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Message 1293880 - Posted: 11 Oct 2012, 17:40:38 UTC - in response to Message 1293870.

Why the bible then? There are older texts.

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Why the Bible?
Because its the book that has dominated the western world for the last few thousand years. If you lived in an Islamic country, i would referencing from the Koran. If lived in a Hindu country, i might be referencing from the Bhagavad Gita.

Its all the same people, they all worked under one central government. Just they gave different texts to different peoples living in different parts of the world.

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John, this is chuckle worthy.
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Message 1293887 - Posted: 11 Oct 2012, 18:07:40 UTC - in response to Message 1293877.
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If that was true, then they must have had an ulterior motive for doing so as your statement stands, it doesn't make sense as to why.

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They originally came here to Earth as groups, 7 different groups that all worked independently from each other. These are the 7 races of peoples on Earth today. They all knew what each of the other groups were doing, but they still worked independently from each other. But they kept in close contact.

The 7 "teams" spread out around the planet on different continents. They spent thousands of years carrying out genetic engineering experiments. First they created simple life forms, then more complex multicellular life, then all the varieties of plants and animals we see today. This happened roughly between 20,000 BC and 4,000 BC.

Then, in the year 4,004 BC, they genetically engineered "Adam" and put him in a garden in the East, east of Jerusalem, now modern day Iraq. They genetically engineered Adam from their own genes. But they are immortal, so they made modifications to their own genes so that Adam would not be immortal. Adam, and all of his progeny, would live mortal lives and die. They gave Adam a lifespan of about 1,000 years, and as the Bible says, Adam lived to about 960 years of age before he died. As the Bible says, they also took one of Adams ribs and genetically engineered Eve.

The Book of Genesis gives the genealogy of about the first 20 or so generations of children of Adam. And sure enough, as the generations progressed, the lifespans of each successive generation got shorter. So after a few generations, the human lifespan dropped to below 120 years of age.

After the Biblical flood, they dispersed the population across the face of the earth, this is why we have so many different languages today. Originally there was only one language. Because of the language difference, they gave different people different books to let them know what happened to them. These books are all the religions we know today around the world.

And by the way, they never left, they have always been with us.

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Message 1293892 - Posted: 11 Oct 2012, 18:31:57 UTC - in response to Message 1293887.

You really have to stop reading "Mission Earth".
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Message 1293899 - Posted: 11 Oct 2012, 19:02:31 UTC

Then, in the year 4,004 BC, they genetically engineered "Adam" and put him in a garden in the East, east of Jerusalem, now modern day Iraq. They genetically engineered Adam from their own genes.

That simply won't wash Johnney. Modern man or Homo Sapiens has been around for 50,000 years. So you tell me where this 4004 BC date comes from, just because it says so in an ancient book?

Cave men 50,000BC
Stone Age 30,000BC
Copper age 7000BC
Bronze age 3000 BC
Iron Age 1500 BC

Hardly any of them could have carried out genetic engineering on the scales you suggest. ET may well have had a hand in this planet, but it sure as hell wasn't 5000 years ago!!



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Message 1293900 - Posted: 11 Oct 2012, 19:06:12 UTC - in response to Message 1293887.

If that was true, then they must have had an ulterior motive for doing so as your statement stands, it doesn't make sense as to why.

Sirius,
They originally came here to Earth as groups, 7 different groups that all worked independently from each other. These are the 7 races of peoples on Earth today. They all knew what each of the other groups were doing, but they still worked independently from each other. But they kept in close contact.

The 7 "teams" spread out around the planet on different continents. They spent thousands of years carrying out genetic engineering experiments. First they created simple life forms, then more complex multicellular life, then all the varieties of plants and animals we see today. This happened roughly between 20,000 BC and 4,000 BC.

Then, in the year 4,004 BC, they genetically engineered "Adam" and put him in a garden in the East, east of Jerusalem, now modern day Iraq. They genetically engineered Adam from their own genes. But they are immortal, so they made modifications to their own genes so that Adam would not be immortal. Adam, and all of his progeny, would live mortal lives and die. They gave Adam a lifespan of about 1,000 years, and as the Bible says, Adam lived to about 960 years of age before he died. As the Bible says, they also took one of Adams ribs and genetically engineered Eve.

