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Message 1294687 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 10:15:53 UTC - in response to Message 1294477.  
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That has always been postulated Robert, that if there were ET visitations in the past then apart from the locals trying to record that for posterity, you would think that they would leave some sort of message that would only be found when that society was sufficiently advanced to recognise it.

The old favourite was a marker of the far side of the moon which wouldn't be found until an unmanned probe went by at the earliest. Haven't found one yet. Parking something at one of the Le Grange points L1 or L2 is another, but we would have found that by now. Ancient stone buildings really don't cut it, nor do religious books, or Kilroy was 'ere type of stuff.

So what would they likely have left as a message, and one that apparently we haven't found yet?

Chris,
Why are the 150 Pyramids down in Egypt not proof that someone was here in the past doing something suspicious?

Remember Chris, no Pharaoh was ever found in a pyramid, so they don't know what the pyramids were built for, yet! ALL the Pharaohs were buried in the valley of the Kings, and carefully "preserved" so at a future date, DNA samples could be extracted and they could be cloned and brought back to life. The Pharaohs WILL live again. And when we clone the Pharaohs, people will revere them and treat them like Kings. They will be Kings again, and they will rule Egypt again!

THE PROOF IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, if you just wake up and open your eyes!

John.


Really? Are you saying Tut was not found? Are you saying Tut was found outside his pyramid?
And you claimed before that no pyramid was entered before 1900, yet others say that they'd be looted for centuries, and Jedifray's was looted perhaps the most, when Romans actually took it apart, largely, stone by stone, to use the stones for other purposes.

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What are you talking about? I never said king tut was not found.

I said the Pharaohs, including king tut were all burried in the valley of the kings, which is where king tut was found. King Tut was not burried in a pyramid.

And no, i never claimed that nobody entered the pyramids before 1900. Don't know where you got that from. Are you confusing me with some other post your read?

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Message 1294690 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 10:24:03 UTC - in response to Message 1294647.  

Writing the bible would make ET a liar.

Renee why do you say that?

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Message 1294844 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 16:20:03 UTC - in response to Message 1294741.  

I do agree with Johnney and think that there is enough evidence to give some credence to the possibility that ET was here in the past. I think that maybe the last time was about 11,000-14,000 BC and maybe millions of years before that as well. Apparently there are genuine ribbed sole imprints in coal seams millions of years old. But most certainly they were not here 4004BC genetically engineering mankind.


Those sole imprints have been thoroughly debunked and regarded as hoaxes or simply bad archaeology.

A ‘footprint’ from the Gobi Desert

The Fisher Canyon ‘footprint’

The Antelope Springs ‘footprint’

Johnney asserts that Einstein was completely wrong and that he knows better. He says that black holes don't exist. He says there is no such thing as dark matter. He says that he has researched all this, teaching himself, without a basic uni degree or a PhD, and that scientists are making fundamental mistakes. How likely is it that some non-scientist guy from rural Ireland can be right and the whole of the rest of the world be wrong?


Well, because he sez so! He doesn't have to provide evidence for his claims because God told him so! Millions of sophisticated, intelligent people are wrong because Johnney has it all figured out, and he'll reveal it in the next few years.

All you have to do is just tell everyone that what they think they know is wrong, and repeat it several times until you've convinced even yourself that you have it right. Eventually the gullible and naive will follow.

Its about to happen in the next few years.

1? 5? 20? 50? You can't or won't give an answer because you don't know yourself.

You clearly have a thinking brain within your head but it is running round in circles and not making much sense to the rest of us. So, Johnney, where else have you postulated your ideas and prophecies? Just only in Seti Politics, where you know it is basically anonymous and there is no real life comeback. Or stood on a street corner proclaiming the end of the world is nigh? Written to the local paper etc etc ?


No, he's tried to get published in official rags. He's not the first loon that's tried to get their religion - I mean scientific findings published in a scientific rag. Those elitist scientists rejected his work because he doesn't show a measurable expertise in his field of study, of which he claims he has, and why would he lie? Certainly he's not allowed himself to be misled!

So what is it?

You drink too much Guinness?
You are a religious zealot?
You are an eccentric?
You are in need of counseling?


All of the above.
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Message 1294847 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 16:22:23 UTC - in response to Message 1294687.  

