"IVF" and the Virgin Mary


log in

Advanced search

Message boards : Politics : "IVF" and the Virgin Mary

1 · 2 · 3 · Next
Author Message
Profile Johnney Guinness
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 11 Sep 06
Posts: 3093
Credit: 2,651,120
RAC: 1,632
Ireland
Message 1295715 - Posted: 15 Oct 2012, 19:17:08 UTC
Last modified: 15 Oct 2012, 19:30:00 UTC

"IVF" and the Virgin Mary

The Bible says that Jesus's mother Mary was a virgin. In other words, Joseph did not have sex with Mary to get here pregnant with the baby Jesus. The Bible says Mary conceived Jesus while remaining a virgin. Apparently the "Holy spirit" came to Mary in the middle of the night and got here pregnant.

Right now today, we have thousands of women all over the world that have had children through In vitro fertilisation, more commonly known as IVF treatment. Many lesbian couples today go to a sperm bank and select donor sperm for their child. Then a scientist will mix the donor sperm with an egg from one of the women in a test tube. The scientist then implants the fertilised embryo into one of the women so she can carry the child through to full term.

These women are virgins, or at least they don't have to have sex to get pregnant. Just like the Virgin Mary in the Bible.

The Biblical Virgin Mary was impregnated by scientists that visited her in the middle of the night, put her under an anaesthetic and, through IVF, they impregnated Mary with the Jesus embryo. These people were scientists!! They were very advanced scientists. And not only that, they had science that is ahead of what we have today!

References;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_fertilisation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_birth_of_Jesus

Jesus is coming back.....soon!

Chris de Burgh - A Spaceman Came Travelling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmZg7tvGN9o

Chris De Burgh seems to make a prophecy of the Second Coming of Christ in this song:
"The stranger returned and said 'now I must fly. When two thousand years of your time has gone by. This song will begin once again, to a baby's cry..."

John.
____________

OzzFan
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Apr 02
Posts: 13661
Credit: 31,491,884
RAC: 11,464
United States
Message 1295718 - Posted: 15 Oct 2012, 19:29:50 UTC - in response to Message 1295715.

It sure is fun to apply today's knowledge to the past and make it fit so it sounds good. I'd ask for proof, but I'm sure I'll be told that I have to wait a few years for it, and that you can't release the information you're decoding in an old book.

So in other words, no real reason to believe you.

Profile Es99Project donor
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 23 Aug 05
Posts: 9079
Credit: 259,229
RAC: 103
Canada
Message 1295760 - Posted: 15 Oct 2012, 21:48:38 UTC

Yay to Jesus and his magic penis!

(I am not sure how much you know about lesbians, but they do have sex.)
____________
Are you a feminist? Take the test

Profile Gary CharpentierProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 12977
Credit: 7,661,320
RAC: 9,011
United States
Message 1295777 - Posted: 15 Oct 2012, 22:41:24 UTC - in response to Message 1295760.

(I am not sure how much you know about lesbians, but they do have sex.)

<snark>(They can't "have sex" but they can "preform abomination" or at least that would be a fundie's viewpoint.)</snark>

____________

Profile Sarge
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 25 Aug 99
Posts: 9258
Credit: 1,546,823
RAC: 1,118
United States
Message 1295815 - Posted: 16 Oct 2012, 1:40:37 UTC - in response to Message 1295760.

Yay to Jesus and his magic penis!

(I am not sure how much you know about lesbians, but they do have sex.)


With men?
Isn't that where the term bi gets applied, then, not lesbian?

Profile Es99Project donor
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 23 Aug 05
Posts: 9079
Credit: 259,229
RAC: 103
Canada
Message 1295819 - Posted: 16 Oct 2012, 1:49:30 UTC - in response to Message 1295815.

Yay to Jesus and his magic penis!

(I am not sure how much you know about lesbians, but they do have sex.)


With men?
Isn't that where the term bi gets applied, then, not lesbian?

Having had a few lesbian friends explain to me some of the things that lesbians do with one another (to be honest there is such a thing as too much information sometimes) I have reliable information that lesbians have sex without the aid of men.

I hate to break it to some of the guys out there, but the penis isn't as necessary as you seem to think it is.