The Book of Genesis gives the genealogy of about the first 20 or so generations of children of Adam. And sure enough, as the generations progressed, the lifespans of each successive generation got shorter. So after a few generations, the human lifespan dropped to below 120 years of age.

After the Biblical flood, they dispersed the population across the face of the earth, this is why we have so many different languages today. Originally there was only one language. Because of the language difference, they gave different people different books to let them know what happened to them. These books are all the religions we know today around the world.

And by the way, they never left, they have always been with us.

John.


When did they bury the fossils indicating life on Earth started before 20,000 BCE?
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Message 1294002 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 1:51:11 UTC
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I've already read the bible (KV version0, albeit many many years ago.

Wasn't terribly impressed. If it turns out that aliens wrote that racist, misogynistic, homophobic, hate filled piece crap then I'd be mostly disappointed and depressed.
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Message 1294011 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 2:23:33 UTC

My Bible is sexier than ETs Bible. ;)

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Message 1294025 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 3:06:44 UTC

Sex is supposed to be a "sin".

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Message 1294029 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 3:34:11 UTC

Why wouldn't they throw in a few tidbits of information that would speak to the future readers of this book?
Instead of spending so much time covering topics such as how to treat slaves or how a brother must marry his dead brother's wife if they never conceived a son, why not drop some interstellar navigation rules or advanced computer modelling?
The goat herders of the time wouldn't have known what the hell was being shown, so it wouldn't have had any affect on them, but we would know that an advanced mind was at work.
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Message 1294090 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 8:31:16 UTC - in response to Message 1293899.

Then, in the year 4,004 BC, they genetically engineered "Adam" and put him in a garden in the East, east of Jerusalem, now modern day Iraq. They genetically engineered Adam from their own genes.

That simply won't wash Johnney. Modern man or Homo Sapiens has been around for 50,000 years. So you tell me where this 4004 BC date comes from, just because it says so in an ancient book?

Cave men 50,000BC
Stone Age 30,000BC
Copper age 7000BC
Bronze age 3000 BC
Iron Age 1500 BC

Hardly any of them could have carried out genetic engineering on the scales you suggest. ET may well have had a hand in this planet, but it sure as hell wasn't 5000 years ago!!

Chris, Hmmmmmm.... You've been watching evolution programs on the TV again, now haven't you?

Chris, you need to make a clear distinction between very clever human beings, and some type of semi intelligent Neanderthal ape that might have existed in the distant past. This distinction can be made when you see evidence for truly monumental carved stone structures. There is a gigantic leap forward in technology if your carving monumental stone structures. One of the oldest is Göbekli Tepe in modern day Turkey at 10,000 BC. There are several more from this era.

Göbekli Tepe in Turkey - 10,000 B.C
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

Now one thing is very very clear, there was nothing primitive about the people who built Göbekli Tepe in Turkey. They still don't know what it was built for. And as usual, archaeologists say "they" were doing something "religious". Archaeologists always say "they were doing something religious" when they can't explain the structure.

So that is where i get my date of 10,000 BC. These people who built Göbekli Tepe in Turkey are not the same as us human beings today. They were immortal scientists that came here to Earth to do genetic engineering. There is nothing alien about them. As the Bible says, "Let us make Man in our image, and in our likeness". So they look just like us!

The date of 4,004 BC is common knowledge. Its taken from the Ussher chronology, a commonly accepted date for the creation of Adam and its derived from the genealogy on the book of Genesis.

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Message 1294094 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 8:42:03 UTC - in response to Message 1294090.

The bible states that Adam was the First man, so how is it that neanderthal man appeared on the planet up to 230,000 years ago?

Doesn't that show the errors in the bible?
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Message 1294095 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 8:44:08 UTC - in response to Message 1294002.
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I've already read the bible (KV version0, albeit many many years ago.

Wasn't terribly impressed. If it turns out that aliens wrote that racist, misogynistic, homophobic, hate filled piece crap then I'd be mostly disappointed and depressed.

