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Message 1306234 - Posted: 14 Nov 2012, 21:58:24 UTC - in response to Message 1306230.
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didnt delete anything


program is completely uninstalled.

Then reinstall, The Boinc Data directory is Never removed when uninstalling Boinc, post the startup messages, then i'll known what directory you're installed the Data directory to, and should known whether permissions will be correct or not,
then we can get the slot directories cleaned up, after that things should just work,

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Message 1306245 - Posted: 14 Nov 2012, 22:32:41 UTC - in response to Message 1306234.

didnt delete anything


program is completely uninstalled.

Then reinstall, The Boinc Data directory is Never removed when uninstalling Boinc, post the startup messages, then i'll known what directory you're installed the Data directory to, and should known whether permissions will be correct or not,
then we can get the slot directories cleaned up, after that things should just work,

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11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | No config file found - using defaults
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.0.28 for windows_x86_64
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.25.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.6
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | Running under account Owner
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500 CPU @ 3.30GHz [Family 6 Model 42 Stepping 7]
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | Processor: 256.00 KB cache
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 syscall nx lm vmx smx tm2 popcnt aes pbe
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Home Premium x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | Memory: 11.98 GB physical, 23.95 GB virtual
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | Disk: 931.41 GB total, 840.99 GB free
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | Local time is UTC -5 hours
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTS 450 (driver version 306.97, CUDA version 5.0, compute capability 2.1, 1024MB, 8381202MB available, 601 GFLOPS peak)
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTS 450 (driver version 306.97, device version OpenCL 1.1 CUDA, 1024MB, 8381202MB available)
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | SETI@home | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 6432659; resource share 100
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | SETI@home | General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 23-Feb-2012 10:02:37)
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | SETI@home | Computer location: home
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | SETI@home | General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | Reading preferences override file
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | Preferences:
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | max memory usage when active: 6132.70MB
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | max memory usage when idle: 11038.85MB
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | max disk usage: 10.00GB
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | don't use GPU while active
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 25 %
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | (to change preferences, visit the web site of an attached project, or select Preferences in the Manager)
11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | Not using a proxy
11/14/2012 5:28:48 PM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.

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Message 1306247 - Posted: 14 Nov 2012, 22:33:38 UTC - in response to Message 1306245.

I currently have all activity suspended.
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Message 1312624 - Posted: 8 Dec 2012, 16:19:05 UTC - in response to Message 1306247.

Ok, so I started it back up, it worked for a few sets of files then started spewing errors again. I gave up. Uninstalled everything again and watched the forums... well, tried to. The Seti forums were unreachable for several days. After they finally came back up I still saw nothing new so I waited some more. Nothing.

All I did was uninstall the boinc manager. Period! Thats it. No deletions, nothing else.

I re-installed it last night and I see everything working again but nothing here about it....

Is there something going on to find out what is the matter or will I just be blamed for not maintaining my computer properly like others have been?
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Message 1312645 - Posted: 8 Dec 2012, 18:21:40 UTC

No one is blaming you my friend. The messages were only intended to alert you to the problem.
Since the design of this project is "set an forget" most folks do not pay a great deal of attention to it.

I have similar problems getting 100% out of my machine , I've tried a million things to get the errors to stop, so far I have only been able to reduce their occurrence., but I keep trying.

I guess what I'm saying is ...
Your awareness is the key and you willingness to work with us to solve the problem FULLY makes up for ANY errors your computer makes.

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Message 1312892 - Posted: 9 Dec 2012, 4:25:58 UTC - in response to Message 1312645.

No one is blaming you my friend. The messages were only intended to alert you to the problem.
Since the design of this project is "set an forget" most folks do not pay a great deal of attention to it.

I have similar problems getting 100% out of my machine , I've tried a million things to get the errors to stop, so far I have only been able to reduce their occurrence., but I keep trying.

I guess what I'm saying is ...
Your awareness is the key and you willingness to work with us to solve the problem FULLY makes up for ANY errors your computer makes.


Well I've been told that everything "I" have done did NOT fix the problem so...... what did?
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Message 1313410 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 3:54:26 UTC - in response to Message 1312892.

Just a question.. I have an auto defrag every two weeks because a LOT of files are created and deleted here making for lots of fragmented files. Is there any way that the defrag is causing this?
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Message 1314008 - Posted: 11 Dec 2012, 16:36:44 UTC - in response to Message 1313410.

I reboot about once a week. I suspended computations until I rebooted. As soon as I resumed all 6.1's error-ed out.
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Message 1314166 - Posted: 12 Dec 2012, 6:42:42 UTC

Don't bother suspending before your re-boot, BOINC will manage everything as part of its shutting down process.
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Message 1314271 - Posted: 12 Dec 2012, 14:49:50 UTC - in response to Message 1314166.

Don't bother suspending before your re-boot, BOINC will manage everything as part of its shutting down process.

But, if you have any tasks that are Ready to Report, do an update on that project first. "Just in case."

Why the weekly reboot? I let my i7 run for weeks at a time and reboot it only when a Windows update requires it. (But then, I don't use it for anything else most of the time.)

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Message 1314291 - Posted: 12 Dec 2012, 16:01:08 UTC - in response to Message 1314271.

