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Message 1345906 - Posted: 12 Mar 2013, 21:51:55 UTC - in response to Message 1345901.

4 inches of snow last night bought most of the south-east of the UK to a
standstill. Someone forgot to send the gritters out and thousands of motorist
became stranded. Has our P.M. stood up in parliament today requesting
someone's head on the block for this?



Well ours were out yesterday afternoon around 2pm. The speed they went down our avenue, the grit just blew all the place...

...the bits that landed on the road itself wasn't enough to melt butter!
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Message 1345910 - Posted: 12 Mar 2013, 21:57:47 UTC

Well ours were out yesterday afternoon around 2pm. The speed they went down our avenue, the grit just blew all the place...

...the bits that landed on the road itself wasn't enough to melt butter!

That does not sound very efficient to say the least. I would suggest that you contact you local Councillor and complain. Your council will have a website listing the various Wards and the appropriate Councillors. Send a copy to the Council Leader as well.

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Message 1345917 - Posted: 12 Mar 2013, 22:05:54 UTC - in response to Message 1345906.

4 inches of snow last night bought most of the south-east of the UK to a
standstill. Someone forgot to send the gritters out and thousands of motorist
became stranded. Has our P.M. stood up in parliament today requesting
someone's head on the block for this?



Well ours were out yesterday afternoon around 2pm. The speed they went down our avenue, the grit just blew all the place...

...the bits that landed on the road itself wasn't enough to melt butter!

Must have had his spreader settings set-up spreading wrongly....?


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Message 1345922 - Posted: 12 Mar 2013, 22:12:46 UTC
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Must have had his spreader settings set-up spreading wrongly....?
On the face of it, it would seem so. But it should be reported.

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Message 1345931 - Posted: 12 Mar 2013, 22:25:26 UTC - in response to Message 1345922.

Must have had his spreader settings set-up spreading wrongly....?
On the face of it, it would seem so. But it should be reported.

Well, at least they made the effort, unlike some we know...


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Message 1346054 - Posted: 13 Mar 2013, 7:57:48 UTC

That is just just your own opinion. Obviously we need a permanent Civil Service, which maintains the fabric of the country, whilst politicians and their parties come and go. Of course we all accept that they are over staffed and inefficient, but more changes have been made over the last 20 years than the last 100 years, and will continue to happen at an ever growing pace, as they get dragged into the 21C. We all know that you have a bee in your bonnet about this particular issue, but it doesn't help your cause by using untrue flowery language to try to get your point across.


The Civil Service & Reform

Comment from Lord Bicard, a former PPS....

"But whatever the state of that relationship the real concern should be that the service is no longer fit for purpose for a modern society because:
(see report for full list, but no 6 is strong medicine, think Sir Humphrey ought to be taking some of it)
No 6: It is centralised, hierarchical and riddled with status."

There you go Sir Humphrey, care to comment?
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Message 1346075 - Posted: 13 Mar 2013, 8:37:50 UTC

I would broadly agree with all 6 points, but No.3 worries me more than the others. I have dealt with civil service procurement mentality first hand during my career, and its like trying to fight a soggy pudding with one hand tied behind your back. The problem is they have never had to be a cost conscious organisation with budgets, it's always been a safe haven away from the nasty world with copper bottomed pensions.

However generally speaking, the British Civil Service is admired and respected around the world for it's diplomacy skills, and they are often called to mediate in foreign disputes. But they need to change and they are.

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Message 1346080 - Posted: 13 Mar 2013, 8:57:05 UTC - in response to Message 1346075.

OY! Stop doing that, it's not good for my health!

It's impossible to disagree with that.

However, the changes have to sweep right through the whole organisation, no half-measures!

But the over-riding change that must take priority is their I.T. system. Many are complaining that its too old & slow & it must be allowed to link in with HMRC & Police databases, that will cut fraud by at least 50% if not more!
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Message 1346086 - Posted: 13 Mar 2013, 9:20:53 UTC

:-)

Government use and procurement of IT is a complete shambles right across the whole spectrum including the NHS and MOD. It is basically because they don't have their own in-house experts, they employ dodgy consultants and outside companies to do the work for them. They in turn know that landing a government contract and being a Government approved supplier is worth is weight in gold, and a licence to print money.

It's only in recent years that the MOT, car tax, driver licence, and insurance databases have all been linked up. Before then police had to make 4 separate inquiries to find out if a car and driver were fully legal. Now with number plate recognition, they can check everything in seconds including if the car is reported stolen. But some areas of government deal with National Security so those have to have stand alone systems.

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Message 1346087 - Posted: 13 Mar 2013, 9:24:35 UTC - in response to Message 1346086.

I said stop doing that...:)

Agreed, but where tax,N.I & DWP systems are concerned they don't infringe on national security so that is not an issue.

However, if we want tighter security, then the govenment has to stop passing downright stupid laws like R.I.P.A where even the local councils can use that to their own advantage & have been doing just that!
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Message 1346097 - Posted: 13 Mar 2013, 10:09:55 UTC
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:-))

The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (RIP or RIPA) is an Act regulating the powers of public bodies to carry out surveillance and investigation, and covering the interception of communications. RIPA can be invoked by government officials specified in the Act on the grounds of national security, and for the purposes of detecting crime, preventing disorder, public safety, protecting public health, or in the interests of the economic well-being of the United Kingdom. It was ostensibly introduced to take account of technological change such as the growth of the Internet and strong encryption.

