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Message 1292500 - Posted: 7 Oct 2012, 18:45:20 UTC

Wierd thing...my friend in Honey Brook, PA (west of Philly) said he went to get gas yesterday and was told there were no gas deliveries. He just called me on his cell phone and said he drove by at least 8 other gas stations (all different chains) --all closed down.

Wonder if we're on the verge of a gas shortage?
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Message 1292502 - Posted: 7 Oct 2012, 18:56:45 UTC - in response to Message 1292500.

Weird thing...my friend in Honey Brook, PA (west of Philly) said he went to get gas yesterday and was told there were no gas deliveries. He just called me on his cell phone and said he drove by at least 8 other gas stations (all different chains) --all closed down.

Wonder if we're on the verge of a gas shortage?

The Refineries all want to go to the Winter Blend here in CA and have asked the State Regulator for permission, but so far all they've received last I heard was silence, probably cause it's only 8 days until the refineries can legally sell the winter blend gasoline, plus the refineries have been selling their excess summer gas to Mexico to unload it, so there's a shortage at some stations and not at others, while some are just shutting down to wait it out, in other states it might be the same or it might not be, Your guess is as good as anyone elses Blurf, You try Here, You'll have to enter Your zip code, if You are lucky You will see a station named Pilot or Flying J, I go there every month and I think they have their own refinery as they operate their own trucks, but then their also a Truck Stop too... Both are good.
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Message 1292504 - Posted: 7 Oct 2012, 18:59:28 UTC

Interesting. We had two trucks turned away from an Iowa pipeline loadout yesterday. They were to pick up jet fuel bound for a commercial airport but were told that there is a temporary hold on all JP, kerosene and avgas products due to some refineries being off line. Current product on hand at this pipeline is being reserved for military use until production picks up again. A different supplier 80 miles south in Missouri had no problem in providing the product for the commercial airport.

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Message 1292550 - Posted: 7 Oct 2012, 21:11:25 UTC

Call me a conspiracy nut, but...

Several large oil companies here in the Greasy White North have cancelled or scaled back refinery construction and upgrades over the last few years. Every year we see dire predictions of (and real examples of) shortages, pleas to cut down on consumption (which is happening), and oil company profits going up. I think the oil companies are loving this teetering on the brink of a shortage, and the high retail prices we all put up with because of this.

Interestingly, the big capital projects that HAVEN'T slowed down (except for the odd political hiccup) are the ones that will ship Canadian gas, crude, and refined oil to China. I don't see any Chinese film stars protesting pipe line construction.
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Message 1292555 - Posted: 7 Oct 2012, 21:24:08 UTC

oil is under $90/barrel.. and gasoline has risen to 4-5/gallon in most parts of the country.

40/barrel was around $1 a gallon. You do the math.
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Message 1292560 - Posted: 7 Oct 2012, 21:56:38 UTC - in response to Message 1292550.

Call me a conspiracy nut, but...

Several large oil companies here in the Greasy White North have cancelled or scaled back refinery construction and upgrades over the last few years. Every year we see dire predictions of (and real examples of) shortages, pleas to cut down on consumption (which is happening), and oil company profits going up. I think the oil companies are loving this teetering on the brink of a shortage, and the high retail prices we all put up with because of this.

Interestingly, the big capital projects that HAVEN'T slowed down (except for the odd political hiccup) are the ones that will ship Canadian gas, crude, and refined oil to China. I don't see any Chinese film stars protesting pipe line construction.

Yeah I know, it's the same way here, build this pipeline, but don't You dare build HSR or anything else that gets people away from oil...
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Message 1292671 - Posted: 8 Oct 2012, 2:58:36 UTC

Here is an industry web site with some answers to your questions.

Oil Price Net

Main problem is refining capacity. No new refineries have been build since 1976 and I know of several that have closed down. Even if we can get oil we lack the capacity to process it at the levels we are consuming it.

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Message 1292674 - Posted: 8 Oct 2012, 3:07:17 UTC - in response to Message 1292671.

Here is an industry web site with some answers to your questions.

Oil Price Net

Main problem is refining capacity. No new refineries have been build since 1976 and I know of several that have closed down. Even if we can get oil we lack the capacity to process it at the levels we are consuming it.

I hope Ya don't mind If I quote You Carlos...
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Message 1292677 - Posted: 8 Oct 2012, 3:22:17 UTC

Feel free. I seem to be become something of an energy expert. I have been invited to speak at the Bioneers conference later this month on the evolution of energy markets.

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Message 1292679 - Posted: 8 Oct 2012, 3:33:36 UTC - in response to Message 1292677.

Feel free. I seem to be become something of an energy expert. I have been invited to speak at the Bioneers conference later this month on the evolution of energy markets.

Thanks Carlos. So any algae fuel?
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Message 1292690 - Posted: 8 Oct 2012, 3:55:46 UTC - in response to Message 1292679.

Feel free. I seem to be become something of an energy expert. I have been invited to speak at the Bioneers conference later this month on the evolution of energy markets.

Thanks Carlos. So any algae fuel?


Not sold on the idea yet. I have conducted due diligence review on two companies that claim to be ready for market, but they are just kidding themselves. There is potential but water is a big issue. I know one possible solution but it would require some international cooperation that is not present at the moment. Bottom line, don't invest in Algae yet.

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Message 1292694 - Posted: 8 Oct 2012, 3:58:56 UTC - in response to Message 1292690.
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Feel free. I seem to be become something of an energy expert. I have been invited to speak at the Bioneers conference later this month on the evolution of energy markets.

