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Message 1301604 - Posted: 3 Nov 2012, 9:57:20 UTC

So recently i've started SETI again and discovered that my previous account since 2005 is not accessible and i cannot attach it and because of that i cannot post new thread !!! how wonderlful i've senced myself when i discovered a same bug!!!
Yes, i cannot simply restart the computation of invalid job - i thought that
well this thread is made for only new ideas, decisions and bug fixes
i'm not concerning to any developer so i can just propose some things here and maybe sometimes they'll see it and make it work

this will be implemented since 7 years have passed, but that's ok i love to discover some old school bugs.
But actually this bug produced a new thought for me - maybe this is the way of getting attention for those jobs? and i've imagined that for broken and invalid circuits actually should be produced more jobs not only ot the computer that made the mistake but also to recheck it not just 1 time but 2 or 3 times on other computers and of course there should be a simple button with process dialog that will restart the job, but also will save the invalid job to produce an analysis of error, so this should be descripted by author and maybe some other volunteer that has the opportunity of checking the broken ring (loop, job - nvm).
Also i've suggested a new function in my own thread that will get the opportunity of visual look of already processed signals in time from universe specialized coordinates, so for example i can open alpha way (alpha-centauri) and see all signals that have been already done, then i can predict myself the time and the cluster of stars that i would like to analyze and that is not checked yet, and then i'll start those jobs from different satellites that will get me the information from that particular cluster, so even people can be organized by those star clusters and will try to get signals by activity that they feel they want to parse so this is mostly not checking of all signals but it's about a human nature and feeling.
and the program should take some signal prediction a give some coordinate moving in time probably or people can take it manually too.
well this is about not to try to analyze the whole white light but leave it for humans to decide about time and space.

it's pretty easy
i'd like to see a graph of whole pattern downloaded in my personal view and knowing then i want to pick manually some parts of pattern that i think can be interesting. even more i'd like to pick those patterns from the main channel so i can browse signals on my own and simply crop or select time and satellite, see the picture of signal select the part and try to analyze it, also i'd like to know a history of the particular space point, kinda i got signal from alpha and i need only signals that goes from that part of the universe in time, well this should be not less than a month as i think or at least a week.
so to catch the idea you of course understand that satellite is like a microphone and depending on it's software this can listen any part around the earth orbit or can be focused, so i'd like to have a focused and satellite indepent signals from some part of the universe and actually i'd like to have an option to reorganize those signals in time.
this is like a timeline probably. i can explain more if it still not clear.
Well for me it is very interesting to try find signals in the way of the vector that the solar system is moving forward, just to know if the road is safe you know... and also i don't like to analyze signals that i suppose will not be interesting, since i can think - i can try the way of not the brutforce analysis of everything but of my mind one, that can help me more especially in life finding since it's the basic function of all living beings.
Well about the errors now - the thing of error is that it is like a random generator - so statistically you should take a random part of your issue to determine if all goes well and your script is working true, when you get each 10th part of issue - it is not the random part it is what you actually programmed but whorse it is a math computation dependent on a lot of human and computer work - so it is not the real random? while the real error - is real random.
the other side is the "happen" it's happened so why not to really get some attention on that case and another one is that errors can be produced by reality to specify the moment and one more is that actually error can be something that computer cannot actually understand so it is something not defined by the rules and this is what you can interpret as a signal that you didn't defined really - well mostly because of your human nature, but also because of your human nature you should try to interpret the information by yourself and the result can be more significant because the real consciousness knows about your human nature.
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Message 1301624 - Posted: 3 Nov 2012, 11:01:43 UTC

If I understand you correctly you are wanting to restart a job that has been declared "invalid", but you have completed the task that was sent to you.
This isn't a bug, but a correct exit state, so there is no way you can restart that task.
There are several reasons for the randomness in the areas that are being searched is to prevent "cherry picking" of data; and the S@H project does not have any control over where the telescopes are being pointed.

(Now you have a reasonable credit and RAC you should be able to post in the main area of the forum - take a look in "number crunching" and "S@H science" where you will probably find some more comprehensive answers to your questions.
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Message 1304205 - Posted: 9 Nov 2012, 21:51:32 UTC - in response to Message 1301624.  

Thank you Bob!
the thing of picking is actually concludes in that actually there's not so much people yet that want to pick an area, but those who d like to to the thing will probably take data from the main data channel - so they will only predict and parse data that is not yet parsed.
The good example is tuning a channel on tv - you actually all the channels available, record them and then parse it with computers of all over the world - but actually the real interesting films and programs that goes on certain channels will be translated only by the night and they actually came from the other side of earth so you need a lot of satellites to transfer the signal, but there is that kind of signal and it works well and you know that there is such a program in the world - etc. so when you know or you have some kind of feeling - then you can try to find it manually - and you'll get it.
i'll look for crunching asap =)) thank you once again : )
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