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Message 1299070 - Posted: 26 Oct 2012, 19:51:50 UTC - in response to Message 1298960.

I got a rather unusual reply from 1 person via PM today, rob99999_2 ID 129322, the owner of Computer 6797265, which produces nothing but errors from its GT 650M but here's his reply.

i am not going to make a thread when i am not going to check it. I have downloaded ths lastest software and the lastest drivers so if there is any issues SETI needs to get their shit straight.


Not a very nice attitude IMO. :(

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Message 1299074 - Posted: 26 Oct 2012, 20:07:22 UTC - in response to Message 1299070.

I got a rather unusual reply from 1 person via PM today, rob99999_2 ID 129322, the owner of Computer 6797265, which produces nothing but errors from its GT 650M but here's his reply.

i am not going to make a thread when i am not going to check it. I have downloaded ths lastest software and the lastest drivers so if there is any issues SETI needs to get their shit straight.


Not a very nice attitude IMO. :(

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Not a very intelligent brain either. There's tons of people who can not in any way admit that they are the ones who needs to "get their shit straight". He obviously didn't for a moment consider that the problem was at his side of things.

And if he now thinks that SETI are the ones who should "get their shit straight", why does he continue to run such a shitty program, when he doesn't get any credit or valid science out of it?

And as usual, this is the kind of people who will read this thread as many times a day as he can, despite his words of "i am not going to make a thread when i am not going to check it"

So to that person I simply say "get YOUR shit straight", and find out why your computer is so shitty?

Now looking forward to a "shitty" PM from that person, proving that his words of "i am not going to make a thread when i am not going to check it" was also shitty.

And to everyone else here, have a nice weekend, and continue to care about whether your computers produce shit, or valid science.
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Message 1299082 - Posted: 26 Oct 2012, 20:33:00 UTC - in response to Message 1299074.

Some people are certainly hard to understand and I wonder if he even bothered read the link I gave him to Richard's thread to which I pointed out the 2nd part of his post as a possible solution for his problem.

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Message 1299086 - Posted: 26 Oct 2012, 20:34:28 UTC - in response to Message 1299070.

I got a rather unusual reply from 1 person via PM today, rob99999_2 ID 129322, the owner of Computer 6797265, which produces nothing but errors from its GT 650M but here's his reply.

i am not going to make a thread when i am not going to check it. I have downloaded ths lastest software and the lastest drivers so if there is any issues SETI needs to get their shit straight.


Not a very nice attitude IMO. :(

Cheers.


Well... rob99999_2 is right.

SETI needs to get their shit straight.


I totally agree.

Seti@Home crew should solve this problem. Not us, the volunteer crunchers. Seti@Home Beta is for testing applications.

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Message 1299090 - Posted: 26 Oct 2012, 20:38:35 UTC - in response to Message 1299074.

I always care if my computers are generating garbage data or not.
However I don't really need anyone whining to me about their tasks not getting validated if I have a machine that decides to trash it's whole cache of work.

When I get a PM from someone about one of my machines generating invalid results it is normally several days or weeks after I have already corrected the machine. So I just add them to the ignore filter & go on my merry way.

It seems people get far to wound up about things that was far outside of their control.
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Message 1299119 - Posted: 26 Oct 2012, 21:26:57 UTC

To help keep the Invalid Host Messaging thread clear here's a thread for the purposes of discussing the messages ONLY.

And if you're going to swear please see this message as to what is acceptable.
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Message 1299402 - Posted: 27 Oct 2012, 15:20:09 UTC

I was made aware my machine is churning away but not really accomplishing anything while crunching Seti. The trouble is I can't seem to determine exactly when it started or most importantly, how to stop it. Alll the other projects task are completing and running normally except Seti.

Any help would be appreciated. Here are my latest Seti "results".

State: All (3266) · In progress (631) · Validation pending (991) · Validation inconclusive (1448) · Valid (7) · Invalid (170) · Error (19)
Application: All (3266) · Astropulse v505 (0) · AstroPulse v6 (0) · SETI@home Enhanced (3266) · SETI@home v7 (0)
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Message 1299408 - Posted: 27 Oct 2012, 15:39:32 UTC

Texas - One thing that has struck me looking at your computer setup is that you are NOT running a "CUDA compatible" GPU, but you appear to have the CUDA drivers loaded. It could be that your computer is confused!
Frist, make sure you don't have any Nvidia or CUDA drivers installed, and that you only have the drivers for your ATI card installed and running. This may help, but getting rid of unused drivers is always a "good idea", and sadly Windows is not very good at its house keeping when it comes to redundant drivers.
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Message 1299442 - Posted: 27 Oct 2012, 18:22:55 UTC

To a degree I agree with rob99999_2. It's obvious the stock app definitely has a problem dealing with the later cards and drivers and is badly in need of an overhaul.

Remember, V6.10 was a bit of a kludge to begin with. It was hurriedly cobbled together when it was found that V6.09 didn't work with the then new Fermi cards and now history is repeating. The app is now 2 generations of GPU's out of date

As someone gently reminded us in another thread BOINC and SAH are supposed to be "set and forget" programs and the the stock GPU app no longer fits this description. As those of us who have V6.10 running wingmen with insane numbers of invalid tasks are finding out.

