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SongBird Send message Joined: 23 Oct 01 Posts: 104 Credit: 164,826,157 RAC: 297 |
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Helsionium Send message Joined: 24 Dec 06 Posts: 156 Credit: 86,214,817 RAC: 43 |
The important line is: Installers have been temporarily removed pending resolution of some concerns related to licensing (20 Sept. 2012). If I remember correctly, there were some licensing issues with Intel and Lunatics is working on resolving these issues. There's nothing that can be done about that, please just wait it out. |
SongBird Send message Joined: 23 Oct 01 Posts: 104 Credit: 164,826,157 RAC: 297 |
Thanks! I should have seen this myself, silly me :) |
Mike Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34253 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 |
There is a issue with Intel and GPL. Some of the apps needs to be rewritten and recompiled with other compilers. This will take a while. No time frame yet. Richard can explain better probably. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13722 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
There is a issue with Intel and GPL. You'd think they'd go out of the their way to encourage people to use their software to sell more of their hardware... Grant Darwin NT |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Richard can explain better probably. Unfortunately, there's not a lot I can add. It's actually a problem which dates back to the early days of optimisation (2006!), but now the lawyers have seen a comment written in good faith then, they can't very well un-see it. The situation is made more complicated by changes in personnel since 2006, and by the current revived push to deploy SETI v7 here - that involves re-writing and re-testing all applications, both stock and optimised. We're doing everything we can, but we're reliant on input from other busy people too. Please accept out apologies for the delay - we'll either re-enable the v0.40 installer, or post a replacement, as soon as the various issues are sorted out. |
BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0 |
Will anyone be angry if I (or anybody) upload the Lunatics v0.40 Installers to a free hosting site and give the link? Â - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :) Â |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Will anyone be angry if I (or anybody) upload the Lunatics v0.40 Installers to a free hosting site Eric Korpela, the Regents of the University of California, and the Free Software Foundation might all wish to have words with you. It's probably better not, until we can get a legal ruling. |
BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0 |
Since I never cared about so called 'licensing' (of any program) I find it amusing that: - If we (the users) already have the program we can use it regardless of this 'licensing' abracadabra - But we may not give (publicly) the same code (that was free) to others (that probably already used Lunatics Installers but deleted them from the HDD thinking they will be always available for download) ?? Â - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :) Â |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
You might very well think that - I could not possibly comment (source). ;) |
Link Send message Joined: 18 Sep 03 Posts: 834 Credit: 1,807,369 RAC: 0 |
but deleted them from the HDD thinking they will be always available for download This case shows once again, that you should never rely on some websites which might change, become temporarily unavailable or even disappear from the web, better archive everything as far as possible yourself. I store all downloaded installers on my USB-HDD, usually I never need them and just have some additional work replacing the older versions with new ones, but in situation like this one it can really help. Also very usefull for hardware drivers, the manufacturers sometimes remove those for older hardware from their webside and think that people will buy something new because of that. |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Since I never cared about so called 'licensing' (of any program) I agree, SETI@Home is a public project and must abide by any rules/laws. Just because you are happy to steal software doesn't mean we all are. |
HAL9000 Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57 |
but deleted them from the HDD thinking they will be always available for download This is why I archive things. Just in case I might need them later. At the moment I only have the all of the installers from v0.37 to v0.40. Since I have them compressed they take up a whopping 30MB. SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ |
Fred J. Verster Send message Joined: 21 Apr 04 Posts: 3252 Credit: 31,903,643 RAC: 0 |
but deleted them from the HDD thinking they will be always available for download But those who already have installed the Optimized Applications, including the LUNATICs V40 Installer and still run it, can keep on running it. Until a new version is available? (Me, too have copies of the V0.37, V0.38, V0.39 and V0.40 installers). |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
But those who already have installed the Optimized Applications, I suspect the official answer would be no. However it is practically impossible to make everyone uninstall and delete all versions back to 2006. So the best that can be done is to stop anyone new using it. Lets hope it's sorted soon, I too have most of the installers unofficially of course:-) |
Fred E. Send message Joined: 22 Jul 99 Posts: 768 Credit: 24,140,697 RAC: 0 |
The situation is made more complicated by changes in personnel since 2006, and by the current revived push to deploy SETI v7 here - that involves re-writing and re-testing all applications, both stock and optimised. We're doing everything we can, but we're reliant on input from other busy people too. Hope your group can continue making progress on the new apps and any changes to the current ones that become necessary. If more testers are needed, let us know. I don't run Beta because I'm not a well qualified tester, but if you need someone for the dummy test, let me know. If I can get it to work, any one can! Another Fred Support SETI@home when you search the Web with GoodSearch or shop online with GoodShop. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
I wish I had saved a copy for my P4. I never backed anything up on it as I didnt have anything worth saving, Or so I thought. No big deal, I can wait until Lunatics can release the builds. And save a copy to. [/quote] Old James |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
Will anyone be angry if I (or anybody) upload the Lunatics v0.40 Installers to a free hosting site AFAIK they found ICC builds safe enough. Perhaps this situation (with disabled app downloads) will end soon. |
BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0 |
Can we read somewhere what is the exact problem that Intel 'found'? (I think this Intel act will turn against themselves the way Rambus/RDRAM affair did (when you try to push something by force people may just step away). Intel compilers are optimized for Intel CPUs which make the builds ('non-intentionally') run faster on Intel than on AMD. Now it appears that other 'general' free compilers/libraries will be used which may make the apps be more AMD friendly (or just not fast enough on Intel). ) Â - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :) Â |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
Intel found nothing cause never do find. It's exclusively internal considerations and precautions. |
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