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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 36359 Credit: 436,180,015 RAC: 487,050	Message 1307751 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 16:43:32 UTC
	Thank you, Eric, for your informative post. Wish you all speed in returning things to fully operational status. And the rest of you, PLEASE direct all further posts not directly related to Eric's post to the Number Crunching forum for your comments and discussions. ____________ In memory of my loving friend and companion, Squirrel. April 12, 1995 - November 12, 2013 18 years, 8 months of unconditional love.
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TPCBF Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 46 Credit: 554,168 RAC: 834	Message 1307756 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 16:59:46 UTC - in response to Message 1307744.
	If they show as with no server contacts for more than 7 days, sorry, I just call them deadbeats, I don't think that I had any of my hosts have a problem contacting the servers for more than 3 or 4, and that was during the power outage saga... Sorry for being a "deadbeat" a while back when my HDD died and I couldn't afford a new one for a couple of weeks. Then of course there was the time I had a PSU fail and I was working away. Still the time I had an MB fail I actually put the HDD in another cruncher with a shorter queue and avoided being a deadbeat. I must try harder! Maybe... Seriously, while there are reasons why someone might not contact the server for a couple of weeks, if this is going on 4 weeks or more, with thousands of WUs sitting idle, someone isn't likely to have such bad luck (all in a row?) like you... And it just takes a hundred hosts with a 1000 idle WUs and you have 100000 WUs clogging up the database for weeks. And if someone has your bad luck, why have those WUs (in such amounts, I am not talking about 20 or 30 here...) sitting idle when it isn't likely that they will return in time without passing their deadline once whatever bad luck is involved is remedied?... Why do have a few folks cause additional problems for the large number of working hosts? Ralf
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dancer42 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 341 Credit: 1,078,360 RAC: 0	Message 1307758 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 17:04:36 UTC - in response to Message 1307722.
	Matt; Some of the previous posts recommended doing other projects while waiting and waiting for Seti. That may have been a strategy to get users to use Seti less and maybe ultimately leave Seti and have more of Seti to themselves. I don't think anyone would do that. Some would joke about doing it, but wouldn't really. Whatever the reason As of now SETI community, I have taken the dedicated (Intel(R) Xeon(R)CPU X5650@ 2.67GHz[Family6 Model 44 Stepping 2](24 processors)NVIDIA GeForce GTX 465 (1023MB) driver: 301.42) away from the SETI Project because of inadequate Server Bandwidth and several Programing issues that impact overall Reliability and Functionally. All that has significantly diminished my sense of any doing any meaningful scientific contribution with Seti@Home. I started with SETI in June of 1999. I currently rank 9,667 out of 2,488,900 (99.6116 percentile) I will keep the laptop,(Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU Q 740 @ 1.73GHz [Family 6 Model 30 Stepping 5](8 processors)NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M (1535MB) driver: 306.23) with only 4 0f the 8 processors running because of heat issues. Token effort only to SETI. I would say to the rest of the Seti Community "Good Luck" but think it will take more than that. Maybe with me not trying to get wu's or taking up Bandwidth it will be minimally better for the rest of you. I hope you and several others who posted in the last few days understand that you can add other projects without dropping Seti. Just let the computer do whatever work it's able to get. You can even set your resource shares so that it will do all Seti when it can and switch to others only when it can't get Seti. I have run 3,385,632 seti work units over at primegrid since october 15th,because of trouble getting seti work units. I have been a dedicated seti participant since june of 2002. Now with green bank coming on line soon I think it is time to consider what we want to do with seti? With Arecibo all we could get was a random sampling of the sky,with green bank we will be looking at systems with planets. A budget roughly equal to the paycheck's for the employees at one micky d's may have made since for the shot in the dark like Arecibo was. But now we are going to be looking at planetary system were life could be expected to be found. With it literally thousands of times more likely that seti can find Proof. The server problems are not because too many people are running seti,it is that we,toughs that have interest in seti have failed to provide adequate support to seti both financial and moral. If you can donate a dollar a month if you can't then let amd know that you use their products to do seti and that it is embarrassing how little of their stuff is in the top 100,The same goes for intel and nvidia. If a business donates equipment put a link to their business on your personal or team setup If you come up with a good idea post it,seti is at least as important as the sky search for harmful asteroids and ten years ago it had the budget of a micky d's. Just remember the minimum donation is $10 so even if you have to save up to do that it is not to painful. ____________
	ID: 1307758 ·

