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Message 1301701 - Posted: 3 Nov 2012, 15:44:53 UTC - in response to Message 1301694.  

It is SUPPOSED to be the duty of any responsible newspaper to inform the public of serious wrongdoings and injustices.

That was the line some time ago. However the lawyers, bless their souls, proved in court that the fiduciary duty to the shareholder overrides any other duty, such as informing the public of wrongdoing. Any reporter/editor who doesn't know this will quickly find themselves out of a job and any manager who doesn't enforce this in bankruptcy court unable to pay the shareholders their tons of flesh for breaching his duty.

What? You are editor. You have a story about wrongs and you have a page 3 girl photo. You have only so much ink and paper in your budget. Which do you run? Which one brings in more advertising money? That is the one you run!


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Message 1301749 - Posted: 3 Nov 2012, 17:54:44 UTC - in response to Message 1301709.  

...Short-term thinking is liberalism.

And not thinking at all is Tea Party conservatism.

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Message 1301753 - Posted: 3 Nov 2012, 18:03:38 UTC - in response to Message 1301749.  

...Short-term thinking is liberalism.

And not thinking at all is Tea Party conservatism.

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Message 1301773 - Posted: 3 Nov 2012, 18:38:24 UTC - in response to Message 1301749.  

...Short-term thinking is liberalism.

And not thinking at all is Tea Party conservatism.

Thinking long term is Libertarianism.

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Message 1301782 - Posted: 3 Nov 2012, 19:10:16 UTC - in response to Message 1301701.  

It is SUPPOSED to be the duty of any responsible newspaper to inform the public of serious wrongdoings and injustices.

That was the line some time ago. However the lawyers, bless their souls, proved in court that the fiduciary duty to the shareholder overrides any other duty, such as informing the public of wrongdoing. Any reporter/editor who doesn't know this will quickly find themselves out of a job and any manager who doesn't enforce this in bankruptcy court unable to pay the shareholders their tons of flesh for breaching his duty.

What? You are editor. You have a story about wrongs and you have a page 3 girl photo. You have only so much ink and paper in your budget. Which do you run? Which one brings in more advertising money? That is the one you run!


Im getting so sick and tired of hearing this fiduciary duty crap!!! Maybe the damn lawyers need to be horse whipped in front of the Supreme Court and be sued for for fiscal malefeasance. When making money overcomes any moral obligations its damn plain wrong. That law needs to be changed . But as long as we have a lying, stealing, whats in it for me congrass, that will never happen.
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Message 1301784 - Posted: 3 Nov 2012, 19:11:26 UTC - in response to Message 1301782.  

Excellent reply. +1
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Message 1301793 - Posted: 3 Nov 2012, 19:41:33 UTC

I think the Supreme Court needs to be dragged out of the building an tarred and feathered for Citizens United and other fiduciary duty rulings. Yes we MUST change the law!

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Message 1302077 - Posted: 4 Nov 2012, 14:13:32 UTC - in response to Message 1301793.  

I think the Supreme Court needs to be dragged out of the building an tarred and feathered for Citizens United and other fiduciary duty rulings. Yes we MUST change the law!

Agreed 100%
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Message 1302579 - Posted: 5 Nov 2012, 19:45:53 UTC - in response to Message 1302077.  

lets go back 100 years and repeal the " money is free speech" nonsense. This basically tells people that the wealthy have more free speech than the poor. that is stale horse puckey


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Message 1302634 - Posted: 5 Nov 2012, 22:22:53 UTC - in response to Message 1302579.  

lets go back 100 years and repeal the " money is free speech" nonsense. This basically tells people that the wealthy have more free speech than the poor. that is stale horse puckey

Well, it won't change anything other than they will have to pay tax on it. They will still buy more ads than the poor.

However I'm for a more basic change. That a corporation is a license and any condition the legislature sees fit can be put on that license, including a restriction on speech.

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Message 1302638 - Posted: 5 Nov 2012, 22:26:13 UTC

beginning to stray way off topic here.
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Message 1302644 - Posted: 5 Nov 2012, 22:38:06 UTC - in response to Message 1302638.  

beginning to stray way off topic here.

