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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Well, it had to happen I suppose...... .....What next? Over time, reduce the age so that those that do nothing for the benefit of society, are put to sleep? Care? No, Welcome to "Logan's Run" "Care Pathway" to the grave |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
One cancer patient who had suffered a heart attack and been put on the LCP had all his tubes and drips removed, including hydrating fluids, on the false grounds that he was dying.A whole month. WOW. A cancer patient that is in intense and constant pain lived a whole month longer. We still don't know how long this patient would have lived without the tubes and fluid pumps. I assume it was a miserable month for that poor patient. Herein lies the problem. People assume length over quality when it comes to life. If you are terminal and in excessive pain there is little that can be done for a patient than make them comfortable in the final days. Its clear that the family insisted on fighting until the end. This is a suck justification for allowing a patient to die in peace instead of being hooked up to machines. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
This is a suck justification for allowing a patient to die in peace instead of being hooked up to machines. +1 |
musicplayer Send message Joined: 17 May 10 Posts: 2430 Credit: 926,046 RAC: 0 |
By saying that I guess you mean that you end up becoming just a number and not a name at all. In the end we are most likely born to this life in order to die away from it as well. Does it possibly happen in two different ways? What happens in the meantime? Are we supposed to learn or experience something while we live? Should we make any conclusions at the final end perhaps? What a shame for possibly living a long life. Guess what you may have learnt and experieced during the time you were alive here on this earth. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11358 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
IMO, when the time comes I want to go out fast. |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
Not in my experience, Chris. On the haematology ward we had two terminal patients who were overseen by nurses on a 15 minute basis. They adjusted their morphine for the pain levels until they slipped away quietly. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Personally, I think it's all down to the hospital itself & the quality of it's staff. Seven years ago next month, I received an emergency call from a family member. My father had collapsed [he'd had a major heart attack] & unfortunately, cracked his head against the fridge on his way down. By the time the emergency services got to him, I felt it was too late (took 31 minutes - you've only got 3 min if starved of oxygen). By the time we all got to the hospital, he had been resusitated several times & I had been asked by the doctor, after explaining matters that I was already aware of, whether or not the resusitate again. I gave a negative as we had all seen what out late mother went through & did not want to see, what was a very active man, go through the same. With what I've seen in some hospitals, I feel that people should have to right to be at their loved ones last moments if possible. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
I think familys should also communicate what there final wishes are. My second wife told me repeatedly over the years she did not want to be hooked up to a machine. Well she was in an auto accident had sufferd massive brain injuries. They did a brain scan and other tests and told me that she was brain dead, only the macines kept her alive. I pulled the plug according to her wishes. I didnt like making that decision, But it was one she made and I abided by it. Now that Im remarried, We have talked about what our final wishes will be. Yes its not a fun topic to discuss but it needs to be done. [/quote] Old James |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
Using "Logan's Run" as an example is stretching it a bit. As I recall they all were terminated at the age of thirty. Now in "Soilent Green" you could choose to end it all and have a nice long drift into permanent slumber while watching scenes from a world that no longer existed. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
.....What next? Over time, reduce the age so that those that do nothing for the benefit of society, are put to sleep? In "The Giver", I believe it was referred to as "being released". #resist |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Using "Logan's Run" as an example is stretching it a bit. As I recall they all were terminated at the age of thirty. Now in "Soilent Green" you could choose to end it all and have a nice long drift into permanent slumber while watching scenes from a world that no longer existed. Not really Bob. I did state in the 1st post, what next? Reduce the age over time. Who knows what mankind will be doing in, say, a 100 years from now. |
Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0 |
THERE IS NO SANCTUARY me@rescam.org |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
Then there is ZARDOX depicting a future time when some of mankind lives so long they get bored with living. Trying to predict man'ssituation 100 years from now is about as hard as predicting the wearther. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Just how many hospitals are actually using LCP? I'm shocked to find Addenbrookes using it. My wife spent a month in Intensive care there in 2005 & the staff were absolutely brilliant. So the question is: - Is the current government destroying everything it gets involved in? Addenbrookes LCP |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
district nurses now doctors Medical Profession's lethal arrogance Had to happen eventually. Who's next? We've had the Government, Bankers, Police, Media,Civil Service...... ...how about the peasantry? A nice little uprising will keep the media & politicians happy for a while. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
The Peasants' Revolt, Wat Tyler's Rebellion, or the Great Rising of 1381 was one of a number of popular revolts in late medieval Europe and is a major event in the history of England. Tyler's Rebellion was not only the most extreme and widespread insurrection in English history but also the best-documented popular rebellion to have occurred during medieval times. The names of some of its leaders, John Ball, Wat Tyler and Jack Straw, are still familiar in popular culture, although little is known of them. Wasn't he a recent Home Secretary? No wonder the country's in a mess.... :) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
That was fast work! Anti-Establishment Tabloid does it again "Hospitals have even been paid incentives of £30million to hit targets for the number of patients on the pathway" Logan's Care Program |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
It is the duty of any responsible newspaper to inform the public of serious wrongdoings and injustices Where did you get that pap?! It is their duty to make money for the shareholder. They have no other duty. Murdoch makes sure every reporter working for him knows that. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
That was fast work! Anti-Establishment Tabloid does it again All very distressing, though, while the Mail and the Telegraph (and perhaps some posters here) have suggested it's the Liverpool Care Pathway (LCP) program that's a fault: the LCP recommendations make it very clear that: source I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
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