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Message 1348173 - Posted: 18 Mar 2013, 18:30:14 UTC

This should be in the "laughter" thread, but couldn't resist putting here as several posts back, "Trust" was mentioned........

In those we trust

Ooooh, how awful, another lurid "Waily Fail" article!
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Message 1348484 - Posted: 19 Mar 2013, 14:17:08 UTC

Lots of other news about ...

Budget

Nuclear

Not all doom and gloom.

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Message 1348498 - Posted: 19 Mar 2013, 14:55:39 UTC - in response to Message 1348484.

"Overseas aid will also be shielded from the cuts, while local government and police budgets will be protected for the first year."

WHY?
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Message 1348504 - Posted: 19 Mar 2013, 15:20:20 UTC

Some good news for a change....

...Sir Humphrey, don't go having a cardiac arrest now......

Artic Star & Bomber Command Clasps awarded
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Message 1348535 - Posted: 19 Mar 2013, 18:59:45 UTC - in response to Message 1348504.

Some good news for a change....

...Sir Humphrey, don't go having a cardiac arrest now......

Artic Star & Bomber Command Clasps awarded

It gets votes...just a publicity stunt now...'tis a shame though.


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Message 1348539 - Posted: 19 Mar 2013, 19:18:24 UTC

My health is fine young Sirius, and thank you for your evident concern, I am most gratified. I was rather of the opinion that it was yourself that had the occasional fits of the vapours?

The Arctic and Bomber Command medals are long overdue and have had overwhelming cross party support in the Chamber, and the other place, and perfectly right too. I can remember a married couple that were friends of my parents through the late 30's, the war years, until the 60's. The husband Harold Jones, was a rear gunner in Lancaster's during WWII, who were colloquially known as "tail end charlies", just about the most dangerous RAF job there was. I remember as a young teenager asking him about it, but he was such an unassuming man, he would never say anything other that "we simply had a job to do".

This is very welcome news, thank you for posting it.

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Message 1348587 - Posted: 19 Mar 2013, 21:30:28 UTC - in response to Message 1348539.

This is very welcome news, thank you for posting it.


You're welcome.

An uncle of mine who passed away in 1984 served on the Artic Convoys & I've seen his records. He was torpedoed 3 times on the Murmansk runs with the 3rd time being severly injured.

I could never get him to talk about that time until one particular day while I was home on leave.

He said the same thing - "We had a job that needed doing, nothing more" Being a military history buff, that statement said it all about that generation.

Sorry Nick, publicity stunt or not, they deserve those medals!
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Message 1348590 - Posted: 19 Mar 2013, 21:37:03 UTC

Sirius' uncle is like so many of those that served in Bomber Command, and on the Arctic Convoys. They did things we consider "beyond the pale", they did so without comment or complaint, "because they had a job to do". I am so glad they did that job, and I am proud to honour them.
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Message 1348591 - Posted: 19 Mar 2013, 21:38:49 UTC - in response to Message 1348590.

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Message 1348592 - Posted: 19 Mar 2013, 21:39:57 UTC
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As am I rob.

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Message 1348614 - Posted: 19 Mar 2013, 22:41:38 UTC - in response to Message 1348587.
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Sorry Nick, publicity stunt or not, they deserve those medals!

Yes they did deserve the medals, I haven't stated anything to the contrary.
http://www.north-star-news.co.uk/News/Medals-at-last-for-Arctic-Convoy-veterans-26022013.htm
But as can be ascertained from the news article above this rewarding of medals
was neither a military not government lead initiative but one totally lead by
the veterans themselves. What does this really mean in relation to the military's
or governments stance here? On the governments side then not a lot, not until
someone realised that this could make a good publicity stunt to boost the
flagging popularity of an ailing Prime Minister. To this end I'd rather have
seen either the Queen or Prince Philip award these medals; them who went through
the war so will readily appreciate then what these men really went through.
Mind you, Cameron may have carried this all out as a way of sticking his
fingers up to some of those in Europe who hate to be reminded about the war
years??? If so, then lets see more of this standing up to Europe
from him in the near future; then I might forgive him.

Sirius, I wonder if your uncle and mine ever shared the same convoys at any
time during that war. My uncle too was sunk three times and fortunately for
him he surved in each case. I remember an occasion many years ago when he
mentioned about being sunk three times. He was also a gunner on the merchant
ships and I asked him what was it like to be sunk. He said that, " One minute
you were firing the gun at an aircraft then suddenly you just found yourself
in the water...just like that...then you realised that the ship had been hit"
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Message 1348616 - Posted: 19 Mar 2013, 22:46:52 UTC - in response to Message 1348614.

