "by 1987, 65,000 tons of U.S.-made weapons and ammunition a year were entering the war."
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Message 1305056 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 20:37:36 UTC - in response to Message 1305053.

...tell me, who actually funded & armed the taliban in the 1st place?

NATO. Wait a second isn't Brittan part of NATO?

Incorrect. Go back to the 80's. NATO wasn't involved!

Just better at getting a flunkie to do its dirty work and keeping secrets.

BTW, Britain is spelt BRITAIN

Isn't it Brutain?

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Message 1305057 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 20:41:06 UTC - in response to Message 1305056.

Hmmn, I wonder if Spain & Portugal demand their colonial possessions back, how would the US fare with them being surrounded by Spanish/Portugese speaking countries on the American continent that don't like them?
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Message 1305061 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 20:48:05 UTC - in response to Message 1305057.

I am sure Mexico would take umbrage with that.
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Message 1305062 - Posted: 11 Nov 2012, 20:50:46 UTC - in response to Message 1305061.

I am sure Mexico would take umbrage with that.


Exactly! The same applies to Gibraltar!
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