But it is written in a very broad way so that it can cover almost anything, which means of course that it could be misinterpreted. If there is evidence that local Councils are misusing the Act, then that should be flagged to the appropriate authorities. In the case of HMRC and DWP, I would expect that peoples personal details would come under the umbrella of the Data Protection Act, but on the face of it I can see no reason why they shouldn't be linked. But this is an area I have no experience in.

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Message 1346100 - Posted: 13 Mar 2013, 10:17:36 UTC - in response to Message 1346097.

As the DWP & HMRC in a manner of speaking are part of the Governments treasury, one collects & the other payouts. Can't see where the DPA is an issue here.

AS for RIPA it has been flagged numerous times since its enactment. Several councils have been using RIPA to snoop on their residients & use surveilance to determine if they have been truthful in their declarations of school placement requests.

There has also been other reports of various deeds by the councils.

Bit naughty don't you think?
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Message 1346112 - Posted: 13 Mar 2013, 10:49:50 UTC
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AS for RIPA it has been flagged numerous times since its enactment. Several councils have been using RIPA to snoop on their residients & use surveilance to determine if they have been truthful in their declarations of school placement requests.

I would not call that "snooping", more checking that people are being honest and not trying to fiddle the system.

There has also been other reports of various deeds by the councils.

I know that some are using Google Earth and Streetview to determine those people who have built extensions to property, and did not get planning permission, and have not declared it so that they pay the correct amount of Council tax.

Bit naughty don't you think?

No, not at all. Residents who deliberately defraud Councils only put the costs up for the rest of us. If people are honest and law abiding, and have nothing to hide why should they be worried? How many times do we hear about people claiming sickness benefit for a bad back, only to be found working on building sites?

This tag of a "Snoopers Charter" is coined by those that have a skeleton or two in the cupboard that they would rather keep quiet about.

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Message 1346476 - Posted: 14 Mar 2013, 10:14:37 UTC - in response to Message 1346112.

That attitude is reminiscent of 1933-45. How easily history forgotten!

What next Del-boy - your very own leibstandarte division?
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Message 1346514 - Posted: 14 Mar 2013, 12:25:11 UTC

That attitude is reminiscent of 1933-45. How easily history forgotten!

I really do wish you would stop banging on about Nazi Germany. We are all aware of the history, and don't need to be constantly reminded of it. And no it will not happen again.

No.10 has grown increasingly annoyed at Conservatives using Twitter to air their grievances

Quite right too, the House of Commons is the place to do that. A lot of them haven't got the guts to stand up and be counted where it matters, preferring to do it "skulking behind the scenes". Typical Tories who brought down Thatcher during the "Night of the long knives"..

Backbenchers will be told they are 'participants not commentators'

Exactly.

Totnes MP Sarah Wollaston becomes first Tory to defy Twitter ban, insisting she will speak out even if 'inconvenient' for the leadership

And so she should as well, but in the correct way. Any MP can call for a vote of no confidence in the Prime Minister, or the Government during their term of office, if they have a seconder. A vote would be brought on automatically if 46 MPs, 15 per cent of the parliamentary party, wrote to the chairman of the 1922 Committee.

How people forget ....

In 1960, the News Chronicle folded into Daily Mail despite having a circulation of over a million. The News Chronicle's editorial position was considered at the time to be in broad support of the British Liberal Party, which was in marked contrast to that of the right-wing Daily Mail.

That "suppression" worries me more that 1933-45 in Europe.

Who owns the Mail

Viscount Rothermere.

Rothermere


Rothermere is a supporter of the Conservative Party leader David Cameron.

About time he had a word in the ear of Paul Dacre then ...

On 29 November 2012, when the Leveson Report was published, actor Steve Coogan accused Dacre of "using his newspaper to peddle his Little-England, curtain-twitching Alan Partridgesque view of the world, which manages to combine sanctimonious, pompous moralising and prurient, voyeuristic, judgmental obsession

I have deliberately not posted all of that quote for obvious reasons.

Oh and how about this?

John O'Farrell

But it only made me more determined to keep making more noise on behalf of the causes that the Mail and the Conservative party despise


I see a Lib Dem/Labour coalition more likely by the day .....

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Message 1346541 - Posted: 14 Mar 2013, 14:19:35 UTC - in response to Message 1346514.

Fair comment, but will you stop banging on about nazi germany? Nobody's mentioned them. Take a look at the history of that time excluding Germany...you might learn something!
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Message 1346687 - Posted: 14 Mar 2013, 21:15:31 UTC
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Oh dear, are the coffers getting that empty Del-boy?

You wanna recoup some of your losses via the telephone?

Well..... 0845 900 0444 will do it for you

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Oh well, the gits at the top do it, so why shouldn't we?
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Message 1346693 - Posted: 14 Mar 2013, 21:36:40 UTC

Oh well, the gits at the top do it, so why shouldn't we?

Usual late night post, sigh ......

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Message 1346729 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 1:35:43 UTC - in response to Message 1346693.

Oh well, the gits at the top do it, so why shouldn't we?

Usual late night post, sigh ......



So no comment on the report...it was the CPS - you know, the muppets that prosecute!
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Message 1346797 - Posted: 15 Mar 2013, 8:55:14 UTC - in response to Message 1346729.

Oh well, the gits at the top do it, so why shouldn't we?

Usual late night post, sigh ......



So no comment on the report...it was the CPS - you know, the muppets that prosecute!

So you suggesting that the CPS should only hire non corruptible super people. Sorry they don't exist everyone has a price and in my experience a LOT of people are on the take, comes with being human.

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