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Message 1482898 - Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 20:15:25 UTC

Winds from Black Holes Pack Surprisingly Strong Punch

To help solve this mystery, scientists investigated the black hole called MQ1 at the center of its host galaxy, M83, for more than a year. The galaxy lies about 15 million light-years away from Earth in the constellation Hydra, and is one of the closest and brightest spiral galaxies in the sky, visible with only binoculars.

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Message 1485149 - Posted: 6 Mar 2014, 1:23:11 UTC - in response to Message 1482898.  

For the first time, astronomers have directly measured how fast a black hole spins, clocking its rotation at nearly half the speed of light.

That's fast.

http://www.space.com/24936-supermassive-black-hole-spin-quasar.html
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Message 1485732 - Posted: 7 Mar 2014, 13:12:08 UTC - in response to Message 1485149.  
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For the first time, astronomers have directly measured how fast a black hole spins, clocking its rotation at nearly half the speed of light.

That's fast.

http://www.space.com/24936-supermassive-black-hole-spin-quasar.html

Phew... No surprise but good to see...

As well as relativistic time effects, that also adds further weird effects due to frame dragging and also for how whatever raggedy 'event horizon' is greatly distorted from that of a simple sphere...

Quite a physics headache!


Note also that for rotation to be 'seen', that also suggests that there is no such thing as a 'singularity', which also removes the surrounding impossibilities surrounding the various infinities...


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Message 1485743 - Posted: 7 Mar 2014, 14:52:26 UTC - in response to Message 1485732.  

Do you think that the center of a black hole can be any denser than a Neutron Star ?
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Message 1486180 - Posted: 8 Mar 2014, 13:52:36 UTC - in response to Message 1485743.  

Do you think that the center of a black hole can be any denser than a Neutron Star ?

The present known physics suggests that to be the case...


The question then is what new physics limits the collapse, or whether the limit is time itself.

Just for one example, there is going to be some very interesting relatavistic shear across whatever central object as it is spun up to relatavistic significant speeds. You then may well have the effects of relativity AND rotation AND... limiting further collapse...


And... It's all got to be Quantum :-)


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Message 1489640 - Posted: 16 Mar 2014, 5:26:59 UTC - in response to Message 1486180.  

maybe?

Every black hole conceals a secret — the quantum remains of the star from which it formed, say a group of scientists, who also predict that these stars can later emerge once the black hole evaporates.


Black Hole 'Information' Paradox May Have Been Resolved

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Message 1499135 - Posted: 3 Apr 2014, 15:18:32 UTC

What Stephen Hawking Really Meant When He Said There Are No Black Holes


Hawking's quip instead concerns black holes in a highly theoretical sense. Like many other theorists, Hawking has been trying to understand a paradox eating at the heart of physics. The issue—often referred to as the black hole firewall paradox—implies that physicists might have to abandon (or deeply modify) quantum mechanics or Einstein's general theory of relativity, or both.

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Message 1520020 - Posted: 22 May 2014, 22:51:44 UTC - in response to Message 1499135.  

NASA's WISE Findings Poke Hole in Black Hole 'Doughnut' Theory

A survey of more than 170,000 supermassive black holes, using NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE), has astronomers reexamining a decades-old theory about the varying appearances of these interstellar objects.

http://www.nasa.gov/press/2014/may/nasas-wise-findings-poke-hole-in-black-hole-doughnut-theory/index.html

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Message 1520025 - Posted: 22 May 2014, 23:10:27 UTC - in response to Message 1520020.  

NASA's WISE Findings Poke Hole in Black Hole 'Doughnut' Theory

A survey of more than 170,000 supermassive black holes, using NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE), has astronomers reexamining a decades-old theory about the varying appearances of these interstellar objects.

http://www.nasa.gov/press/2014/may/nasas-wise-findings-poke-hole-in-black-hole-doughnut-theory/index.html

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Very interesting Lynn, thank you, and a pretty picture too. :) Definitely one to watch!

A quote from the article:

Another way to understand the WISE results involves dark matter. Dark matter is an invisible substance that dominates matter in the universe, outweighing the regular matter that makes up people, planets and stars. Every galaxy sits in the center of a dark matter halo. Bigger halos have more gravity and, therefore, pull other galaxies toward them.

Because WISE found that the obscured black holes are more clustered than the others, the researchers know those hidden black holes reside in galaxies with larger dark matter halos. Though the halos themselves would not be responsible for hiding the black holes, they could be a clue about what is occurring.


Intriguing :)
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Message 1532194 - Posted: 26 Jun 2014, 4:31:56 UTC

Rare trio of supermassive black holes found

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Message 1532321 - Posted: 26 Jun 2014, 13:53:25 UTC - in response to Message 1532194.  

Rare trio of supermassive black holes found

Apologies if this has already been posted.