I said the Pharaohs, including king tut were all burried in the valley of the kings, which is where king tut was found. King Tut was not burried in a pyramid.

And no, i never claimed that nobody entered the pyramids before 1900. Don't know where you got that from. Are you confusing me with some other post your read?

John.


Are you adding archaeology to the list of subjects that you profess to have a deep understanding? During what era(s) were the pyramids built? During what era(s) were Pharaohs entombed in the Valley of the Kings?
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1294863 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 17:05:25 UTC - in response to Message 1294741.  
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Johnney asserts that Einstein was completely wrong and that he knows better. He says that black holes don't exist. He says there is no such thing as dark matter. He says that he has researched all this, teaching himself, without a basic uni degree or a PhD, and that scientists are making fundamental mistakes. How likely is it that some non-scientist guy from rural Ireland can be right and the whole of the rest of the world be wrong?

Chris,
I enjoyed reading that post. I will read it again because it was good. I might read it a few times. Its nice to get some real prospective on the way you think! I cant reply to all the points or i would be writing all day.

Chris that paragraph above, i'm just singling that one out.

Its funny Chris, it does seem really really unlikely that some very ordinary guy you met on an alien hunting forum would have made the discoveries i claim to have made. Doesn't it? It sounds like complete madness? To such an extent, the only reasonable conclusion you could draw is that Johnney Guinness is a bit of a lunatic. If Johnney Guinness is a lunatic, then everything makes sense! You could put the whole lots down to madness!

Think about it;
1. I claim to have an "old book" or "old books" written by the hand of God himself.
2. I claim to have solved ALL of the unsolved problems in physics and astronomy in one fowl swoop.

But!! there is something i have not discussed here before that explains all this;

Its possible, but i have no proof yet, that someone, or something, "external" to me is influencing the way i think. Its possible "someone" is "giving" me this information. But i have no proof of this. Its just a feeling. I feel like i am be influenced by someone that i cannot see. Someone is "guiding me" to find the right answers as i do the research. Its either that, or i'm very very clever. And i think i'm pretty average intelligence.

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Message 1294878 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 17:36:42 UTC - in response to Message 1294863.  

Sorry John, I think you need to buy a large container of tinfoil!
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Message 1294884 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 17:41:44 UTC - in response to Message 1294863.  

Its possible, but i have no proof yet, that someone, or something, "external" to me is influencing the way i think. Its possible "someone" is "giving" me this information. But i have no proof of this. Its just a feeling. I feel like i am be influenced by someone that i cannot see. Someone is "guiding me" to find the right answers as i do the research. Its either that, or i'm very very clever. And i think i'm pretty average intelligence.


Yes, that something is called confirmation bias. You've researched what you want to know by making the data fit your conclusions.

Based upon your preachings and your assertions, I see little difference between you and Harold Camping, other than you've thrown in a bit of alien conspiracy too.
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Message 1294890 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 17:48:03 UTC - in response to Message 1294878.  

Sorry John, I think you need to buy a large container of tinfoil!

Sirius,
Its ok, i have my hat made :)



John :)
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Message 1294896 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 17:49:47 UTC - in response to Message 1294884.  

Its possible, but i have no proof yet, that someone, or something, "external" to me is influencing the way i think. Its possible "someone" is "giving" me this information. But i have no proof of this. Its just a feeling. I feel like i am be influenced by someone that i cannot see. Someone is "guiding me" to find the right answers as i do the research. Its either that, or i'm very very clever. And i think i'm pretty average intelligence.


Yes, that something is called confirmation bias. You've researched what you want to know by making the data fit your conclusions.

Based upon your preachings and your assertions, I see little difference between you and Harold Camping, other than you've thrown in a bit of alien conspiracy too.

Comon Ozzfan,
I'm trying to spice up the story to keep you guys interested!

John :)
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Message 1294901 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 17:51:58 UTC - in response to Message 1294890.  

Sorry John, I think you need to buy a large container of tinfoil!

Sirius,
Its ok, i have my hat made :)



John :)


Well be careful touching that equipment...remember what happened to Johnny 5!
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Message 1294902 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 17:54:55 UTC
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Hmm.......
It seems that God made my soul conform to what His bible said.
Or, was it the other way around, as some of you ponder?
I think it was my soul that found it's way, not the Good Book.

