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Alec Send message Joined: 3 Jun 06 Posts: 7 Credit: 370,814 RAC: 0	Message 1288640 - Posted: 28 Sep 2012, 1:48:27 UTC
	I thought some old-timers who remember the 2009 Nez controversy would appreciate this article from 2011, in which the superintendent who was his nemesis got caught plagiarizing an article from another website in a letter sent to staff: http://www.azcentral.com/community/gilbert/articles/2011/05/05/20110505higley-superintendent-plagiarism-letter.html Seems to me that plagiarism is a form of using someone else's resources without permission. Hmm.
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Carlos Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 9702 Credit: 24,507,166 RAC: 4,464	Message 1288643 - Posted: 28 Sep 2012, 2:08:06 UTC - in response to Message 1288640.
	I thought some old-timers who remember the 2009 Nez controversy would appreciate this article from 2011, in which the superintendent who was his nemesis got caught plagiarizing an article from another website in a letter sent to staff: http://www.azcentral.com/community/gilbert/articles/2011/05/05/20110505higley-superintendent-plagiarism-letter.html Seems to me that plagiarism is a form of using someone else's resources without permission. Hmm. Just made the link active.
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Monday Send message Joined: 24 Sep 05 Posts: 7102 Credit: 2,159,027 RAC: 605	Message 1288815 - Posted: 28 Sep 2012, 14:31:16 UTC
	Yep, good ole Nez. I wonder what his RAC is now? ____________ TFFE: The Final Front Ear.
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Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6669 Credit: 1,280,517 RAC: 674	Message 1288841 - Posted: 28 Sep 2012, 15:20:24 UTC
	"I do not think the letter is the issue. Harry Truman had it right ... "The buck stops here". As an executive she may delegate some authority but never responsibility. To blame her secretary was indeed tacky and does not set a positive example for those staff and students under her care". Good comment from the article & very apt! ____________
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skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 8941 Credit: 36,431,595 RAC: 56,255	Message 1288845 - Posted: 28 Sep 2012, 15:28:48 UTC - in response to Message 1288841.
	A very weak argument for plagarism. She didn't profit or gain anything by quoting someone without a footnote. I don't think an email praising teachers and only sent to a limited number of people meets the standard definition of plagarism. This isnt a thesis or news article or even a book. Its an email. If I've ever quoted someone in an email I doubt I provided sources quite a nonstory though I do think this individual treated Nez Harshly ____________ Proud member of TSWB. End terrorism by building a school
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VBobier Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 40757 Credit: 32,054,613 RAC: 19,753	Message 1288904 - Posted: 28 Sep 2012, 16:54:26 UTC
	Nez? Never herd of Him... ____________ BSG Anthem My Facebook page
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Bernie Vine Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 5663 Credit: 14,113,122 RAC: 50,568	Message 1288906 - Posted: 28 Sep 2012, 17:02:01 UTC - in response to Message 1288904.
	Nez? Never herd of Him... A potted history NEZ and SETI ____________
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VBobier Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 40757 Credit: 32,054,613 RAC: 19,753	Message 1288908 - Posted: 28 Sep 2012, 17:06:07 UTC - in response to Message 1288906.
	Nez? Never herd of Him... A potted history NEZ and SETI I was kidding Bernie... ____________ BSG Anthem My Facebook page
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Bernie Vine Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 5663 Credit: 14,113,122 RAC: 50,568	Message 1288909 - Posted: 28 Sep 2012, 17:10:20 UTC - in response to Message 1288908.
	Nez? Never herd of Him... A potted history NEZ and SETI I was kidding Bernie... I realised that but put the link there for anyone who doesn't know, using your post as a quote. Double sarcasm? ____________
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VBobier Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 40757 Credit: 32,054,613 RAC: 19,753	Message 1288921 - Posted: 28 Sep 2012, 17:18:58 UTC - in response to Message 1288909.
