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Message 1291411 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 22:32:13 UTC

I came across this article, and thought it was worth sharing.
http://science.time.com/2012/10/04/how-to-escape-from-a-black-hole/?hpt=hp_t3

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Message 1291489 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 3:20:36 UTC
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Steve,
Exactly why did you think the article was worth sharing? I don't get it! Its more of the usual lies.

Its full to the brim with the usual lies and deceit that clever astronomers like to feed out to the unsuspecting public to make you think they are really clever. When truth is, they haven't a clue what's going on in the Black hole. And they can't figure out why the maths don't add up?

Steve just accept my personal scientific findings. There are no Black holes, they don't exist. They are theoretical constructs that only exist inside the computers and the minds of astronomers. Black holes are the result of a mathematical error that started with Isaac Newton, was further propagated by Albert Einstein, and continues to this present day to deceive the whole scientific world. Yes, let me say that again - The Whole World is being deceived by lazy astronomers who won't get out from behind the lens of their telescope and check that all the maths they are using are correct!

For God sake Steve, just take a look at the science fiction picture they posted in the article. [Johnney-Laughs-out-lode-to-himself] In the image, you can see the black hole. What a joke! The reality should be that you could never see the black hole. And nobody has any astronomical image that shows anything that remotely resembles that image. So because black holes don't exist, they have to use a make-e-uppy image....LOL. Its just like you would do with children to make them believe their bed time story.



Wake up Steve, wake up. They are telling you a story about an Emperor that has no cloths on. And they describing the Emperor in great detail and telling you tonnes of stuff that they made up. And they are asking you to "believe" on blind faith that the Emperor really is wearing cloths. When truth is, in this case, there is no cloths and there is no Emperor.

But Johnney Guinness took a look at the Emperor and saw that the Emperor was naked. And Johnney Guinness tells it like it is. There are no black holes!

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Message 1291494 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 3:43:06 UTC
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And let me add to my last statement just to add clarity.

You have no idea just how much poorly written science i had to read through to eventually dig out where the error was buried. I read through pages and pages of fictitious astronomy and cosmology that was utterly buried up the brim with maths equations, and numbers, and computer algorithms, and government super computers crunching astronomical amounts of data to calculate fictitious astronomical theories. Pages and pages of science papers written by mathematicians and Nobel prize winners, physicists, astronomers, cosmologists, number crunchers and genius's. I was at it for years, but i cracked it in the end.

And none of them could get it! None of them could see what i see. Why? What the hell is wrong with these people? And what the hell is wrong with science fans that follow science that they swallow whatever news story is fed out by the guy with the biggest telescope. Is it some kind of Freudian slip that the male mind can't resist big telescopes? So you accept whatever they say, even if you can't see it, and can't measure it? What the hell is wrong with the world?

I'm a simple man and do things in a simple way. I cut through, purify and provide clarity where clarity is needed. This error was difficult to find. But when i set out a task to find what's broken, i don't stop until i find the part that has failed. This is how i learned to fix machines. This is how i learned to find what's broken when things are broken. There are no Black holes.

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Message 1291592 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 12:33:47 UTC
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Black holes exist at the center of every Galaxy but there are also smaller black holes within our Galaxy. They are identified by the X-ray emissions of matter falling into them. A black hole at the center of M87 galaxy has been identified by a network of radiotelescopes connected in VLBI mode. See www.eventhorizontelescope.org..
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Message 1291621 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 14:47:04 UTC
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Forgive him Tullio he knows not what he reads. I dont claim to understand all science. But I do have a firm grip on the basics.

Also the firm evidence and video evidence that APOD has posted in the past clearly shows the signs of a black hole. If these aren't black holes then they are some unknown force that look and act as the objects we describe as black holes.

Sorry to say that Discussing science with JG is like talking to a wall. You always get the same monocolored answer.

Quite honestly I really didnt think this was a topic for debate. Its a really cool article. Why anyone would think it was part of a debate is beyond me
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Message 1291639 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 15:59:12 UTC - in response to Message 1291489.