This story has been in the news in South Africa today, because the lead researcher is a South African from my alma mater, the University of Cape Town.
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Message 1532337 - Posted: 26 Jun 2014, 15:02:36 UTC - in response to Message 1532321.  

Rare trio of supermassive black holes found

Apologies if this has already been posted.

This story has been in the news in South Africa today, because the lead researcher is a South African from my alma mater, the University of Cape Town.


That did impress me :) of course I'm totally jealous you went to Cape Town Uni :) it was landlocked Witwatersrand for me :)
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Message 1534440 - Posted: 1 Jul 2014, 12:46:44 UTC - in response to Message 1532321.  

Rare trio of supermassive black holes found

Apologies if this has already been posted.

This story has been in the news in South Africa today, because the lead researcher is a South African from my alma mater, the University of Cape Town.

This story on the UCT website provides some further insight into this discovery.
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Message 1534643 - Posted: 2 Jul 2014, 0:57:23 UTC

If using various observatories around the world gives a greater field of view, wouldn't using the same observatories at various times of year as earth moves around sun give an even better perspective?
By looking from different positions, the angle of view is changed (or, is this already done?)
Sorry if this has been answered previously, I'm new here (LOL)
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Message 1534845 - Posted: 2 Jul 2014, 11:30:39 UTC - in response to Message 1534643.  

If using various observatories around the world gives a greater field of view, wouldn't using the same observatories at various times of year as earth moves around sun give an even better perspective?
By looking from different positions, the angle of view is changed (or, is this already done?)
Sorry if this has been answered previously, I'm new here (LOL)

Yep, already done, from opposite sides of Earth's orbit.


Shame we can't also use Voyager... ;-)


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Message 1538174 - Posted: 9 Jul 2014, 0:41:17 UTC - in response to Message 1534845.  

Never going to understand black holes.

Supermassive Black Holes Eject Gas Out of Galaxies at Insane Rate


University of Sheffield researchers have discovered that supermassive black holes at the cores of some galaxies are ejecting molecular hydrogen gas in immense quantities, sometimes reaching speeds of 1 million kilometers per hour. With these findings, researchers believe they very well may have unlocked the secret to the future evolution of galaxies.

http://www.designntrend.com/articles/16410/20140708/supermassive-black-holes-eject-gas-out-of-galaxies-at-insane-rate.htm
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Message 1538334 - Posted: 9 Jul 2014, 7:07:29 UTC - in response to Message 1538174.  

Never going to understand black holes.

Supermassive Black Holes Eject Gas Out of Galaxies at Insane Rate


University of Sheffield researchers have discovered that supermassive black holes at the cores of some galaxies are ejecting molecular hydrogen gas in immense quantities, sometimes reaching speeds of 1 million kilometers per hour. With these findings, researchers believe they very well may have unlocked the secret to the future evolution of galaxies.

http://www.designntrend.com/articles/16410/20140708/supermassive-black-holes-eject-gas-out-of-galaxies-at-insane-rate.htm



But aren't they great Lynn?! :) From a distance obviously. :)
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Message 1544159 - Posted: 19 Jul 2014, 5:48:48 UTC - in response to Message 1538334.  

But aren't they great Lynn?! :) From a distance obviously. :)
Yes Annie :)

This next one blows my mind, though have often thought about it.

Black Holes May Explode Into 'White Holes' And Pour All Their Matter Into Space, Physicists Say

Black holes might end their lives by transforming into their exact opposite — 'white holes' that explosively pour all the material they ever swallowed into space, say two physicists. The suggestion, based on a speculative quantum theory of gravity, could solve a long-standing conundrum about whether black holes destroy information.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/18/black-holes-white-holes-explode-_n_5597006.html
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Message 1544229 - Posted: 19 Jul 2014, 8:56:20 UTC - in response to Message 1544159.  
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But aren't they great Lynn?! :) From a distance obviously. :)

Yes Annie :)

This next one blows my mind, though have often thought about it.

Black Holes May Explode Into 'White Holes' And Pour All Their Matter Into Space, Physicists Say

Black holes might end their lives by transforming into their exact opposite — 'white holes' that explosively pour all the material they ever swallowed into space, say two physicists. The suggestion, based on a speculative quantum theory of gravity, could solve a long-standing conundrum about whether black holes destroy information.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/18/black-holes-white-holes-explode-_n_5597006.html


Oooooooooh... that is VERY interesting Lynn!! Okay, I know it's speculative... but ('scuse me while I just get into my armchair) they should have come to me years ago on this one... *airy wave*... I could have told them everything I don't know but have always thought! :)
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Message 1544269 - Posted: 19 Jul 2014, 11:16:29 UTC

I've had this idea that eventually all the matter in what we know of as space gets swallowed up by ever more massive black holes until there is just one super massive black hole and at that point, another big bang occurs starting it all over again.

I've had this idea since they discovered that the universe won't stop expanding and collapse back on itself as they previously thought.

I like the idea that the universe is perpetual in some form.
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