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Thats another thread.

Still relevant. I mean how can one get on a high horse, knock another country's issues, while theirs is a laughing stock?

Still hilarious!

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It is unfortunate that most countries, especially the powerful ones (depends on your chosen moment in history) have atrocities against their name in conflict situations. That is whether it is on topic for the thread or pointing to other conflicts and recalling atrocities as a "you are just as bad as us" basis.

Personally I would rather see history become just that, and, like most other past 20 years or more, le ft in the past.

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Exactly, still hilarious though.....

...just can't stop laughing....



"If Romney brings that bird up just one more time, he'll feel the weight of this...."

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Just to get things going again.

With the help of hindsight, maybe colonialism, by neary all european countries was not the best idea.

But going by the thread title, British Colonialism.
Was Britain that bad compared to other countries? My first thought here is the Belgian Congo.

Was British Colonialism a deliberate government policy?
If you look at the East India Company and the infamous south African exploiters, Rhodes et al. Colonialism was probably a by product of a desire to protect questionable business interests.

Also you have to ask the question if Britain had not been defending the business interests in India from the French who wanted to take over in that part of the world. Would the USA be an independent country?

And to follow on from the USA thought, could the present day troubles in Africa be a result of post WW2 American presure on Britain and the other Europeans to get out of Africa.

And how well is Liberia getting on?

And just to finish up, although the US doesn't have a Colonial policy as such. Doesn't the US try to control things in other countries a little too much by exporting US brands and trying to push the American way of life too much.

Why in Afganistan do the US authorities now try to teach the locals about American anti-social traits and ask the locals to accept them after failing to get the US Military to respect local customs.

Just like the Yanks did in Vietnam when they were slaughtering the population, who did not want them there. But, the efforts to get the great God democracy and those Commies out means no one listened.

Good job their hand was forced by the numbers of America's youth heading for Canada, etc, to avoid "doing their duty". Good soldiers lead by clods for Generals and rabid politicians.

Seems the lesson has yet to be learnt with Iraq, Afghanistan (caused by the CIA wanting the Russians out) and the noises being made over Iran.

If Iraq had been left alone there would be no problem with Iran, as they both hated each other and were an equal balance of disgusting power.

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And just to finish up, although the US doesn't have a Colonial policy as such. Doesn't the US try to control things in other countries a little too much by exporting US brands and trying to push the American way of life too much.

Are you suggesting the US Government is forcing the export of US brands? That this isn't the result of pure capitalistic greed? BTW a Corporation lobbing the government for a subsidy they get to use is capitalistic greed. Of course if you believe corporations are the government, that is a different thread.

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And just to finish up, although the US doesn't have a Colonial policy as such. Doesn't the US try to control things in other countries a little too much by exporting US brands and trying to push the American way of life too much.

Are you suggesting the US Government is forcing the export of US brands?

I wouldn't say forcing, but it probably is encouraging.

That this isn't the result of pure capitalistic greed?

Probably.

BTW a Corporation lobbing the government for a subsidy they get to use is capitalistic greed.

Probably a lot of that going on, we all know how hard the lobbyists work;-)

Of course if you believe corporations are the government, that is a different thread.

You said that, not me.

And just to finish up, although the US doesn't have a Colonial policy as such. Doesn't the US try to control things in other countries a little too much by exporting US brands and trying to push the American way of life too much.

Are you suggesting the US Government is forcing the export of US brands?

I wouldn't say forcing, but it probably is encouraging.

More than just attempting to bring trade into balance?
http://www.census.gov/indicator/www/ustrade.html

That this isn't the result of pure capitalistic greed?

Probably.

Is this somehow more than what the rest of the world does? Or why are we singling out the USA? Is Madison Avenue that advanced?

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Is this somehow more than what the rest of the world does? Or why are we singling out the USA? Is Madison Avenue that advanced?

Ah, the shoe's on the other foot now is it? As the OP, you singled out Britain!

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Is this somehow more than what the rest of the world does? Or why are we singling out the USA? Is Madison Avenue that advanced?

Ah, the shoe's on the other foot now is it? As the OP, you singled out Britain!

Sirius can you allow anyone to answer, or must you attempt to start flames with every new post?

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And just to finish up, although the US doesn't have a Colonial policy as such. Doesn't the US try to control things in other countries a little too much by exporting US brands and trying to push the American way of life too much.

Are you suggesting the US Government is forcing the export of US brands?

I wouldn't say forcing, but it probably is encouraging.

More than just attempting to bring trade into balance?
http://www.census.gov/indicator/www/ustrade.html

That this isn't the result of pure capitalistic greed?

Probably.

Is this somehow more than what the rest of the world does?

No.

Or why are we singling out the USA?

