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Message 1297942 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 18:25:30 UTC

So anyway guys,
If ET really did give us all the stories in the bible, would you start reading the bible and studying it?

Was God and ET?

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Message 1297945 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 18:39:12 UTC - in response to Message 1297942.  

I've already read the Bible, both Old and New Testaments. In fact, I still have my copy. What makes you think that none of us have actually read the Bible in the first place?

And the answer is, if ET wrote the Bible, I would be disheartened by the state of the Universe and the lack of intelligent out there.
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Message 1297946 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 18:40:16 UTC

The Bible is loaded with contradictions, changes, forgeries, and misinformation. I strongly suggest some of Bart D. Ehrman's books. He is a biblical scholar, and spent his life learning ancient Greek, Aramic, and pouring over the oldest remnants of documents.

A very good book to start with is,
Misquoting Jesus

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Message 1297947 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 18:51:22 UTC - in response to Message 1297946.  

The Bible is loaded with contradictions, changes, forgeries, and misinformation. I strongly suggest some of Bart D. Ehrman's books. He is a biblical scholar, and spent his life learning ancient Greek, Aramic, and pouring over the oldest remnants of documents.

A very good book to start with is,
Misquoting Jesus

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Message 1297949 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 19:03:10 UTC - in response to Message 1297945.  

I've already read the Bible, both Old and New Testaments. In fact, I still have my copy. What makes you think that none of us have actually read the Bible in the first place?

And the answer is, if ET wrote the Bible, I would be disheartened by the state of the Universe and the lack of intelligent out there.

Yes, i assume most, if not the majority, of people here will have a rough outline of the bible stories from their childhood. But that doesn't count! Children can't tell the difference!

I never read the bible until very recently. I have a vague recollection of the biblical stories from my early childhood, maybe i heard them in primary school or something, i don't really remember. Maybe my mother read them too me or something.

When your very young, less than about 13 years of age, you have no way of knowing if the information your are being taught in school or church is correct information. You just accept whatever they tell you. If they teach you that Casper the ghost created the universe, children just accept it, they don't know the difference. So if they taught you the bible stories, you had no way of making a proper judgement about the information while you were very young.

So the only way of knowing if the information was correct, is to re-read the information again when your an adult. When you re-read the information again with a mature educated mind, only then can you properly evaluate the information.

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Message 1297956 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 19:28:06 UTC - in response to Message 1297949.  

So the only way of knowing if the information was correct, is to re-read the information again when your an adult. When you re-read the information again with a mature educated mind, only then can you properly evaluate the information.


I read it as recently as three years ago. The more educated I get, the more I get angry with what is in the Bible, especially the Old Testament. As someone else once put it, "The most damning evidence of the Bible is reading the Bible itself". This person recommended anyone who was interested to read the Bible for themselves to know exactly messed up it is. I fully recommend the same, as I agree with you that people most often are introduced to religion through their upbringing, never knowing to question what they're told and never knowing the full story.

One caveat is that I suggest that no one be allowed to read it with a specific interpretation, but to interpret for themselves what they think it means. Most people, if they read the Bible, would become horrified by what they read, just like I was.
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Message 1297960 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 19:46:57 UTC - in response to Message 1297956.  

like the rape pillaging and genocide that occurred in the name of god. Sounds shockingly familar to modern times. It seems the more things change the more they stay the same


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Message 1297962 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 19:54:06 UTC - in response to Message 1297960.  

like the rape pillaging and genocide that occurred in the name of god. Sounds shockingly familar to modern times. It seems the more things change the more they stay the same


Exactly, so it doesn't say much for the bible then does it?
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Message 1297963 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 19:59:47 UTC - in response to Message 1297962.  
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like the rape pillaging and genocide that occurred in the name of god. Sounds shockingly familar to modern times. It seems the more things change the more they stay the same


Exactly, so it doesn't say much for the bible then does it?

It really makes me wonder why anyone worships it in the first place. You can add incest, sodomy, and rule by fear and intimidation to the content. God creating horrific acts, like torturing Joeb, killing his family just to get a rise out of him. Any modern person would be given a death sentence for a tiny fraction of what God is said to have done.