	Nez? Never herd of Him... A potted history NEZ and SETI I was kidding Bernie... I realised that but put the link there for anyone who doesn't know, using your post as a quote. Double sarcasm? I don't know, Me feel like ground sloth... ____________ BSG Anthem My Facebook page
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Misfit Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21680 Credit: 2,443,662 RAC: 0	Message 1289609 - Posted: 30 Sep 2012, 5:56:22 UTC
	<-- only one who ever talked to nez. :P ____________
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22662 Credit: 4,501,610 RAC: 5,904	Message 1289638 - Posted: 30 Sep 2012, 8:31:26 UTC
	Seems to me that plagiarism is a form of using someone else's resources without permission. Hmm. Strictly speaking, plagiarism is more properly passing off someone elses work as your own original work. You can buy MSc and PhD thesis's on line these days for example. But it applies in principle to this matter. If I recall Eric had to issue a public statement distancing Seti from the situation, due to the unwelcome publicity. I also remember myself saying at the time, that even if a university, College, or commercial systems administrator had permission to use equipment in that way, it was unfair for them to crunch as an individual, with hundreds of computers at their disposal. That skewed the league tables. They should compete as a team for their organisation.
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Bernie Vine Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 5663 Credit: 14,113,122 RAC: 50,568	Message 1289657 - Posted: 30 Sep 2012, 9:27:53 UTC - in response to Message 1289609.
	<-- only one who ever talked to nez. :P Meaning? ____________
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Mike Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 19467 Credit: 21,078,806 RAC: 27,162	Message 1289660 - Posted: 30 Sep 2012, 9:29:42 UTC - in response to Message 1289657.
	<-- only one who ever talked to nez. :P Meaning? He must be a lonesome guy only talked to just one person. ____________
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John Clark Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 15810 Credit: 4,356,364 RAC: 130	Message 1289829 - Posted: 30 Sep 2012, 20:16:06 UTC
	Definitely, and until he was found all speculated as to who Nez was and how his RAC was s high. Nobody knew where he was located at that time, and crunching as an individua. ____________ It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues
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clive G1FYE Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 4 Nov 04 Posts: 1284 Credit: 14,937,888 RAC: 2,928	Message 1289912 - Posted: 1 Oct 2012, 2:42:49 UTC - in response to Message 1288815. Last modified: 1 Oct 2012, 2:46:56 UTC
	Yep, good ole Nez. I wonder what his RAC is now? not a lot a quick boincstats search finds :- NORWAY - http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/104493/projectList USA - http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/47/projectList USA - http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/289/projectList Guess which is him :¬)
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 8870 Credit: 1,225,594 RAC: 1,797	Message 1289925 - Posted: 1 Oct 2012, 3:26:45 UTC - in response to Message 1289638.
	Seems to me that plagiarism is a form of using someone else's resources without permission. Hmm. Strictly speaking, plagiarism is more properly passing off someone elses work as your own original work. You can buy MSc and PhD thesis's on line these days for example. But it applies in principle to this matter. As someone who knows the results/ramifications of a superior being accused of plagiarism in a grant proposal, I'm having a hard time with quoting in an e-mail (without citation) also being called plagiarism a bit hard to swallow. If that's the case, apply that to EVERY post here. EVERY post on a social networking. And so on.
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Misfit Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21680 Credit: 2,443,662 RAC: 0	Message 1290182 - Posted: 1 Oct 2012, 20:05:14 UTC - in response to Message 1289660.
	<-- only one who ever talked to nez. :P Meaning? He must be a lonesome guy only talked to just one person. Reality would say he didn't find you trustworthy. Sounds about right. ____________
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Bernie Vine Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 5663 Credit: 14,113,122 RAC: 50,568	Message 1290226 - Posted: 1 Oct 2012, 22:34:40 UTC - in response to Message 1290182.
	<-- only one who ever talked to nez. :P Meaning? He must be a lonesome guy only talked to just one person. Reality would say he didn't find you trustworthy. Sounds about right. Why am I not trustworthy??? ____________
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Bill Walker Send message Joined: 4 Sep 99 Posts: 2861 Credit: 1,778,308 RAC: 223	Message 1290241 - Posted: 1 Oct 2012, 23:41:11 UTC - in response to Message 1290226.
	<-- only one who ever talked to nez. :P Meaning? He must be a lonesome guy only talked to just one person. Reality would say he didn't find you trustworthy. Sounds about right. Why am I not trustworthy??? Bernie, please don't feed the trolls. ____________
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