... lies and deceit that clever astronomers like to feed out to the unsuspecting public to make you think they are really clever. When truth is, they haven't a clue what's going on ...

Johnney,

I take great exception to your foul unsubstantiated language.

Show your proof for how the rest of the world is wrong, or retract and recant and apologise for such foul gutter comments. Claims of "lies and deceit" have no place in science.


Show your case or forever be lost in your own "lies and deceit"...

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Message 1291640 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 16:01:04 UTC - in response to Message 1291494.

... You have no idea just how much poorly written science i had to read through to eventually dig out where the error was buried. ...

Then please demonstrate whatever error it is that you have found, and the correction and correct solution.


We await your Revelation with interest.

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Message 1291644 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 16:14:07 UTC - in response to Message 1291639.

... lies and deceit that clever astronomers like to feed out to the unsuspecting public to make you think they are really clever. When truth is, they haven't a clue what's going on ...

Johnney,

I take great exception to your foul unsubstantiated language.

Show your proof for how the rest of the world is wrong, or retract and recant and apologise for such foul gutter comments. Claims of "lies and deceit" have no place in science.


Show your case or forever be lost in your own "lies and deceit"...

Regards,
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Yes especially as
Dr. Eric Korpela, Project scientist
Eric is an astronomer.


I am sure he will be riveted by your explanation!
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Message 1291719 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 18:48:30 UTC

Welcome to the Seti@home message boards!

This is the place where astronomers having different opinions about different subjects are having their way of telling things.

Perhaps you may be having a special interest when it comes to something?

If so, you may perhaps be an agnostic, an atheist, a believer, or a drunkard.

Possibly more than one thing at the same time when its comes to some of the above?

Johnney Guiness is having a special interest regarding Ancient Aliens.

So well, so good. It is a difficult subject which is hard to approach and hard to comprehend.

We think that aliens (if they exist at all) were different in earlier times and that also they have developed over time.

People of earlier civilizations including perhaps even the stone age man were sometimes supposed to have had encounters or experiences when it comes to aliens. Their knowledge of things they were able to observe or see at that time was beyond their comprehension, possibly because what they were able to see was either something technical, or maybe someting else which was immaterial.

The results of such encounters have been left for people of the future to observe in several different ways.

With modern technology available to us, we should be better off now able to try to explain such things. Still, not everything that is being observed is having a logical explanation, including some UFO observations.

Is it up to the original observer, or is it up to the one or ones trying to explain such things? Not everything is being debunked but not everything can be totally expained as a phenomenon either.

It should be easier to explain the existence of E.T.'s possible spaceships than the white angels or black devils which may be hiding against the bright sky or in the darkness of a cloud.

By the way, am I supposed to be attracted to a 5 kg or 10 kg lump of lead which is standing on a floor or lying on a table by means of an invisible "force" which is exerted from it? I guess it is having a high density and its atomic number is 82.

What happens when you compress the earth to something similar you may be able to carry in your hand when it comes to size alone? Is such an object supposed to be able to emit any radiation at all, or is there perhaps more to it when it comes to the physical properties of such objects?

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Message 1291727 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 19:02:58 UTC - in response to Message 1291592.
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Black holes exist at the center of every Galaxy but there are also smaller black holes within our Galaxy. They are identified by the X-ray emissions of matter falling into them. A black hole at the center of M87 galaxy has been identified by a network of radiotelescopes connected in VLBI mode. See www.eventhorizontelescope.org..
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Yes Tullio,
But i can detect X-Rays in my nearest hospital when my arm is broken. But this does not mean there is a black hole in the X-Ray machine the radiographer is using to see my broken arm.

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Message 1291731 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 19:05:30 UTC - in response to Message 1291621.

Forgive him Tullio he knows not what he reads. I dont claim to understand all science. But I do have a firm grip on the basics.

Also the firm evidence and video evidence that APOD has posted in the past clearly shows the signs of a black hole. If these aren't black holes then they are some unknown force that look and act as the objects we describe as black holes.

