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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
@Gary's; shouldn't it be based on population, rather than physical size of the state? I mean really... Come on. You'd be giving greater power to states with much smaller populations. Which is an existing issue, with the senate IMHO. Then again some of us prefer thinking of the US as one country, and others want it to be 50 countries. You get one vote for every $1000.00 or part thereof you pay in tax, less any entitlement payments. Income tax, sales tax, property tax, luxury tax ... less earned income credit, TANF ... Franklin was a brilliant man ... :) |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Gary, in the past a poll tax was effective in the disenfranchisement of large sectors of the populace, your proposal would work. |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Excellent -- an oligarchy. But to make that really work, since corporations are people too, they also would get votes based on this.
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Excellent -- an oligarchy. But to make that really work, since corporations are people too, they also would get votes based on this. Plutocracy? |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
I see anyone that thinks their vote should be more valuable than anyone elses as a trading opportunity. Buy them for what they are worth, sell them for what they think they are worth. Edit: I could make a lot of money on Romney. Janice |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
The point is that whoever wins today, is only going to have the confidence of 50% of the American nation. is that a true mandate to govern? Probably not even 50%, because voter turnout in the USA tends to be low (<60% of eligible voters) by international standards. Also in most states people have to register first, a process that is not always easy. Have a look for republican or GOP suppression laws. Also if you are a republican is it worth voting in the large costal cities, of if you are a democrat is it worth voting in the bible belt. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Soooooo, in which case, how much mandate does a USA President have to run the country, and presumably declare war on the rest of the world, in the name of the American people? Good question, but you also didn't see that because of the Electoral College system that you don't have to win the most votes (they call it the popular vote). i.e. G.W. Even with all this rushing about by the two candidates, 23 states have only had a total of 5 visits between them, from both candidates. Because those states are cast-in-stone foregone conclusions. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Also in most states people have to register first, a process that is not always easy. Have a look for republican or GOP suppression laws. Hard for some to understand but Americans aren't issued papers which they must carry with them at all times. So it becomes necessary to try and figure out who is who before you hand them a ballot they might not be entitled to. Except in Chicago where the motto is vote early and vote often. |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
I thought you driver license, with photo ID, is such a document, and you are required to carry them when out driving ... Chris is correct, but the election card is not mandatory when voting, at least not here ... It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
We dont have a master list of voters. Each county in the State has a voting list. They still carry my daugter even though she has registerd in Colorado to vote. Whats to stop her from voting here and in Colorado. See thats the problem in the US. Dont even mention Chigago. More dead people vote there than anywhere else in the US. As long as we dont have a natioanl registry voter fraud will be prevalent. But the dems like illegal voters. Thats why they give away stuff. [/quote] Old James |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
That sounds like too simple of a solution for the US. ;-) Just send every registered voter a card to use for their vote. I like it. Thing is here they don't want it that simple, there is a deeper agenda behind our newfound restrictive voting rules (which seem to be being proposed only in swing states, imagine that). #resist |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
(which seem to be being proposed only in swing states, imagine that). You mean they haven't yet divided it into swing blocks in swing precincts in swing counties in swing states? You know they will soon enough. After all, the rest if a foregone conclusion, only where it isn't does it matter. Data analysis is the new power. |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
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bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
As long as we dont have a natioanl registry voter fraud will be prevalent. And the evidence for this accusation is? (hint: virtually non-existent) I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
As long as we dont have a natioanl registry voter fraud will be prevalent. compared to the desire to eliminate 100's of thousands from voting by the poll tax that Conservatives once again tried to push through, I'm willing to say 10 cheaters is not a conspiracy in 110 million votes let alone a precinct In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
As long as we dont have a natioanl registry voter fraud will be prevalent. How big or small is the problem, any figures available? The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
As long as we dont have a natioanl registry voter fraud will be prevalent. If there were figures available then the people would be kicked off the rolls. Historically in some areas, e.g. Chicago, it has been more than enough to tip an election. However the real fraud today is in the vote by mail route. Register on the Internet and no one sees you. Get an absentee ballot and mail it back. How many times can you vote that way? A whole bunch. America needs to face up to this and deal with it and uniformly. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
However the real fraud today is in the vote by mail route. Register on the Internet and no one sees you. Get an absentee ballot and mail it back. How many times can you vote that way? A whole bunch. America needs to face up to this and deal with it and uniformly. Exactly the same as it is here across the pond, as stated by Chris in an earlier post. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
As long as we dont have a natioanl registry voter fraud will be prevalent. even registering online you'd have to have a valid address and eventually prove that you actually live somewhere. They know when you provide a false address. Also multiple registrations at 1 single family address sends up red flags which causes the elections folks to send out mailers to determine residency. Also changes in drivers license addresses gets you a mailer. How do I know? I got a mailer. I had to check that yes I had moved to this address from the previous one in this county. I think that you think its pretty easy to fool the system or even game it. It is very hard to get a fake voter registration without some form of residency documentation. and the penalty for having a fake voters card is harsh enough to deter anyone from really wanting to try. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
So this thanksgiving day, is the President going to pardon big bird?? Janice |
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