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Edit: God even had to torture and kill his own son just to make a point, that in the long run changed nothing.
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Message 1297967 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 20:39:50 UTC - in response to Message 1297963.  
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like the rape pillaging and genocide that occurred in the name of god. Sounds shockingly familar to modern times. It seems the more things change the more they stay the same


Exactly, so it doesn't say much for the bible then does it?

It really makes me wonder why anyone worships it in the first place. You can add incest, sodomy, and rule by fear and intimidation to the content. God creating horrific acts, like torturing Joeb, killing his family just to get a rise out of him. Any modern person would be given a death sentence for a tiny fraction of what God is said to have done.

Steve

Edit: God even had to torture and kill his own son just to make a point, that in the long run changed nothing.


[ETA]Encouraging[/ETA] Cannibalism is my favorite.

[ETA]Matthew 26:26 “Take, eat, this is my body.” ... 26:27 - 26:28 “Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood”[/ETA]
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1298001 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 22:52:06 UTC
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I agree with almost everything said here. The bible is a violent book. Many of the stories are not pretty. The bible is very graphic.

Look i think it was Ancient Aliens TV show suggesting that the book of Ezekiel described a UFO that started me reading the bible again. I never would have read it otherwise. But the book of Ezekiel really does sound like some type of UFO. And so do many of the other bible stories, they sound like ET encounters. All the bible stories start to make sense if this guy called "God" is not God, but a human scientist "playing God" with the people down in the middle east.

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Message 1298008 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 23:15:48 UTC - in response to Message 1298001.  

I agree with almost everything said here. The bible is a violent book. Many of the stories are not pretty. The bible is very graphic.

Look i think it was Ancient Aliens TV show suggesting that the book of Ezekiel described a UFO that started me reading the bible again. I never would have read it otherwise. But the book of Ezekiel really does sound like some type of UFO. And so do many of the other bible stories, they sound like ET encounters. All the bible stories start to make sense if this guy called "God" is not God, but a human scientist "playing God" with the people down in the middle east.

John.

There have been many, many religions that are completely different over a very long time, and different continents. Polytheism vs monotheism. Each with a completely different view, and each ready to kill to defend their beliefs. None of them stand up to any serious scrutiny.

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Message 1298010 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 23:20:04 UTC - in response to Message 1298001.  

I disagree. I think suggesting that aliens are the basis of the stories of the Bible make even less sense. Sure, you could take pieces of the book and interpret them to sound like it was ancient aliens, but there are so many holes in that theory that it just doesn't hold water. You can keep forcing the stories to make sense by picking and choosing what you want to support your theory, but this is the exact opposite of science, which is to let the data bring you to the conclusion.
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Message 1298011 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 23:24:21 UTC - in response to Message 1297963.  

like the rape pillaging and genocide that occurred in the name of god. Sounds shockingly familar to modern times. It seems the more things change the more they stay the same


Exactly, so it doesn't say much for the bible then does it?

It really makes me wonder why anyone worships it in the first place. You can add incest, sodomy, and rule by fear and intimidation to the content. God creating horrific acts, like torturing Joeb, killing his family just to get a rise out of him. Any modern person would be given a death sentence for a tiny fraction of what God is said to have done.

Steve

Edit: God even had to torture and kill his own son just to make a point, that in the long run changed nothing.


When you go on like this, you'll think you can add just about anything.
Where did you find in The Bible that sodomy is ok? I suspect you found no such thing, not even a change in opinion (what to punish for, and what is a suitable punishment may likely have changed in other cases).
I mean, you know the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, don't you?
You do realize the people of Sodom were being punished for sodomy, do you not?
Then again, Guy will wonder in here and accuse the NARW and LGBTs of thinking sodomy is a-ok.
Last: it? So, you have the mistaken impression that people are worshiping the book? Certainly, your "it" follows the last proper noun in the quote just above your opening sentence.
Of the things stated here today, I find myself most closely aligned to OzzFan, at least with regards to the Old Testament, much as he also finds the most horrifying things there.
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Message 1298012 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 23:24:48 UTC - in response to Message 1298010.  

+1.