Sorry to say that Discussing science with JG is like talking to a wall. You always get the same monocolored answer.

Quite honestly I really didnt think this was a topic for debate. Its a really cool article. Why anyone would think it was part of a debate is beyond me

skildude,
Do you know what a Barycenter is?

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Message 1291732 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 19:06:54 UTC - in response to Message 1291639.

... lies and deceit that clever astronomers like to feed out to the unsuspecting public to make you think they are really clever. When truth is, they haven't a clue what's going on ...

Johnney,

I take great exception to your foul unsubstantiated language.

Show your proof for how the rest of the world is wrong, or retract and recant and apologise for such foul gutter comments. Claims of "lies and deceit" have no place in science.


Show your case or forever be lost in your own "lies and deceit"...

Regards,
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Martin,
Do you know what a Barycenter is?

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Message 1291735 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 19:12:54 UTC - in response to Message 1291640.
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... You have no idea just how much poorly written science i had to read through to eventually dig out where the error was buried. ...

Then please demonstrate whatever error it is that you have found, and the correction and correct solution.


We await your Revelation with interest.

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Same question again Martin,
Do you know what a Barycenter is?

And Martin the following question is very specific -

Show me "scientific proof", testable, repeatable proof, that black holes are NOT Barycenters!

Martin there is supposed to be a black hole in the centre of our Milkyway. The region is called Sgr A*; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_A*

Martin prove to me that Sgr A* is NOT a Barycenter!

Martin i am very arrogant and very aggressive. But i tell you one thing, i have a very good reason to be arrogant and aggressive! I'm very serious about what i do.

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Message 1291741 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 19:25:35 UTC

what would your point be? A super massive blackhole make a sun look like a planet looking at a small meteor gravitationally. A barycenter has little bearing on a blackholes existance.

http://www.eso.org/public/news/eso0846/

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap001220.html

I know I've posted both of these previously but you conveniently ignore direct evidence.

heck look here too. not that you'd get it.

http://ircamera.as.arizona.edu/NatSci102/NatSci102/lectures/galcenter.htm
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Message 1291768 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 20:58:39 UTC - in response to Message 1291741.

Skil, John is an Irishman who takes great, self admitted pride in his gift of gab. The only explanations I can come up with for his posts are he is mad or he has been putting these forums on for years. I say he is a colossal joker and a very good one.
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Message 1291771 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 21:10:38 UTC - in response to Message 1291768.

Mad in the Pink Floyd Sid Barrett sense I agree
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Message 1291802 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 22:17:38 UTC - in response to Message 1291768.

Skil, John is an Irishman who takes great, self admitted pride in his gift of gab. The only explanations I can come up with for his posts are he is mad or he has been putting these forums on for years. I say he is a colossal joker and a very good one.


Yep, he even knocks spots off this guy.....


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Message 1291827 - Posted: 6 Oct 2012, 0:10:41 UTC
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Found a great YouTube video with some splendid pictures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=T82LpzWEx7U&NR=1

Go to bed after watching this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=cvuUwTHOqj8&feature=endscreen

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Message 1291841 - Posted: 6 Oct 2012, 0:48:08 UTC

FOR STARTERS --Johnnie my son,

Can you opine on whether or not an electron is a black hole.

Doesn't it meet the Schwarzchild radius definition ??

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Message 1291844 - Posted: 6 Oct 2012, 0:54:23 UTC - in response to Message 1291735.

Same question again Martin,
Do you know what a Barycenter is?

Yes. Do you?

Show me "scientific proof", testable, repeatable proof, that black holes are NOT Barycenters!

And so jelly sweets can be coloured pink and French honey can be coloured purple. Your point is?


Martin i am very arrogant and very aggressive. But i tell you one thing, i have a very good reason to be arrogant and aggressive! I'm very serious about what i do.

'Tis good to be impassioned. You still need to recant your lies and deceit slurs that you have made against honest scientists. Especially against those on and behind these forums.


Note that I consider myself to be a scientist and an engineer. You personally insult me and my kind?

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