Perhaps if someone stayed out of the US political topics there might be reciprocal behavior, too much to hope for I'm sure ...

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Message 1302652 - Posted: 5 Nov 2012, 23:00:58 UTC - in response to Message 1302644.  
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At least my posts/questions were on topic.

Edit: & that maybe the reason why america is no longer liked by the rest of the world....

too arrogant maybe?
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Message 1302664 - Posted: 5 Nov 2012, 23:34:39 UTC - in response to Message 1302644.  

beginning to stray way off topic here.

Perhaps if someone stayed out of the US political topics there might be reciprocal behavior, too much to hope for I'm sure ...

The problem is that US politics just about affect everybody else on the planet, so expressing our views is probably legitimate as it might just modify your stance so that the US doesn't become the most disliked nation.

P.S. Thanks for taking this position away from us in the UK, it tended to make us paranoid.
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Message 1302669 - Posted: 5 Nov 2012, 23:42:18 UTC - in response to Message 1302664.  

Well stated!
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Message 1302779 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 9:45:40 UTC - in response to Message 1302778.  
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I have no axe to grind against America, and I don't dislike them. In fact in the Western work I would say that China and the far east are probably more disliked than the USA or the UK. Also this project and these boards are supplied by Americans for our benefit, so it seems rather rude to bash their country just because some here don't like their politics.




BBC Mark Mardell, A Battle for America's Soul

When Barack Obama was elected, I lived in Belgium.

Something extraordinary happened around the corner from my home. A favourite local cafe hung out a stars and stripes.

Looking back from this land where houses, hats and hustings are always draped in the red, white and blue, that sounds commonplace. But it wasn't.

In my four years as the BBC's Europe editor, travelling to most of the 27 countries that make up the European Union and many outside it, I never saw the American flag displayed apart from at embassies or Kosovo, where Americans were indeed held in high esteem.

Elsewhere, many considered the US a rogue nation, a bully and a bigot, George W Bush the symbol of its excess.

The wave of sympathy that engulfed the world after 9/11 had drained away into the sand of Iraq.

The election of the country's first black president was seen as a moment of huge hope, holding the possibility of great change.


So it seems I'm not the only one to express these thoughts.

I have many American friends and a few relatives that have permanently moved there. And I recognise that they are a young country, but I do not understand why so many are so insular and inward looking. And why they refuse to learn from history, most of our history is common to them as well.
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Message 1302796 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 10:46:33 UTC - in response to Message 1302778.  

I have no axe to grind against America, and I don't dislike them. In fact in the Western world I would say that China and the far east are probably more disliked than the USA or the UK. Also this project and these boards are supplied by Americans for our benefit, so it seems rather rude to bash their country just because some here don't like their politics.


You castigated me for being "stuck in the 30's/40's & fixated on war" (Which is totally incorrect btw), yet here you are, stating on an international public forum your dictatorial views.

Of course we have to respect the project & its rules, but that doesn't give them the right to act as dictators & I'm pretty sure the project admin would object to being labelled as such.

I believe it has been said often before on various threads: -

The world is getting over populated with its resources dwindling. Therefore there is only 3 options available & none of them are pleasant: -

War
Introduce "Logan's Run"
Re-enter Space & colonise another planet

If there's any better options out there, I can't see what they are!
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Message 1302844 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 14:47:11 UTC - in response to Message 1302664.  

beginning to stray way off topic here.

Perhaps if someone stayed out of the US political topics there might be reciprocal behavior, too much to hope for I'm sure ...

The problem is that US politics just about affect everybody else on the planet, so expressing our views is probably legitimate as it might just modify your stance so that the US doesn't become the most disliked nation.

P.S. Thanks for taking this position away from us in the UK, it tended to make us paranoid.

Ah, typical continental thinking. My way or the Highway. Sounds just like American policy. Wonder where we got that idea?

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Message 1302856 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 15:29:34 UTC

I'm not one for increasing bureaucracy, but written consent by all concerned in cases like this would prevent a lot of time wasting in courtrooms......

Doctors issue unauthorised DNR orders

One way I suppose to free up ever dwindling beds!
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