If the bible was written by or about aliens, surely it would have been more coherent than what it is. Aliens travelling to our solar system would be intelligent enough in not making their "book" too obscure!
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Message 1298013 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 23:34:32 UTC - in response to Message 1298011.  
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like the rape pillaging and genocide that occurred in the name of god. Sounds shockingly familar to modern times. It seems the more things change the more they stay the same


Exactly, so it doesn't say much for the bible then does it?

It really makes me wonder why anyone worships it in the first place. You can add incest, sodomy, and rule by fear and intimidation to the content. God creating horrific acts, like torturing Joeb, killing his family just to get a rise out of him. Any modern person would be given a death sentence for a tiny fraction of what God is said to have done.

Steve

Edit: God even had to torture and kill his own son just to make a point, that in the long run changed nothing.


When you go on like this, you'll think you can add just about anything.
Where did you find in The Bible that sodomy is ok? I suspect you found no such thing, not even a change in opinion (what to punish for, and what is a suitable punishment may likely have changed in other cases).
I mean, you know the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, don't you?
You do realize the people of Sodom were being punished for sodomy, do you not?
Then again, Guy will wonder in here and accuse the NARW and LGBTs of thinking sodomy is a-ok.
Last: it? So, you have the mistaken impression that people are worshiping the book? Certainly, your "it" follows the last proper noun in the quote just above your opening sentence.
Of the things stated here today, I find myself most closely aligned to OzzFan, at least with regards to the Old Testament, much as he also finds the most horrifying things there.

I'm not sayinbg the bible said anything is OK, only that it is mentioned, and part of the story. No, I also did not mean they are worshipping the book, only what it stands for. My wording was not as accurate as I had wished.

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Message 1298018 - Posted: 23 Oct 2012, 0:00:13 UTC - in response to Message 1298010.  

I disagree. I think suggesting that aliens are the basis of the stories of the Bible make even less sense. Sure, you could take pieces of the book and interpret them to sound like it was ancient aliens, but there are so many holes in that theory that it just doesn't hold water. You can keep forcing the stories to make sense by picking and choosing what you want to support your theory, but this is the exact opposite of science, which is to let the data bring you to the conclusion.

The "data" has led me to the conclusion that evolution theory is not the full story. And the "data" also tells me that the biblical story is also not the full picture.

As far as i'm concerned;
The Bible is not the complete story
and
Darwinian evolution theory is not the complete story

The "scientific community" don't have the full story. And neither do the "religious community".

The case is not closed until we thoroughly investigate ALL possibilities using the best science we have. And yes, that means using science to investigate biblical stories. Its the only way to know the truth.

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Message 1298020 - Posted: 23 Oct 2012, 0:02:07 UTC - in response to Message 1298001.  
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I agree with almost everything said here. The bible is a violent book. Many of the stories are not pretty. The bible is very graphic.

Look i think it was Ancient Aliens TV show suggesting that the book of Ezekiel described a UFO that started me reading the bible again. I never would have read it otherwise. But the book of Ezekiel really does sound like some type of UFO. And so do many of the other bible stories, they sound like ET encounters. All the bible stories start to make sense if this guy called "God" is not God, but a human scientist "playing God" with the people down in the middle east.

John.


What if "alien abduction" is an explicable part of human psychology, and the bible stories you refer to are little more than ancient examples of this human psychology?
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1298031 - Posted: 23 Oct 2012, 0:31:28 UTC - in response to Message 1298018.  
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The "data" has led me to the conclusion that evolution theory is not the full story.


Perhaps you've misunderstood the data, or you don't have all the pieces of information.

Darwinian evolution theory is not the complete story


Darwinian Evolution is the best approximation of the events to our current level of understanding. If there's something you don't understand, I'm sure there's plenty of people that can help you out with that.

The case is not closed until we thoroughly investigate ALL possibilities using the best science we have. And yes, that means using science to investigate biblical stories. Its the only way to know the truth.


Agreed. And you start narrowing down the possibilities by carefully examining all evidence until you can come to the best approximation. This is what Evolution Theory is.
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Message 1298033 - Posted: 23 Oct 2012, 0:33:02 UTC

Agreed. And you start narrowing down the possibilities by carefully examining all evidence until you can come to the best approximation. This is what Evolution Theory is.


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