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Message 1310108 - Posted: 25 Nov 2012, 9:58:35 UTC - in response to Message 1310104.

honestly, Guy used to seem to have something to say. It may have been completely wrong, backwards looking self righteous and stubborn, but at least he adhered to those beliefs. Which made it honest disagreement. His mock liberal sarcasm has certainly lowered his standards, if in fact he had any.
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Message 1310358 - Posted: 26 Nov 2012, 1:27:30 UTC

Here is one that should be considered in the debate.

Schizophrenia: the Cannabis link:
Is this the 'tobacco moment' for cannabis?



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Message 1310366 - Posted: 26 Nov 2012, 2:49:53 UTC
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Message 1310377 - Posted: 26 Nov 2012, 3:42:57 UTC - in response to Message 1310358.

Interesting, but ...

I don't see where they showed which came first, propensity to schizophrenia or cannabis use. It will need a much bigger study to see if it isn't the reverse, schizophrenia causes cannabis use.

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Message 1310381 - Posted: 26 Nov 2012, 4:28:31 UTC - in response to Message 1310377.

Interesting, but ...

I don't see where they showed which came first, propensity to schizophrenia or cannabis use. It will need a much bigger study to see if it isn't the reverse, schizophrenia causes cannabis use.

Agree'd, more reseach is needed, but because drugs are illegal in most countries there is little political incentive.

Therefore although I am not in favour of drugs, including to a certain extent ones that are legal, I would support making them legal, but heavily taxed and use some of the money to do serious research.

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Message 1313536 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 14:57:16 UTC

Of course PM Cameron has got it 100% right. Those who advocate going soft on drugs are also going soft in the head. As we have a cluster of Left Wingers on these boards, no doubt I'll be strongly disagreed with. Nothing new there then!

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Message 1313542 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 15:23:45 UTC - in response to Message 1313536.

Of course PM Cameron has got it 100% right. Those who advocate going soft on drugs are also going soft in the head. As we have a cluster of Left Wingers on these boards, no doubt I'll be strongly disagreed with. Nothing new there then!

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Advocates for and critics of the decriminalization of drug use come from a broad spectrum, your left vs right paradigm fails to address this. A better axis seems to me to be the orthogonal Authoritarian vs Libertarian.
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Message 1313576 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 16:55:13 UTC
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I only advocate going soft on marijuana. And only because I always have, and continue to feel that it is less dangerous than alcohol. Ciggs are also legal, though horribly unhealthy for the user and the people around them.

It seems a hypocrisy to have alcohol and ciggs available to the public, but make marijuana a crime.

I'm not pro-legalizing it per se. However I do feel that if Alcohol and ciggs are accepted as legal, taxed and regulated sin products, pot should be too.

So either ban all of em (and we know how well that doesn't work), or allow all three.
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Message 1313599 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 18:00:09 UTC

Advocates for and critics of the decriminalization of drug use come from a broad spectrum, your left vs right paradigm fails to address this. A better axis seems to me to be the orthogonal Authoritarian vs Libertarian.

Strewth, that was one quote worthy for the archives. Quite impressive!

er ... whats it mean? ;-)))))

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Message 1313608 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 18:10:30 UTC - in response to Message 1313599.

Advocates for and critics of the decriminalization of drug use come from a broad spectrum, your left vs right paradigm fails to address this. A better axis seems to me to be the orthogonal Authoritarian vs Libertarian.

Strewth, that was one quote worthy for the archives. Quite impressive!

er ... whats it mean? ;-)))))

It means that those in favour of legalisation are not necessarily "lefties". There are those on both the left and right who support legalisation.

It comes down to the Authoritarian (I'm right and you will do as I say) vs the Libertarians (You have the right to do as you wish provided you don't hurt anyone else).

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Message 1313619 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 18:24:31 UTC - in response to Message 1310051.

he can post freely. And I am free to add to the ignore if his drivel gets any worse. The worm and I.D can keep him company.



Use my name in vain? LOL!

They leave the border open...

They allow pot to cross with intent of catching the user...

They catch the user and fine them hugely so to hire more cops later...

Close the border and keep it as a crime, or...

Make it legal...

It's a vicious cycle that the citizen will always lose in till the citizen makes up their mind as to what they wish to do about it.

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Message 1313624 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 18:37:42 UTC

It means that those in favour of legalisation are not necessarily "lefties". There are those on both the left and right who support legalisation.