Thanks Carlos. So any algae fuel?


Not sold on the idea yet. I have conducted due diligence review on two companies that claim to be ready for market, but they are just kidding themselves. There is potential but water is a big issue. I know one possible solution but it would require some international cooperation that is not present at the moment. Bottom line, don't invest in Algae yet.


Invest? I'd rather kill the stuff, at least in an aquarium, besides I can't invest as it were.

I hear San Diego is talking Desalination for drinking water.
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Message 1292747 - Posted: 8 Oct 2012, 8:54:36 UTC

UK Government wants on-shore and off-shore wind farms, UK public doesn't. Public want to install solar panels, local planning says no. At the rate we are going, we'll need 1000 hamsters running in wheels to power a light bulb!

Any rapeseed bio fuels in the USA?

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Message 1292790 - Posted: 8 Oct 2012, 14:02:22 UTC - in response to Message 1292747.

UK Government wants on-shore and off-shore wind farms, UK public doesn't. Public want to install solar panels, local planning says no. At the rate we are going, we'll need 1000 hamsters running in wheels to power a light bulb!

Any rapeseed bio fuels in the USA?


they keep trying to get us to eat that stuff(known as Canola oil here).
As a result we have some rather suspect foods.
Bio-diesel fuels are around, and they do have people picking up the used cooking oils to convert now. Still not the norm.
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Message 1292794 - Posted: 8 Oct 2012, 14:21:46 UTC - in response to Message 1292790.

UK Government wants on-shore and off-shore wind farms, UK public doesn't. Public want to install solar panels, local planning says no. At the rate we are going, we'll need 1000 hamsters running in wheels to power a light bulb!

Any rapeseed bio fuels in the USA?


they keep trying to get us to eat that stuff(known as Canola oil here).
As a result we have some rather suspect foods.
Bio-diesel fuels are around, and they do have people picking up the used cooking oils to convert now. Still not the norm.

My car can't use any biodiesel or straight alcohol fuel, oh sure the car can use gasoline that has some alcohol in it or even some form of natural gas, but that's it for alternative fuels...
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Message 1292810 - Posted: 8 Oct 2012, 15:19:02 UTC

We've been eating canola oils here in Canada as long as I can remember. Not as healthy as olive oil, but tasty and cheap. It is used in lots of processed foods.

Bio diesel and pump gas are growing in Canada, but this is changing land use and driving up food prices. Big debate here about the ethics of planting more and more corn for energy when people are starving around the world.

Carlos, if the demand for oil is still there (despite conservation efforts) and the public is paying prices that 10 years ago would have seemed impossible, why aren't investors lining up to build new refineries?
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Message 1292813 - Posted: 8 Oct 2012, 15:22:35 UTC - in response to Message 1292810.

We've been eating canola oils here in Canada as long as I can remember. Not as healthy as olive oil, but tasty and cheap. It is used in lots of processed foods.

Bio diesel and pump gas are growing in Canada, but this is changing land use and driving up food prices. Big debate here about the ethics of planting more and more corn for energy when people are starving around the world.

Carlos, if the demand for oil is still there (despite conservation efforts) and the public is paying prices that 10 years ago would have seemed impossible, why aren't investors lining up to build new refineries?

In California, at least, it is a compbination of things: regulatory hurdles, environmnetalist opposition, and in some cases local residents fighting expansion or trying to force the shutdown of facilities that were there and operating long before they moved in next door.
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Message 1292814 - Posted: 8 Oct 2012, 15:31:27 UTC

Current diesel vehicles can burn biodiesel, cooking oil (used and unused for cooking), sunflower oil, rape seed oil, etc. No need to fiddle around with Ethanol production then blending it with petrol...

I ran my 4x4 on biodiesel, based of esterified and filtered rape oil, for nearly 10K miles before the farm delivery service was sold and I went back to mineral diesel. It ran OK, without any issues I was aware of except for a fuel line filter change after about 1,000 miles.

When I read the thread header I thought it was about gas fired central heating, or, at least, LNG deliveries, Then I saw it was a colony's name for petrol.
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Message 1292816 - Posted: 8 Oct 2012, 15:34:29 UTC - in response to Message 1292813.

We've been eating canola oils here in Canada as long as I can remember. Not as healthy as olive oil, but tasty and cheap. It is used in lots of processed foods.

Bio diesel and pump gas are growing in Canada, but this is changing land use and driving up food prices. Big debate here about the ethics of planting more and more corn for energy when people are starving around the world.

Carlos, if the demand for oil is still there (despite conservation efforts) and the public is paying prices that 10 years ago would have seemed impossible, why aren't investors lining up to build new refineries?

In California, at least, it is a combination of things: regulatory hurdles, environmentalist opposition, and in some cases local residents fighting expansion or trying to force the shutdown of facilities that were there and operating long before they moved in next door.

Yep, pretty much sums it up, although there are indications that some who said their refineries were shut down, may not be telling the truth. I worked at one in the Whittier Narrows that was/is(if it's still there) owned by Texaco, I was a Security Guard employed by a another company back then, sure it's not as big as some, as it is an R&D refinery I was told, but even with a power outage around them they kept operating as they had their own backup power and they used it once while I was there, before I moved up to the High Desert 1988.
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Message 1292819 - Posted: 8 Oct 2012, 15:40:35 UTC

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There is another alternative to all the solar voltaic being installed in the UK. It's a variation on wind power, but at least 5 times more effective than turbines and installation costs, for a specific output, is possibly 50% to 60% of the installed cost of solar voltaic.
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