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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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Horacio Send message Joined: 14 Jan 00 Posts: 536 Credit: 75,967,266 RAC: 0 |
Yes I know about that Gary and about dogs in Asia. I can't say what I really think, I'd go on holiday. But shall we just say that animal welfare with me is 100% non negotiable, full stop, finish. Are the other countries inside those borders full vegan/vegies? I dont think so... cows, chickens, pigs and turkeys will disagree with you... And worst Spain and Mexico are inside those borders and there, bulls are killed for recreation... Dont get me wrong: I have cats, and they are more like sons than pets for me so Ill never be able to eat them (nor any other cat), but I cant be so harsh to other cultures if they eat them... Obviously, one thing is to eat an animal and another very different is to be cruel with them just for fun... |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
I am sure they eat many things which I find distasteful. I see no ethical reason not to eat dog or cat raised for food, but due to culture I find it disgusting. I can not take a moral high ground on it because it is not logical to refuse to eat things that are cute (unless they ask) but it is never the less true. Deer, rabbit, cats/dogs/guinea pigs/quail/etc etc are safe from my table. The pig/cow/chicken/turkey that do cross it I go out of my way to find they lived a natural and as full as possible of a life before they got there. Not easy, but worth it. Vegetarians have my respect. But not my envy. Janice |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
My feeling is you can only feel deeply about eating animals if you are vegan. Everyone else eats animals that have been bred to be killed/slaughtered. Are cows, pigs, lambs, chickens, turkeys etc... any less worthy. OK so cats and dogs have been domesticated in some cultures, however pigs have been proved to be probably as intelligent as dogs, just not as appealing, we kill them en mass. We are carnivores. I hate the thought of eating cat or dog but I would not condemn a society that did. |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
This is an unfortunate thing about other cultures. Sheila supports animal charaties, with an emphasis on donkeys. But there are so many needing rescue, meaning we cannot save the world ATM It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Far be it from me to disagree with Chris, but this thread pointed us to the fact that in Peru cats are bred to be eaten, the story does not suggest that cruelty is involved. Breeding animals for food and killing either for sport or inhumanely are two totally different subjects in my eyes. As a carnivore I realise that there are millions of animals across the globe killed every year for human consumption. The modern world makes it more difficult to avoid eating animal products and only vegans truly manage it. There are also possibly millions tortured, hunted by dogs, and just killed for sport that no one should agree with or support and I never have! So exactly what are we discussing the fact that Peruvians breed cats to eat, or that breeding cats to eat is worse than breeding pigs to eat? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
But back to Bernies point. I find it abhorrent that people breed what I class as domestic pets for food. And I will fight my utmost to stop it. In the USA Vietnamese Pot Belly pigs are pets. In India the Cow is sacred. Everywhere a culture will think that one kind of animal over another is special. Do you have a right to judge based on a cultural prejudice or should you use a neutral standard so no one can accuse you based on their prejudices? No I don't like it and won't partake. As long as it is being done humane and for subsistence and not fashion, I won't condemn it. |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Pets were once wild animals. there are still wildecats and wild dogs. We took these animals and used them to work for us, cats and dog were useful originally dogs in hunting and guarding, cats keeping pest down. I actually find it strange that you don't see cows, sheep, goats, pigs, chickens, etc in the same way, they no less than pets have been domesticated over the years and bred to produce the best meat eggs, milk...etc. I don't believe in real terms you can separate animals into two different categories, yes it's OK to kill cows, lambs, pigs chickens etc but you must not kill cats and dogs. Sorry that is dual standards. Surely all animals are equal, oh sorry some are more equal than others! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
With all the warfare occuring on the planet, I would have thought that "Soylent Green" would allieavte the food shortages...... |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
With all the warfare occuring on the planet, I would have thought that "Soylent Green" would allieavte the food shortages...... The original name of "Pink Slime" was "Soylent Pink". Janice |
Horacio Send message Joined: 14 Jan 00 Posts: 536 Credit: 75,967,266 RAC: 0 |
When they find that people choose not to invest in their country, won't buy their goods as a matter of principle, tourism dwindles, then perhaps they might be forced to think differently. At the contrary, all that will lead to poor economic wealth and then more famish... which will render in less funds to animal care and more and more people killing whatever animal they find to avoid starvation. To be honest, I find very hypocrite to condemn the use of any animal as food by someone that eats anything else than a fruit that has already fall from the tree. Not to mention the excesive arrogance implicit in any comment saying my culture is better than yours. Also I think that is a very hughe lack of understanding to think that the whole world can be feeded just with vegetables, first we dont have several stomachs like hervibores to been able to get a good nutrition just from vegs, but even assuming that a good vegs diet is possible, Im pretty sure that there is not enough land in the world to produce the amount of vegetal food needed to feed everybody... at least not in the short time... I find it abhorrent that people breed what I class as domestic pets for food. And I will fight my utmost to stop it. Its your choice to feel that, and as it is completely subjective, obviously, is out of discussion, but I hope that you find a better way to stop that than those methods you proposed here... |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Having been brought up in almost the same time and area I totally understand your feelings. As a child my family had cats, dogs, birds, rabbits etc as pets and the thought that any of those would be bred to be eaten was abhorrent. As I grew up I realised that the world isn't really like the rosy childhood in safe South London and people from different cultures do behave in ways we might not like. Please just remember if you are campaigning to stop "pets" be bred to be eaten, a Hindu might also campaign to stop you killing and eating cows which are considered sacred. Because you consider cows have less rights than cats, it doesn't make either of you morally right. |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Chris. I respect your views and wish you sucess in your campaign. I think we will just have to agree to differ on this one. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Well I have a couple of stray cats here that's annoying us with their wailing. I've always been one for trying anything once, so when I get the opportunity, I'll let you know what cat meat tastes like. |
Terror Australis Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1817 Credit: 262,693,308 RAC: 44 |
......so when I get the opportunity, I'll let you know what cat meat tastes like..... I thought it was supposed to taste like chicken... T.A. |
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