Sorry Nick, publicity stunt or not, they deserve those medals!

Yes they did deserve the medals, I haven't stated anything to the contrary.
http://www.north-star-news.co.uk/News/Medals-at-last-for-Arctic-Convoy-veterans-26022013.htm
But as can be ascertained from the news article above this rewarding of medals
was neither a military not government lead initiative but one totally lead by
the veterans themselves. What does this really mean in relation to the military's
or governments stance here? On the governments side then not a lot, not until
someone realised that this could make a good publicity stunt to boost the
flagging popularity of an ailing Prime Minister. To this end I'd rather have
seen either the Queen or Prince Philip award these medals; them who went through
the war so will readily appreciate then what these men really went through.
Mind you, Cameron may have carried this all out as a way of sticking his
fingers up to some of those in Europe who hate to be reminded about the war
years??? If so, then lets see more of this from him in the near future; then
I might forgive him. If that is the case, then I'll have to stop calling him Del-boy!

Sirius, I wonder if your uncle and mine ever shared the same convoys at any
time during that war. My uncle too was sunk three times and fortunately for
him he surved in each case. I remember an occasion many years ago when he
mentioned about being sunk three times. He was also a gunner on the merchant
ships and I asked him what was it like to be sunk. He said that, " One minute
you were firing the gun at an aircraft then suddenly you just found yourself
in the water...just like that...then you realised that the ship had been hit"
You never can tell & I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. To get the Merchant Marine to open up about their experiences is just as bad as getting the "Forgotten Army (14th Army - South-East Asia) to talk about theirs
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Message 1348625 - Posted: 19 Mar 2013, 23:09:45 UTC

I love it! Out of the mouth of babes........

Boris would like to be PM

"I suppose all politicians are like, in the end, crazed wasps in a jam jar"
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Message 1348672 - Posted: 20 Mar 2013, 10:19:22 UTC

Y'know, I'm going to hate myself for this one day, but if I had to choose between Milliband and Boris for PM, I think I would rather go the amiable buffoon route. But of course it's quite easy to sit there saying you'd like to have a crack at being PM, when you know you'll never be there in a million years. He wouldn't have enough gravitas to represent the country in International affairs, and his career has been dogged in controversy. He is making a fair stab at being Mayor though.

Continuing in WWII matters, this is also welcome news Bletchley

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Message 1348740 - Posted: 20 Mar 2013, 16:02:26 UTC - in response to Message 1348672.

Yes that is good news. I've been dreading for several years Bletchley Park being demolished for redevelopment as its on a prime site.

The only bad thing about it in modern times is hollywood with their crap "U-571" film.

The "Real" capture of U-110 & the Enigma Machine & Codes......

....& the ships name was highly apt! HMS Bulldog
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Message 1348747 - Posted: 20 Mar 2013, 16:29:40 UTC

In the mid 1970's as an employee of a Public Utility, I went on a short training course at Bletchley Park. I walked through that magnificent arched entrance, up to the first floor where we were. Just to the inside of the arch on the right, was the bar area that had very threadbare carpets, and had not been open for some years. I never got to see the huts.



Both of the two German electro-mechanical rotor machines whose signals were decrypted at Bletchley Park, Enigma and the Lorenz Cipher, were virtually unbreakable if properly used. It was poor operational procedures and sloppy operator behaviour that allowed the GC&CS cryptanalysts to find ways to read them.


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Message 1348807 - Posted: 20 Mar 2013, 18:59:58 UTC
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Oh dear some more good news....at least for London commuters......better make sure I don't end up having a coronary... :)

Queen unveils new Metropolitan & Circle trains

...& Kate gets an unexpected gift... a "Baby on Board" badge...:)
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Message 1348867 - Posted: 20 Mar 2013, 20:21:37 UTC

It's Budget day, gotta have some good news somewhere :-))

Don't worry Sirius, keep voting, you know it's good for you!

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Message 1348883 - Posted: 20 Mar 2013, 21:11:28 UTC - in response to Message 1348867.
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The only thing I'm voting for atm is for Gerry Adams to become Irish PM, just so he can give the Mekon a lovely Irish gift........

.............21st Century Shillelagh
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Message 1349033 - Posted: 21 Mar 2013, 9:46:48 UTC

Well I'm Jiggered, the Waily Fail is actually praising the budget, and likening Osbourne to Thatcher! Quick take a picture this is real rarity ....



Well, let's face it, a man who likes Marmite can't be all that bad :-)



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