The stock app doesn't have to be the fastest but it does have to be robust and reliable.

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Message 1299444 - Posted: 27 Oct 2012, 18:29:27 UTC

I dont care what the message say, as long as it gives me the oportunity to know that something is going wrong its welcome anyway because even when I do regular checks, I cant do it every day in every host...

But, I really hope a change in the way that BOINC deals with the limits on server side and also in the client side... I mean if a tasks is expected to take 2 hours and it takes just 10 secs, may be something is going wrong may be not, but if 1000 consecutive tasks that are supossed to last for 2 hours are finished in 10 secs then, for sure something is wrong, specially for GPU tasks... So an option in the client to automatically suspend the remaining tasks or to notify via GUI or via mail or ringing a bell or something alike would be a usefull thing...
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Message 1299445 - Posted: 27 Oct 2012, 18:49:04 UTC - in response to Message 1299442.
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To a degree I agree with rob99999_2. It's obvious the stock app definitely has a problem dealing with the later cards and drivers and is badly in need of an overhaul.

Remember, V6.10 was a bit of a kludge to begin with. It was hurriedly cobbled together when it was found that V6.09 didn't work with the then new Fermi cards and now history is repeating. The app is now 2 generations of GPU's out of date

As someone gently reminded us in another thread BOINC and SAH are supposed to be "set and forget" programs and the the stock GPU app no longer fits this description. As those of us who have V6.10 running wingmen with insane numbers of invalid tasks are finding out.

The stock app doesn't have to be the fastest but it does have to be robust and reliable.

T.A.

+1

Whilst I might not have used rob99999_2's phrasing he should not have to jump through hoops just to get the basic app to run.

One reason I have put my crunching to other uses.
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Message 1299452 - Posted: 27 Oct 2012, 19:27:32 UTC - in response to Message 1299445.

To a degree I agree with rob99999_2. It's obvious the stock app definitely has a problem dealing with the later cards and drivers and is badly in need of an overhaul.

Remember, V6.10 was a bit of a kludge to begin with. It was hurriedly cobbled together when it was found that V6.09 didn't work with the then new Fermi cards and now history is repeating. The app is now 2 generations of GPU's out of date

As someone gently reminded us in another thread BOINC and SAH are supposed to be "set and forget" programs and the the stock GPU app no longer fits this description. As those of us who have V6.10 running wingmen with insane numbers of invalid tasks are finding out.

The stock app doesn't have to be the fastest but it does have to be robust and reliable.

T.A.

+1

Whilst I might not have used rob99999_2's phrasing he should not have to jump through hoops just to get the basic app to run.

One reason I have put my crunching to other uses.


+1 for both messages

No more Seti@Home for me. This is not "set and forget" project.

Hopefully Seti@Home could get sponsor like World Community Grid has (IBM)...

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Message 1299460 - Posted: 27 Oct 2012, 20:00:04 UTC

WezH wrote:

No more Seti@Home for me. This is not "set and forget" project.


It can be ,... remember that it is always your choice to use the 'sometimes unstable' GPU in order to boost your RAC.

IMO...In exchange for a higher RAC you opt into a certain unspoken "advanced user" status and therefore a greater expectation that you will keep your equipment in good working order, whether that is hardware or software related.

It's all in how you "set it"

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Message 1299471 - Posted: 27 Oct 2012, 20:31:49 UTC - in response to Message 1299408.

Well I think I might have just found the cause of my problem. I loaded some Microsoft software to watch Internet TV with Windows Media Center. I just uninstalled it and suspended my World Community Grid project to force Set@Home to run and it appears my 10 second turn around for WU's have stopped.
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Message 1299474 - Posted: 27 Oct 2012, 20:42:45 UTC

Texas - glad you've managed to track down the cause of your problems. I hope you can find another internet TV tool that won't crash S@H, so you can enjoy both TV and S@H.
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Message 1299524 - Posted: 27 Oct 2012, 22:58:42 UTC

remember that it is always your choice to use the 'sometimes unstable' GPU in order to boost your RAC.


Can you point me to where it tells users this?
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Message 1299536 - Posted: 27 Oct 2012, 23:31:45 UTC

You can find that info implied here Rules And Policys

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Message 1299545 - Posted: 27 Oct 2012, 23:49:20 UTC - in response to Message 1299536.
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You can find that info implied here Rules And Policys

Implied!! It never even mentions GPU's it is out of date.

Show me where a new person starting to crunch for SETI@Home is told that the standard standard CUDA app may not work on all cards and definitely won't work on some.

This should be on the main page and also a BOINC SETI@Home notice NVidia driver problems which cause computation errors
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Message 1299561 - Posted: 28 Oct 2012, 0:05:03 UTC

Implied!! It never even mentions GPU's it is out of date.


This is very true , but bear in mind my opinion is slated from being a Ubuntu linux user.
Things are "expected" not to work "out of the box"

In a windows initialization , is the default setting to "use GPU" ?

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Message 1299565 - Posted: 28 Oct 2012, 0:12:26 UTC

In a windows initialization , is the default setting to "use GPU" ?


Good question, I just add new machines to the default profile. I have just started crunching for Einstein@Home and GPU crunching was on by default.

So probably yes.
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