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Would you? Yes, your description sounds accurate. The Old Testament Bible is full to the brim with really terrible stuff. Its very violent, full of killing and Genocide. After all, if God really did flood the world, then today we would call this Genocide because he killed everyone except Noah. And the nuclear explosion at Sodom and Gomorrah would also be classed as Genocide. And it was God that committed both these acts of Genocide. Today we would try God in the Hague, the Netherlands, in the International Criminal Court.

So in my mind, God sounds just like any of the human generals, army leaders, kings, presidents, and tribal warlords that have slaughtered millions of people throughout human history. Our leaders do this stuff today!! In the last 100 years, we have had 2 world wars, Hitler gassed 6 million Jews, and the Americans detonated 2 nuclear bombs in Japan.

In my mind, God sounds just like us. God sound human!

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Message 1294099 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 8:49:54 UTC

That has always been postulated Robert, that if there were ET visitations in the past then apart from the locals trying to record that for posterity, you would think that they would leave some sort of message that would only be found when that society was sufficiently advanced to recognise it.

The old favourite was a marker of the far side of the moon which wouldn't be found until an unmanned probe went by at the earliest. Haven't found one yet. Parking something at one of the Le Grange points L1 or L2 is another, but we would have found that by now. Ancient stone buildings really don't cut it, nor do religious books, or Kilroy was 'ere type of stuff.

So what would they likely have left as a message, and one that apparently we haven't found yet?

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Message 1294100 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 8:53:04 UTC - in response to Message 1294029.

Why wouldn't they throw in a few tidbits of information that would speak to the future readers of this book?
Instead of spending so much time covering topics such as how to treat slaves or how a brother must marry his dead brother's wife if they never conceived a son, why not drop some interstellar navigation rules or advanced computer modelling?
The goat herders of the time wouldn't have known what the hell was being shown, so it wouldn't have had any affect on them, but we would know that an advanced mind was at work.

Robert,
The Bible is full of advanced stuff. Just read Book of Ezekiel and you have a perfect description of an advanced flying machine coming down out of the sky with "God" seated in the cockpit. Then he gets out of the flying machine and "talks" to Ezekiel. There are hundreds more examples just like that. You just have to "read between the lines". You have to read the book like a scientist, instead of like some adoring moron.

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Message 1294102 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 8:56:13 UTC - in response to Message 1294094.

The bible states that Adam was the First man, so how is it that neanderthal man appeared on the planet up to 230,000 years ago?

Doesn't that show the errors in the bible?

Sirius,
Yes, Adam was the first "human being". The books also says that "they" were creating "other plants and animals" before Adam. So whatever fossil your referring to that is 230,000 years old, is from a different epoch.

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Message 1294104 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 8:59:50 UTC - in response to Message 1294100.

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instead of like some adoring moron.

John.


So John, explain why Ireland were full of morons right up to the 1970's by being lead by the pope, the King of Morons?
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Message 1294108 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 9:05:38 UTC - in response to Message 1294099.

That has always been postulated Robert, that if there were ET visitations in the past then apart from the locals trying to record that for posterity, you would think that they would leave some sort of message that would only be found when that society was sufficiently advanced to recognise it.

The old favourite was a marker of the far side of the moon which wouldn't be found until an unmanned probe went by at the earliest. Haven't found one yet. Parking something at one of the Le Grange points L1 or L2 is another, but we would have found that by now. Ancient stone buildings really don't cut it, nor do religious books, or Kilroy was 'ere type of stuff.

So what would they likely have left as a message, and one that apparently we haven't found yet?

Chris,
Why are the 150 Pyramids down in Egypt not proof that someone was here in the past doing something suspicious?

Remember Chris, no Pharaoh was ever found in a pyramid, so they don't know what the pyramids were built for, yet! ALL the Pharaohs were buried in the valley of the Kings, and carefully "preserved" so at a future date, DNA samples could be extracted and they could be cloned and brought back to life. The Pharaohs WILL live again. And when we clone the Pharaohs, people will revere them and treat them like Kings. They will be Kings again, and they will rule Egypt again!

THE PROOF IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, if you just wake up and open your eyes!