Sorry.
____________
Are you a feminist? Take the test

Profile Intelligent Design
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Apr 12
Posts: 3626
Credit: 37,520
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1295845 - Posted: 16 Oct 2012, 4:18:20 UTC

USA's ranking worldwide...17th in science and 25th in math.
If this thread is what passes for science...
England ranking of 65 countries...28th for math and 16th for science.
If this thread is what passes for science...
DUH!

Profile betregerProject donor
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 29 Jun 99
Posts: 2578
Credit: 5,383,964
RAC: 4,345
United States
Message 1295848 - Posted: 16 Oct 2012, 4:32:44 UTC - in response to Message 1295845.

ID, the Cr*p you pedal is a component of this countries score.
____________

Profile Gary CharpentierProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 12977
Credit: 7,661,320
RAC: 9,011
United States
Message 1295876 - Posted: 16 Oct 2012, 5:58:32 UTC - in response to Message 1295848.

ID, the Cr*p you pedal is a component of this countries score.

+googolplex
____________

Profile Johnney Guinness
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 11 Sep 06
Posts: 3093
Credit: 2,651,120
RAC: 1,632
Ireland
Message 1295912 - Posted: 16 Oct 2012, 9:46:41 UTC
Last modified: 16 Oct 2012, 9:49:43 UTC

People the fact remains, right now today, there are hundreds of thousands of women who have had baby's and they DID NOT have sex to produce the child. They are VIRGINS!

Hence;
There are THOUSANDS, if not hundreds of thousands of "Virgin Mary's" all over the world today!

To top that off, isn't there some story in the Bible about, I can't remember her name, some old woman having a baby? Maybe it was Abraham's wife, i can't remember the story. Its possible her name was Elisabeth. Either way, WE ARE ALSO DOING THIS TODAY! Through IVF, and through other artificial methods, old women can get pregnant!

The Bible is true! Thousands of years ago, there was a race of "scientists" here on Earth, that were described in the Bible as "God", and they were doing scientific things!!

John.

bobby
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 22 Mar 02
Posts: 1962
Credit: 14,955,859
RAC: 1,584
United States
Message 1295932 - Posted: 16 Oct 2012, 11:39:17 UTC - in response to Message 1295912.

People the fact remains, right now today, there are hundreds of thousands of women who have had baby's and they DID NOT have sex to produce the child. They are VIRGINS!

Hence;
There are THOUSANDS, if not hundreds of thousands of "Virgin Mary's" all over the world today!

To top that off, isn't there some story in the Bible about, I can't remember her name, some old woman having a baby? Maybe it was Abraham's wife, i can't remember the story. Its possible her name was Elisabeth. Either way, WE ARE ALSO DOING THIS TODAY! Through IVF, and through other artificial methods, old women can get pregnant!

The Bible is true! Thousands of years ago, there was a race of "scientists" here on Earth, that were described in the Bible as "God", and they were doing scientific things!!

John.



In HitchHikers Guide to the Galaxy (H2G2) it rains. It's there in H2G2 rain! Also in H2G2, people buy and drink beer. Millions of people buy and drink beer every day! H2G2 is true I tell you. It's all true, the Vogons are coming and none of us are ready.
____________
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Profile Chris SProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 19 Nov 00
Posts: 32309
Credit: 14,271,177
RAC: 10,892
United Kingdom
Message 1295936 - Posted: 16 Oct 2012, 12:09:32 UTC

OMG! Bobby has contracted the virulent JG virus. It's all true, it's happening right now today. Very shortly you will all literally be infected with it. It has been foretold in the Bible. The end of the world will happen very soon.

[Sorry nurse, is it time for my anti JG meds yest?]

Sirius B
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 26 Dec 00
Posts: 11765
Credit: 1,784,520
RAC: 2,096
Syria
Message 1295941 - Posted: 16 Oct 2012, 12:17:07 UTC - in response to Message 1295936.


[Sorry nurse, is it time for my anti JG meds yest?]


Mine's a pint of lager on the hour, every hour.
____________

Profile Chris SProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 19 Nov 00
Posts: 32309
Credit: 14,271,177
RAC: 10,892
United Kingdom
Message 1295947 - Posted: 16 Oct 2012, 12:46:26 UTC
Last modified: 16 Oct 2012, 12:47:33 UTC

I presume Sirius, that IVF means intravenous Fosters?

