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Message 1323544 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 11:59:01 UTC

According to the Faily Wail, figures released yesterday show that out-of-work benefits have increased by 20% in the last 5 years, while salaries have risen by just 12% over the same period. This purports to make a bit of a nonsense of the government statement at the end of last year that it "should always pay to work". I'll have a closer look at the figures and see if it's media interpretation for a lurid headline.

Apparently they want to introduce a 1% cap on out-of-work benefit increases over the next 3 years, but they are being opposed by Labour, Hardly any surprise there then. Of course there are many thousands of lazy good for nothings on the dole, but there are also very many people who genuinely cannot work because of injury or illness. They still have to survive.

Of course one way around this is to introduce means testing, but every time that has been suggested there were howls of protests from every corner that it would be demeaning. I genuinely think that too many people would have too much to lose if their affairs were looked into too closely hence the uproar. How many people on the dole genuinely spend all week actively looking for work as they are supposed to? How many take casual cash in hand work for a day here and a day there? How many doctors casually sign certificates for back pain which is notoriously difficult to diagnose?

In an earlier statement & televised via Letterman, you stated that 1 million new jobs had been created - you forgot to mention that 87% of those were part time jobs of 10 hours or less - so another good "deal" for Britain then del-boy.......

Can you point me at those figures? They seem somewhat different to the information that I have. If they are correct then yes, it does put a different interpretation upon the matter.

What's the matter Taffy? Hit home did it?

I really don't know why you keep banging on about my Welsh connection, it seems very childish to me. It is general knowledge that my parents were evacuated during WWII from London to Llangollen in North Wales where I was born at the end of the war. At 6 months old we returned to England where I have lived ever since. I basically come from English stock, but obviously I have a soft spot for that part of the UK which has magnificent scenery and a vibrant cultural heritage with an annual internationally famous Eisteddfod.

However there is an Irish connection in the past. I went to Ireland a couple of years ago, and discovered that my Great Great Grandfather on my paternal side, was a lay preacher in County Mayo in the 1830's, before later settling in England. Whilst there we went down south from Mayo to Galway, a very nice city. I liked Ireland, the Guinness is good, and the climate was surprisingly warm being on the Atlantic.

However I am basically English, and proud of it, and I think I'm a better ambassador for my country than you'll ever be for yours.



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Message 1323562 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 12:36:06 UTC

So guess it wold be completely out of line to have anyone who can while they

collect unemployment do work to clean roads or pubic places or help the elderly

clean yards weather strip houses dig ditches then fill them in and you know work?
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Message 1323567 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 12:52:03 UTC

So guess it wold be completely out of line to have anyone who can while they collect unemployment do work to clean roads or pubic places or help the elderly clean yards weather strip houses dig ditches then fill them in and you know work?

Not at all Dancer, that is what we have been trying to do for a long time. The problem that we have is that there is a hard core of long term unemployed, who are just scroungers, and have no intention of finding any sort of work, whether community or paid. It is compounded by them deliberately having loads of kids, so that they HAVE to have benefits for the kids sake.

My way forward in these cases would be to take the kids into care, and chuck the layabout parents out on the street. But of course the BHL's amongst us would complain about abusing their human rights. People like that don't have any rights, they forwent them when they chose the lifestyle that they have.

Work is a four letter word to too many people and it has to change.

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Message 1323624 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 15:37:33 UTC - in response to Message 1323567.

No verified job search, or no community service hours card no check.

and in any normal country there is more work than people albeit

a lot of the work maybe no one can afford to pay for so relief

gets payed work gets done and bum finds job that isn't so much work.

In New York state they had this problem so a note was sent out

that a medical exam would be held to evaluate disability cases

2/3 of the people did not show problem solved.
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Message 1323644 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 16:49:58 UTC

I think the problem goes deeper than that. Take the building trade for example, there is a traditional "lump" workforce that still drifts from one job and site to another The lump. Quite often that work is just labouring or sweeping up, which full time employees on the books see as beneath them. If they tightened up this black economy would disappear, and building would cost more.

It's the same with the hotel and catering industry, a high percentage of workers shouldn't be in the country in the first place, but because of their situation they have no choice but to take on low paid menial work with no questions asked. If this was tightened up on, meals and hotels would cost a lot more. If a crackdown on medical reasons for not working was instigated, yes probably half of claimants would disappear. Then what? They still have to live, so petty crime goes up, and more people moonlighting and not on the books, and more kids being born as meal tickets to get extra allowances.

What is missing in society is the self respect from earning a fair wage for a fair weeks work. Most people want to get as much money as possible for as least work as possible. If people cannot believe in morals and their own self worth, then we have a sick society. lack of leadership by the church, abandonment of support for marriage by the state, and a compensation culture, all have a part to play in this.





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Message 1323695 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 18:41:51 UTC

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Message 1323701 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 18:58:21 UTC - in response to Message 1323544.

In an earlier statement & televised via Letterman, you stated that 1 million new jobs had been created - you forgot to mention that 87% of those were part time jobs of 10 hours or less - so another good "deal" for Britain then del-boy.......
Can you point me at those figures? They seem somewhat different to the information that I have. If they are correct then yes, it does put a different interpretation upon the matter.


I believe it was Panorama that highlighted that, as well as pointing out that the Civil Service were witholding their own vacancies from showing up on the system. Not one of the CS staff that were interviewed explained that sufficiently to avoid being tagged as "keeping the jobs for their own".