It comes down to the Authoritarian (I'm right and you will do as I say) vs the Libertarians (You have the right to do as you wish provided you don't hurt anyone else).

OK, fair enough. And there was me thinking that all pot smokers were people with goatee beards, open toed sandals, clutching a copy of the Guardian. Oh well you live and learn.

But where does that leave the "look this really isn't good for you and Nanny knows best" adherents?

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Message 1313626 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 18:42:49 UTC - in response to Message 1313624.

But where does that leave the "look this really isn't good for you and Nanny knows best" adherents?

Did you ever meet a Nanny that wasn't an authoritarian ? :-)

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Message 1313628 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 18:51:12 UTC

Well I could quote Mary Poppins ..... But yes I know what you mean ;-)

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Message 1313631 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 18:56:55 UTC

Legalization is likely the most teapublican idea to come along. Make it all legal, just get your use license and pay the tax. That use license comes with the obvious mandatory testing if you are driving a motor vehicle, the obvious ban on a pilot's license, and the DNR order so your OD is your problem not the tax payers. To round out the tea, that use license means you don't get welfare or other entitlements. Just imagine how many people come off entitlements. Would this balance the budget?

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Message 1313743 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 22:48:00 UTC - in response to Message 1313624.
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It means that those in favour of legalisation are not necessarily "lefties". There are those on both the left and right who support legalisation.

It comes down to the Authoritarian (I'm right and you will do as I say) vs the Libertarians (You have the right to do as you wish provided you don't hurt anyone else).

OK, fair enough. And there was me thinking that all pot smokers were people with goatee beards, open toed sandals, clutching a copy of the Guardian. Oh well you live and learn.

But where does that leave the "look this really isn't good for you and Nanny knows best" adherents?

Still needing a nanny when they're adults?

BTW, do you really believe that Ian Botham fits your stereotype? Or Robert Mitchum? Surely not Queen Victoria? How about multi billionaire Mayor of New York, Michael ("You bet I did. And I enjoyed it.") Bloomberg?
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Message 1313835 - Posted: 11 Dec 2012, 3:21:06 UTC - in response to Message 1313631.
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Legalization is likely the most teapublican idea to come along. Make it all legal, just get your use license and pay the tax. That use license comes with the obvious mandatory testing if you are driving a motor vehicle, the obvious ban on a pilot's license, and the DNR order so your OD is your problem not the tax payers. To round out the tea, that use license means you don't get welfare or other entitlements. Just imagine how many people come off entitlements. Would this balance the budget?

Don't you know it's impossible to "OD" on pot ? If you smoke to excess, you just pass out till it wears off. It's not like Heroin or Crack where an overdose can kill unless treated.

Why all the other restrictions ? If it was legalised, users should be treated no differently to those who use alcohol.

BTW Alcohol is one of the most dangerous drugs around. Physiologically it's more harmful than Heroin. (It isn't the Smack that kills junkies, it's the junkie lifestyle.)

When you have some time to kill, check out these from the Oz ABC documentary series "What's Your Poison" Alcohol and Marijuana

Edit: Here's another interesting one Caffeine

These links go to a précis of the shows, click on the "Scripts" button to get the full content.

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Message 1313843 - Posted: 11 Dec 2012, 4:02:14 UTC - in response to Message 1313835.

Make it all legal

Don't you know it's impossible to "OD" on pot ? If you smoke to excess, you just pass out till it wears off. It's not like Heroin or Crack where an overdose can kill unless treated.

The word all encompass LSD, heroin, morphine, crack, oxy, roofies, GHB, bath salts, angel dust, bennies, Viagra, hemlock, digitalis, ... as well as pot.

Just give your local pharmacist your certified abuser identification card and some cash and take home what you want.

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Message 1313854 - Posted: 11 Dec 2012, 4:27:31 UTC

Gary, Pot is ok, the rest should be off limits. From what I understand...........................................!!!!!!!
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Message 1313866 - Posted: 11 Dec 2012, 5:50:27 UTC - in response to Message 1313536.

Of course PM Cameron has got it 100% right. Those who advocate going soft on drugs are also going soft in the head. As we have a cluster of Left Wingers on these boards, no doubt I'll be strongly disagreed with. Nothing new there then!

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I have already indicated those voting for it in CO are Republicans or Libertarians, unless in Boulder. I possess some deep knowledge on this fact.

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