The Biblical Virgin Mary was impregnated by scientists that visited her in the middle of the night, put her under an anaesthetic and, through IVF, they impregnated Mary with the Jesus embryo.


According to the Bible, Mary apparently got pregnant whilst engaged to Joseph, but it wasn't his child. They left Nazareth to travel to Bethlehem because of the Taxes imposed by Cyrenius the governor of Syria. It also helped to avoid the embarrassment of an unmarried mother. He accepted bringing up the child as his own and married her later.

How likely is it that she was just a naughty teenager and Joseph decided to stand by her anyway?

Sirius B
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 26 Dec 00
Posts: 11765
Credit: 1,784,520
RAC: 2,096
Syria
Message 1295948 - Posted: 16 Oct 2012, 12:49:53 UTC - in response to Message 1295947.

I presume Sirius, that IVF means intravenous Fosters? Most definitely

The Biblical Virgin Mary was impregnated by scientists that visited her in the middle of the night, put her under an anaesthetic and, through IVF, they impregnated Mary with the Jesus embryo.


According to the Bible, Mary apparently got pregnant whilst engaged to Joseph, but it wasn't his child. They left Nazareth to travel to Bethlehem because of the Taxes imposed by Cyrenius the governor of Syria. It also helped to avoid the embarrassment of an unmarried mother. He accepted bringing up the child as his own and married her later.

How likely is it that she was just a naughty teenager and Joseph decided to stand by her anyway?
Very Likely!
____________

Profile Johnney Guinness
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 11 Sep 06
Posts: 3093
Credit: 2,651,120
RAC: 1,632
Ireland
Message 1295954 - Posted: 16 Oct 2012, 13:48:51 UTC

I honestly don't know what's wrong with you people here?

Does anyone here think its even mildly interesting that the story of Mary getting pregnant with baby Jesus sounds exactly like IVF that is preformed all over the world on a daily basis? Our scientists do this today, its easy to do!!

Does is not ring any alarm bells in your head telling you something is really wrong with our current interpretation of human history?

John.

OzzFan
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Apr 02
Posts: 13661
Credit: 31,491,884
RAC: 11,464
United States
Message 1295957 - Posted: 16 Oct 2012, 13:59:56 UTC - in response to Message 1295954.
Last modified: 16 Oct 2012, 14:02:19 UTC

No Johnney, it doesn't make us want to apply today's knowledge with our human history like you do.

I've always thought something along the lines of what Chris S. said earlier about it being far more likely that Mary was simply a naughty teenager than immaculate conception, and we certainly have no evidence to suggest that artificial insemination was the cause of Mary's pregnancy other than your claims of a mysterious book and a promise of future revelation that will likely never occur.

I have not seen a single claim of yours show a modicum of credibility. You can believe what you want, but without evidence many of us remain unconvinced - even many of the faithful on the boards do not seem to agree with your conclusions.

Sirius B
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 26 Dec 00
Posts: 11765
Credit: 1,784,520
RAC: 2,096
Syria
Message 1295965 - Posted: 16 Oct 2012, 14:08:10 UTC

Honstly Johnny, I think you got the basics for a very good Sci-Fi yarn. Why not attempt it? You never know, it make take off like JK Rowling's Harry Potter.
____________

bobby
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 22 Mar 02
Posts: 1962
Credit: 14,955,859
RAC: 1,584
United States
Message 1295990 - Posted: 16 Oct 2012, 23:07:34 UTC - in response to Message 1295954.

I honestly don't know what's wrong with you people here?

Does anyone here think its even mildly interesting that the story of Mary getting pregnant with baby Jesus sounds exactly like IVF that is preformed all over the world on a daily basis? Our scientists do this today, its easy to do!!

Does is not ring any alarm bells in your head telling you something is really wrong with our current interpretation of human history?

John.


What evidence, outside of the Bible, do you have to support your contention that Mary (if she existed) was a virgin?

____________
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Profile William Rothamel
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 25 Oct 06
Posts: 2619
Credit: 1,180,227
RAC: 12
United States
Message 1295992 - Posted: 16 Oct 2012, 23:26:23 UTC - in response to Message 1295990.

The Virgin Birth !!

It's been a long time since that's been done well.

1 · 2 · 3 · Next

Message boards : Politics : "IVF" and the Virgin Mary

Copyright © 2014 University of California