What's the matter Taffy? Hit home did it?
However I am basically English, and proud of it, and I think I'm a better ambassador for my country than you'll ever be for yours.


You stop the social engineering & Ill stop calling you Taffy. BTW, it was the English that named us Jocks, Taffy's & Paddy's with their constant jokes regarding other nationalities & you don't like it up you when the shoe is on the other foot....

..nothing new then from the English ambassadors.

"Quite what links you have to Canada we will await with baited breath to learn."

However there is an Irish connection in the past. I went to Ireland a couple of years ago, and discovered that my Great Great Grandfather on my paternal side, was a lay preacher in County Mayo in the 1830's, before later settling in England. Whilst there we went down south from Mayo to Galway.


I'm waiting with bated breath to know the reason why you want personal info.
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Message 1323727 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 19:50:22 UTC

& you don't like it up you when the shoe is on the other foot....

Oh dear, Corporal Jones the 2nd ;-)

I'm waiting with bated breath to know the reason why you want personal info.

Paraphrasing others posts isn't very clever. I have no particular interest in your Canadian connections, I just thought it innocuous. I probably have more links to Canada than you have. My paternal Grandfather went to Canada for a couple of years, to seek his fortune in 1905-7, but never did get one. The claim to fame is that he was skinny dipping in a lake one day with a couple of mates, got seen and reported, and had to evade the Mounties by jumping a cattle boat and working his passage back to England. He always reckoned until he died that he was still on their wanted list, and proud of it!

In 1957 two Canadian Scouts from Vancouver were billeted with us in London for the Jamboree in Sutton Coldfield, and we are still in touch with the family. Two other recent friends also now live there as well. In addition, my Step Sister lives on Vancouver Island, and I have every intention of visiting there in the next couple of years.



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Message 1323744 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 20:20:11 UTC - in response to Message 1323727.

TMI.

So if not interested, why publicily ask?
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Message 1323747 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 20:24:54 UTC

OK I withdraw the question. Not interested anymore. Can we move on please.

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Message 1323751 - Posted: 2 Jan 2013, 20:34:51 UTC - in response to Message 1323747.

OK I withdraw the question. Not interested anymore. Can we move on please.


That only works when the questions are verbal.

It seems that successive governments always seem to hit "captive markets". For years they've been trying to reduce traffic on our roads & seduce us all into using public transport......

.....& this is the results!
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Message 1323994 - Posted: 3 Jan 2013, 4:03:59 UTC

We have figured it out in the US the carrying wait of 1 doctor is 27 McDonald's

employees so as long as we graduate 1 doctor for every 27 people full employment.
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Message 1325369 - Posted: 6 Jan 2013, 20:23:25 UTC

Del-boy wants to stay at No 10 until 2020

Oops, you're 85 days early Del-boy!
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Message 1325464 - Posted: 7 Jan 2013, 7:30:18 UTC - in response to Message 1325369.

Del-boy wants to stay at No 10 until 2020

A good chance he will do....


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Message 1326489 - Posted: 10 Jan 2013, 22:34:19 UTC

More confirmation that the Muppets are out of touch with the country.....

MP's call for 32% pay increase
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Message 1326749 - Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 18:43:36 UTC - in response to Message 1326489.

More confirmation that the Muppets are out of touch with the country.....

MP's call for 32% pay increase

Seems like there feeling the pinch now that they can't get away with those
doggy expense claims they used to make.

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Message 1329810 - Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 12:52:32 UTC

It's absolutely sad that those that show/speak about their concerns for this country are either ignored/ridiculed or worse, classed as a racist by muppets in ivory towers......

Immigrant's grand daughter speaks out

..... just take a look at her grandparents.... They didn't take without giving anything back & had they done so, they deserved to as they fought for this country!

It's absolutely despairing when all the natives can do is knock down the ones showing concern.

It's definitely time to shut the gates & tell the muppets, both in London & Brussels to *O & that they are going to get sweet FA in the future!
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Message 1331992 - Posted: 27 Jan 2013, 14:52:10 UTC

Remembering what happened to Maggie.....

...are the cracks getting wider?

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Message 1332496 - Posted: 29 Jan 2013, 13:08:50 UTC

A 1959 novel, which became a play, film & tv series has now reached its pinnacle......

Billy Liar

..........he made Prime Minister!

No ground troops will be sent to Mali - Only RAF for the purpose of logistics.......

..which makes this interesting........

Troops on way to Mali
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Message 1332865 - Posted: 30 Jan 2013, 17:47:07 UTC

Africa as a continent has sucked in many over the centuries & it seems it will continue to do so.....

Del-boy arrives in Algeria for talks

....."The UK is to send 330 military personnel to Mali and west Africa to support French forces battling Islamist militants. Critics have warned of "mission creep". Isn't this exactly what happened with the Americans in Vietnam?

The deployment will include as many as 40 military advisers in Mali and 200 British soldiers in neighbouring African countries, to help train the Malian army" - Really? I thought Mali was just one country of many in Africa? Just what are you up to Del-boy?

Now a question for Sir Humphrey, but 1st, a recap to lead into that question.....

I'm giving no credit at all to the morons that read the dailys and believe every word!

Do you really think Cameron will give it to us in 2015?

Yep because by then we would probably be out anyway or just about to be.


So can you give an answer to that belief, seeing as how Del-boy has pushed it back to 2017?

So, how would you describe this years posts of yours, constantly calling the democratically elected government a bunch of muppets, with their noses in the trough?


Fair point, so you won't mind if I stop calling them Muppets but Billy Liar's instead.
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