Don't bother suspending before your re-boot, BOINC will manage everything as part of its shutting down process.

But, if you have any tasks that are Ready to Report, do an update on that project first. "Just in case."

Why the weekly reboot? I let my i7 run for weeks at a time and reboot it only when a Windows update requires it. (But then, I don't use it for anything else most of the time.)


I use mine every day for many things. I only reboot for updates that call for a reboot which is about every 1 to 2 weeks.
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Message 1316573 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 22:08:45 UTC - in response to Message 1314291.

My summery of October's blitz is that it wasn't as bad as when M$ rolled out the sleepy drivers, 5 months or so earlier, but the end result of all those PM's is that my inconclusive results have dropped to an eighth of what they were which to me is a great result.

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Message 1322857 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 23:05:11 UTC

Looks like all I'm doing is errors again...

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Message 1323106 - Posted: 1 Jan 2013, 8:23:47 UTC - in response to Message 1322857.

Looks like all I'm doing is errors again...

At least you know you have got a problem. Troops can you help him?
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Message 1323978 - Posted: 3 Jan 2013, 2:19:53 UTC - in response to Message 1323106.

Looks like all I'm doing is errors again...

At least you know you have got a problem. Troops can you help him?


Thats the thing, I dont have a problem. My computer is up to date, maintained and works great for all the things I got it for. I'm thinking of just giving up on seti


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Message 1323985 - Posted: 3 Jan 2013, 3:10:15 UTC - in response to Message 1323978.

Looks like all I'm doing is errors again...

At least you know you have got a problem. Troops can you help him?


Thats the thing, I dont have a problem. My computer is up to date, maintained and works great for all the things I got it for. I'm thinking of just giving up on seti


What make/model of power supply do you have and what sort of temps is the GPU producing while under full load?

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Message 1324447 - Posted: 4 Jan 2013, 1:43:42 UTC

I thought the server was supposed to throttle a client with too many errors, is that not true?

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Message 1324460 - Posted: 4 Jan 2013, 3:04:28 UTC - in response to Message 1324447.

I thought the server was supposed to throttle a client with too many errors, is that not true?

It is true, but effective only when nothing but errors are returned for an extended time. There are delays caused by pending tasks from before the problem, and each error only reduces quota by one. For "SETI@home Enhanced 6.10 windows_intelx86 (cuda_fermi)", Thndr's host is down to "Max tasks per day 2" but for GPUs that is multiplied by a project setting which is probably still 8 here. So for that application version it's down to 16 per day, and that's enough less than the limit of 100 in progress to minimize the damage.
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Message 1324468 - Posted: 4 Jan 2013, 4:59:00 UTC - in response to Message 1324460.

I thought the server was supposed to throttle a client with too many errors, is that not true?

It is true, but effective only when nothing but errors are returned for an extended time. There are delays caused by pending tasks from before the problem, and each error only reduces quota by one. For "SETI@home Enhanced 6.10 windows_intelx86 (cuda_fermi)", Thndr's host is down to "Max tasks per day 2" but for GPUs that is multiplied by a project setting which is probably still 8 here. So for that application version it's down to 16 per day, and that's enough less than the limit of 100 in progress to minimize the damage.
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Its still seems odd that there are users with a thousand inconclusives.

As an example, I've got an inconclusive with this user, who has no tasks in progress, but the application details show he can take 100 WU? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6726942

I don't mean to imply any ill will towards anyone working on sorting out their gpu problem. Maybe the project should throttle the GPUs faster and automatically notify you if you get a lot of errors.

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Message 1324587 - Posted: 4 Jan 2013, 14:41:14 UTC - in response to Message 1324468.
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I thought the server was supposed to throttle a client with too many errors, is that not true?

It is true, but effective only when nothing but errors are returned for an extended time. There are delays caused by pending tasks from before the problem, and each error only reduces quota by one. For "SETI@home Enhanced 6.10 windows_intelx86 (cuda_fermi)", Thndr's host is down to "Max tasks per day 2" but for GPUs that is multiplied by a project setting which is probably still 8 here. So for that application version it's down to 16 per day, and that's enough less than the limit of 100 in progress to minimize the damage.
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Its still seems odd that there are users with a thousand inconclusives.

As an example, I've got an inconclusive with this user, who has no tasks in progress, but the application details show he can take 100 WU? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6726942

I don't mean to imply any ill will towards anyone working on sorting out their gpu problem. Maybe the project should throttle the GPUs faster and automatically notify you if you get a lot of errors.



11/14/2012 5:28:45 PM | | suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 25 %.



This setting can produce errors, it stops and starts the app..
Better to set it to 0 (zero) and use the (CPU) and GPU setting: run when computer is idle, IMHO

The same applies to the default settings of the AstroPulse stock app.
DATA_CHUNK_UNROLL at default:2 DATA_CHUNK_UNROLL at default:2


Depending of the GPU used, these values should be adjusted accordingly.
F.i. start with UNROLL=8, UNROLL=16 is usually the limit.
Info: BOINC provided device ID used Used GPU device parameters are: Number of compute units: 4 Single buffer allocation size: 256MB max WG size: 1024 FERMI path used: yes

UNROLL=4 should work better, IMHO.
(If it's still possible to change these values?!).
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