It was always there for my perusal.

I guess I just always found enough references on the net from folks dissing it that I never had to pick up a hard copy.
God understands that. Moses understood that. Mel Brooks sure as hell understood it, and that's why his bit was such a hoot.
Even the avowed Godless Carlin knew about the commandments......
George's list......He whittled it down to two, plus an amendment.

And if in fact you forgot Mel's take...........
YES, I hear you, a deaf man could hear you........
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Message 1294905 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 17:58:58 UTC - in response to Message 1294899.  

@Ozzfan - I have called his bluff - we will see .....


Chris,
How have you called my bluff?

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Message 1294907 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 18:04:38 UTC - in response to Message 1294905.  

@Ozzfan - I have called his bluff - we will see .....


Chris,
How have you called my bluff?

John.

He called him Blurf?
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Message 1294935 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 19:47:36 UTC
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The cosmos is very big and space is very empty, so the probability of making contact with an ET is very remote. Isn't it..........

Then there is the question of who made who that I WILL always come back to. The First Mover had to have made the Universe. Since it would appear that we are the only ones who occupy this verse who made us?

Life is also not by chance. Prove it and I'll eat that tinfoil hat.

Prove multiverses and I'll eat that tinfoil hat.
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Message 1294952 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 20:28:12 UTC - in response to Message 1294935.  

Then there is the question of who made who that I WILL always come back to. The First Mover had to have made the Universe. Since it would appear that we are the only ones who occupy this verse who made us?

Life is also not by chance. Prove it and I'll eat that tinfoil hat.

Prove multiverses and I'll eat that tinfoil hat.


Again, you lack an understanding of the scientific process. There must be evidence of this 'Mover' before we can attribute life to it. Until then, chance is the only explanation that doesn't require belief in a hypothesis without evidence. And again, you've already provided the odds that however remote, there is a chance that it can happen.
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Message 1294964 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 21:04:10 UTC - in response to Message 1294936.  

Chris,
How have you called my bluff?

By inviting you to come over to England and proclaim your views at Hyde Park Corner. Are you going to do it?

I done it already Chris :)

Back in the early 1990's, i made my first trip to London. On my first night in a city i wasn't familiar with, me and my mate went to the pub to meet other friends that we were supposed to stay with. Well the other friends never turned up so me and my mate went out drinking and night-clubbing anyway. We ended up with two Spanish girls and we had no choice but to sleep rough near Hyde Park Corner. So i did some preaching with the Spanish girl, but we weren't discussing God :)

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Message 1294968 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 21:09:15 UTC - in response to Message 1294964.  
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Chris,
How have you called my bluff?

By inviting you to come over to England and proclaim your views at Hyde Park Corner. Are you going to do it?

I done it already Chris :)

Back in the early 1990's, i made my first trip to London. On my first night in a city i wasn't familiar with, me and my mate went to the pub to meet other friends that we were supposed to stay with. Well the other friends never turned up so me and my mate went out drinking and night-clubbing anyway. We ended up with two Spanish girls and we had no choice but to sleep rough near Hyde Park Corner. So i did some preaching with the Spanish girl, but we weren't discussing God :)

John.
You spoke Spanish?


Something tells me you might have been speaking a little French.
I have been known to be a bit bilingual myself at times.
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Message 1295024 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 23:50:21 UTC - in response to Message 1294968.  
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Chris,
How have you called my bluff?

By inviting you to come over to England and proclaim your views at Hyde Park Corner. Are you going to do it?

I done it already Chris :)

Back in the early 1990's, i made my first trip to London. On my first night in a city i wasn't familiar with, me and my mate went to the pub to meet other friends that we were supposed to stay with. Well the other friends never turned up so me and my mate went out drinking and night-clubbing anyway. We ended up with two Spanish girls and we had no choice but to sleep rough near Hyde Park Corner. So i did some preaching with the Spanish girl, but we weren't discussing God :)

John.
You spoke Spanish?

I spoke gibberish Mark, i was drunk!

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Message 1295042 - Posted: 14 Oct 2012, 1:49:55 UTC - in response to Message 1295024.  

I spoke gibberish Mark.


Surely the word is "speak" rather than "spoke"?
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1297941 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 18:22:25 UTC

Interesting story Chris.
Thanks for the link!

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