Not particularly singling out the USA. It happens in one form or another when one country or organisation dominates the market. As the USA has done for the last 100 years. And also you can see it in Europe where Germany is the strongest finacially within the EU.

Is Madison Avenue that advanced?

Madison Avenue should be, it was probably the designer of modern day electronic advertising.

Not particularly singling out the USA. It happens in one form or another when one country or organisation dominates the market. As the USA has done for the last 100 years. And also you can see it in Europe where Germany is the strongest finacially within the EU.

So similar to Micro$oft bashing, perhaps some shade of envy. That I can understand.

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Just like the Yanks did in Vietnam when they were slaughtering the population, who did not want them there. But, the efforts to get the great God democracy and those Commies out means no one listened.

Good job their hand was forced by the numbers of America's youth heading for Canada, etc, to avoid "doing their duty". Good soldiers lead by clods for Generals and rabid politicians.

Seems the lesson has yet to be learnt with Iraq, Afghanistan (caused by the CIA wanting the Russians out) and the noises being made over Iran.

If Iraq had been left alone there would be no problem with Iran, as they both hated each other and were an equal balance of disgusting power.

John, you have misidentified the department in the US government that is the issue. It is the State Department that has the problem. It sets policy, such as the red containment policy, which was Iraq1.0, Korea, 'Nam, etc. Iraq2.0 was the result of a personal vendetta with idiot interpreters who had been biased to believe Sadam's propaganda as it fit the conclusion their boss wanted so they rubber stamped it. I doubt shrub even thought about what to do after he got Saddam. I'm sure his puny mind couldn't have envisioned any colonialism. I honestly think he thought there would be dancing in the streets and they would instantly adopt a copy of the US Constitution as their own and we would be out of there in a week.

As to 'Nam, our blithering idiots in State assassinated the head of state there to start the whole thing. This was about the same time the same blithering idiots were trying the Bay of Pigs invasion. Can you imagine the mess if that one had gotten off the beach?!

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Not particularly singling out the USA. It happens in one form or another when one country or organisation dominates the market. As the USA has done for the last 100 years. And also you can see it in Europe where Germany is the strongest finacially within the EU.

So similar to Micro$oft bashing, perhaps some shade of envy. That I can understand.

It's not envy it is just the way the empires rise and fall.

The sad part is that the newer empires fail to recognise the mistakes of previous empires and repeat the same stupid mistakes.

Not particularly singling out the USA. It happens in one form or another when one country or organisation dominates the market. As the USA has done for the last 100 years. And also you can see it in Europe where Germany is the strongest finacially within the EU.

So similar to Micro$oft bashing, perhaps some shade of envy. That I can understand.

It's not envy it is just the way the empires rise and fall.

envy
1) A feeling of grudging admiration and desire to have something that is possessed by another
2) Spite and resentment at seeing the success of another (personified as one of the deadly sins)

I think the pursuit of the culture that exports all these things is definition 1 and the political reaction that happens is number 2. Could be wrong.

The sad part is that the newer empires fail to recognise the mistakes of previous empires and repeat the same stupid mistakes.

Because they work so well in the short term ...

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Is this somehow more than what the rest of the world does? Or why are we singling out the USA? Is Madison Avenue that advanced?

Ah, the shoe's on the other foot now is it? As the OP, you singled out Britain!

Sirius can you allow anyone to answer, or must you attempt to start flames with every new post?

Flames? Are you serious? Check back through the threads. I recall one which was very short lived due to the fact that an attempt was made to USA bash by attacking their military atrocities.

I pointed out the various countries atrocities, thread died a quick death.

I see threads like this one as flame bait. We cannot change history, & can only learn from it. That's the problem, we're not, especially with individuals doing their best to rake up the past.

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Here you go...a great reference guide for USA & UK....

Reference

Power Shift

New kid on the block the US don't like

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A prosperous 2013 to all our posters, and let us learn from history and the mistakes made. Especially in recognising the way things are done in the target country, rather than the way we do things

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Although as I have said in other threads, nearly all previous British colonies have gone markedly downhill after they were given their independence. Notably Uganda and Idi Amin, and Zimbabwe (Rhodesia)and Mugabe.

By whose standards and whose viewpoint? How were they doing before you came along? Did they really go down, or did your lot teach them mans inhumanity against man? How much resources, e.g. labour and minerals did you steal from them? Did you even attempt to pay market rate? Did you even attempt to find the owner to pay them? Did your actions in setting up this theft create the conditions in their society for dictators and crime syndicates? Since this recently broke off from the India thread, how were they doing when their overlords were busy beating and raping their women with bottles and castrating their men with pliers? Is what followed worse or simply a continuation of the standards you taught them?

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