Gundolf Jahn Send message Joined: 19 Sep 00 Posts: 3173 Credit: 352,108 RAC: 21	Message 1307762 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 17:16:04 UTC - in response to Message 1307734.
	Apparently not... I just checked my oldest WU stuck in PV jail right now, and while it is not as bad as those folks with a couple thousands of WUs, this shows that this limit doesn't exist or doesn't work... Apparently, you are looking at the wrong numbers. The 100/100 limits apply to tasks actually downloaded, not to tasks listed as "in progress" (probably ghosts anyway). Gruß, Gundolf
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(banished: ID 187472) Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 11729 Credit: 5,969,466 RAC: 303	Message 1307768 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 17:36:40 UTC - in response to Message 1307762.
	Apparently not... I just checked my oldest WU stuck in PV jail right now, and while it is not as bad as those folks with a couple thousands of WUs, this shows that this limit doesn't exist or doesn't work... Apparently, you are looking at the wrong numbers. The 100/100 limits apply to tasks actually downloaded, not to tasks listed as "in progress" (probably ghosts anyway). Gruß, Gundolf Which if resend missing results is on will un-ghost as the overworked bandwidth clears. ____________
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Horacio Send message Joined: 14 Jan 00 Posts: 536 Credit: 50,793,517 RAC: 97,199	Message 1307795 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 18:15:38 UTC - in response to Message 1307762.
	Apparently not... I just checked my oldest WU stuck in PV jail right now, and while it is not as bad as those folks with a couple thousands of WUs, this shows that this limit doesn't exist or doesn't work... Apparently, you are looking at the wrong numbers. The 100/100 limits apply to tasks actually downloaded, not to tasks listed as "in progress" (probably ghosts anyway). Gruß, Gundolf Not exactly, the limits exists and are working, but the limits do not affect the number of tasks that were assigned to you before they were applied. This means that you wont get new assigned work until your pending WUs get under 100/100, meanwhile if you succeed getting work you will get those already assigned WUs as resends, and the number of pending WUs should not grow unless it goes under 200. ____________
	ID: 1307795 ·

rob smith Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 6813 Credit: 35,807,823 RAC: 80,634	Message 1307797 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 18:21:28 UTC Last modified: 19 Nov 2012, 18:21:47 UTC
	Keep up with the news - just now there is nothing being downloaded, read this from Eric- http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=70080 And don't clog up the news with inaccurate debates about what is/isn't going on. ____________ Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?
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TPCBF Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 46 Credit: 554,168 RAC: 834	Message 1307803 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 18:31:19 UTC - in response to Message 1307762.
	Apparently not... I just checked my oldest WU stuck in PV jail right now, and while it is not as bad as those folks with a couple thousands of WUs, this shows that this limit doesn't exist or doesn't work... Apparently, you are looking at the wrong numbers. The 100/100 limits apply to tasks actually downloaded, not to tasks listed as "in progress" (probably ghosts anyway). Gruß, Gundolf Besten Dank für den Gruß, ;-) but I don't think that I am looking at the wrong numbers. Ghosts or not, the basic problem might be very well the same, a huge number of WUs just sitting idle in the database waiting to expire and being resend... I rather think that it's the continuing case of RAC happy folks just filling up a week of WUs "just in case" and then abandoning the project when they don't see the result they expect in their numbers. I will start a new thread for posting examples of those cases that I am referring to next time I see this again ("SETI Wall of shame" <LOL>) Ralf
	ID: 1307803 ·

Blurf Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 7137 Credit: 6,150,349 RAC: 2,017	Message 1308200 - Posted: 21 Nov 2012, 0:25:46 UTC
	I've emailed Eric requesting he lock this thread since it's outdated ____________
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