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Message 1294112 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 9:26:52 UTC

The 'bible' has obviously been contributed to, edited by, and abused by countless for many years. Some swear by it, many are forced to swear upon it, as the gospel from some years gone by.

I have not read the bible much ever......

I know what my beliefs are, and any debate about some such will fall upon dear ears.

I only know what I was taught from youth, and that has been reinforced by certain events in my lifetime. I have drawn upon them, and realized that there is a higher power that has ruled over me and has granted me some very special grants of His power when things got really bad in my life.

You can believe this or diss it, as it your want/.

I don't care. Because I believe.

What some of you have missed is that belief does not need proof, quantification, or qualification. It simply IS.

We could go on forever on this subject, but.............
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Message 1294118 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 10:00:58 UTC

Chris, Why are the 150 Pyramids down in Egypt not proof that someone was here in the past doing something suspicious?

Remember Chris, no Pharaoh was ever found in a pyramid, so they don't know what the pyramids were built for, yet! ALL the Pharaohs were buried in the valley of the Kings, and carefully "preserved" so at a future date, DNA samples could be extracted and they could be cloned and brought back to life. The Pharaohs WILL live again. And when we clone the Pharaohs, people will revere them and treat them like Kings. They will be Kings again, and they will rule Egypt again!

THE PROOF IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, if you just wake up and open your eyes!

No-one was doing anything suspicious! The Egyptians believed that their gods came from the stars, specifically Sirius the star of Isis. And that if they followed certain burial rules they would be raised from the dead in an afterlife to live for ever. The Pharaoh was entombed with mummification and various artifacts that they and their servants believed that they would need in this afterlife. Jars of unguents, personal possessions etc.

The pyramids were built firstly as a memorial to a particular ruler, and secondly as an aerial marker for the gods return, to locate and resurrect them. Hence the co-ordinates of the pyramids locations and orientation. The ruler was buried elsewhere to avoid grave robbers, and presumably a clue was left as to their real location.

DNA samples could be extracted and they could be cloned and brought back to life. The Pharaohs WILL live again. And when we clone the Pharaohs, people will revere them and treat them like Kings. They will be Kings again, and they will rule Egypt again!

That is just fanciful conjecture on your part Johnney. We will not be cloning ancient Pharaohs to rule Egypt again, I can assure you of that!

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Message 1294121 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 10:16:23 UTC - in response to Message 1294118.
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Chris, Why are the 150 Pyramids down in Egypt not proof that someone was here in the past doing something suspicious?

Remember Chris, no Pharaoh was ever found in a pyramid, so they don't know what the pyramids were built for, yet! ALL the Pharaohs were buried in the valley of the Kings, and carefully "preserved" so at a future date, DNA samples could be extracted and they could be cloned and brought back to life. The Pharaohs WILL live again. And when we clone the Pharaohs, people will revere them and treat them like Kings. They will be Kings again, and they will rule Egypt again!

THE PROOF IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, if you just wake up and open your eyes!

No-one was doing anything suspicious! The Egyptians believed that their gods came from the stars, specifically Sirius the star of Isis. And that if they followed certain burial rules they would be raised from the dead in an afterlife to live for ever. The Pharaoh was entombed with mummification and various artifacts that they and their servants believed that they would need in this afterlife. Jars of unguents, personal possessions etc.

The pyramids were built firstly as a memorial to a particular ruler, and secondly as an aerial marker for the gods return, to locate and resurrect them. Hence the co-ordinates of the pyramids locations and orientation. The ruler was buried elsewhere to avoid grave robbers, and presumably a clue was left as to their real location.

DNA samples could be extracted and they could be cloned and brought back to life. The Pharaohs WILL live again. And when we clone the Pharaohs, people will revere them and treat them like Kings. They will be Kings again, and they will rule Egypt again!

That is just fanciful conjecture on your part Johnney. We will not be cloning ancient Pharaohs to rule Egypt again, I can assure you of that!


Hmmmmmm....Chris,
I would say the opposite. I would say that what you said is conjecture.

Chris tell me why you think the scientists who work in universities in Egypt
today won't try to clone the Pharaohs? To me, this seems obvious! Its inevitable!

John.

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