Immortality: Can we extend human lifespan?

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Johnney Guinness Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 11 Sep 06 Posts: 2944 Credit: 2,305,966 RAC: 330	Message 1287558 - Posted: 25 Sep 2012, 1:15:04 UTC Last modified: 25 Sep 2012, 1:17:54 UTC
	Immortality: Can we extend human lifespan? Through genetic engineering, can we extend human lifespan? Or even better, can we genetically engineer Immortal human beings? BBC Documentary - Forever Young; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc2_mYV3L9k (48 minute video) The scientists in that BBC documentary seem to think we can extend human life. In laboratories all over the world, scientists are modifying the genetic code of small creatures and extending their lives by many multiples. Most genetic engineers are in agreement that, within a few years, we should be able to extend human life well in the hundreds, or longer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immortality The Christian Bible claims that the first human beings on earth lived for very long periods of time. The lifetimes given for the Patriarchs in the Book of Genesis are: Adam 930 years, Seth 912, Enos 905, Kenan 910, Mahalalel 895, Jared 962, Enoch 365 (did not die, but was taken away by God), Methuselah 969, Lamech 777, Noah 950 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchs_(Bible) Is it possible that the Bible was correct? Is modern science just discovering what the Bible said all along? Or was it just a lucky guess by the people who wrote the Book of Genesis? John. ____________
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ML1 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 7129 Credit: 3,684,219 RAC: 943	Message 1287571 - Posted: 25 Sep 2012, 2:24:18 UTC
	By the mere power of communication, ideas can be immortal. Keep searchin', Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3)
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 8871 Credit: 1,230,484 RAC: 1,827	Message 1287597 - Posted: 25 Sep 2012, 4:37:48 UTC - in response to Message 1287571.
	By the mere power of communication, ideas can be immortal. Keep searchin', Martin Whichever answer Johnney receives first, he will disagree with and tell us the old book will reveal in a few years how very wrong we are.
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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 1064 Credit: 2,006,954 RAC: 2,665	Message 1287603 - Posted: 25 Sep 2012, 4:50:23 UTC - in response to Message 1287597.
	John is Irish and has the gift of gab. IMO he's been putting us on for years. Good job John. ____________
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Johnney Guinness Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 11 Sep 06 Posts: 2944 Credit: 2,305,966 RAC: 330	Message 1287609 - Posted: 25 Sep 2012, 5:00:01 UTC - in response to Message 1287597.
	By the mere power of communication, ideas can be immortal. Keep searchin', Martin Whichever answer Johnney receives first, he will disagree with and tell us the old book will reveal in a few years how very wrong we are. Sarge, In the case of Immortality, yes, its written down in the "old book". John. ____________
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Johnney Guinness Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 11 Sep 06 Posts: 2944 Credit: 2,305,966 RAC: 330	Message 1287611 - Posted: 25 Sep 2012, 5:01:27 UTC - in response to Message 1287603.
	John is Irish and has the gift of gab. IMO he's been putting us on for years. Good job John. Yes, thats it. I made the whole thing up just to pass the time :) John.
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Ex Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 2883 Credit: 1,158,956 RAC: 830	Message 1287630 - Posted: 25 Sep 2012, 7:00:21 UTC
	I think it much more likely to extend our lifespan via "Whole Mind Emulation". In the next couple decades the computing power will be available, the only question is will we have a good enough understanding of the brain to emulate it by then? Some say yes, others say no. ____________ -Dave #2 3.2.0-33
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Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 660 Credit: 62,144 RAC: 89	Message 1287633 - Posted: 25 Sep 2012, 7:24:32 UTC
	It is also possible that the Old Testament, at least the early part of it is more mythology than history. Most of the events that happened before Moses time were passed down through the generations by word of mouth and therefore subject to exaggeration. And, if you believe, as I'm sure Johnny does, that the Bible is the inspired word of God and therefore contains no lies or exaggerations then why try to extend your life here since there are many mansions in heaven and the afterlife there must surely be better than what we contend with here. That has always puzzled me. Why do people who claim to believe in God and heaven fight so hard to put off their trip to the afterlife. Could it be that deep down they know that this is the one and only life we get. As far as whether I would want my life extended that would depend on what kind of physical condition I would be in. I'm not sure I would want to live in my current 63 year old physical body for say another 100 years. I'm afraid that if scientists start implementing some of the ideas that are now under consideration they will find that other problems related to longevity will sprout up. There is also the birth rate to consider. Unless a drastic drop in the birth rate occurs we could run out of resources very quickly, which may happen even if efforts to extend the human lifespan fail as a whole. ____________ Bob DeWoody
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22721 Credit: 4,514,937 RAC: 5,688	Message 1287638 - Posted: 25 Sep 2012, 9:02:59 UTC
	It is also possible that the Old Testament, at least the early part of it is more mythology than history. Most of the events that happened before Moses time were passed down through the generations by word of mouth and therefore subject to exaggeration. You are about right for most of it, although some of it does survive in more or less the original form. since there are many mansions in heaven and the afterlife there must surely be better than what we contend with here. Johnney will love this ... In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. "The mothership has many vacant cabins for our trip back home. I will reserve enough for all those that want to go." :-)
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James Sotherden Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 6051 Credit: 14,694,135 RAC: 22,464	Message 1287690 - Posted: 25 Sep 2012, 12:36:31 UTC - in response to Message 1287630.
	I think it much more likely to extend our lifespan via "Whole Mind Emulation". In the next couple decades the computing power will be available, the only question is will we have a good enough understanding of the brain to emulate it by then? Some say yes, others say no. To me that would be the way to go. Uploaded to a world wide copmuter, With various copies of you backed up just in case. While the peacefull side of it holds a lot of promise, the down side is Boy we could be an adavnced fighting force. Put a copy of you in a drone and go to it. Forget AI the human brain is the ultimate BOLO. You die in combat you are in a link that is continually updated. We just feed you into another machine with an update of what went wrong. The idea is nice but us humans have a way of perverting anything good for war. ____________
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John Clark Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 15817 Credit: 4,356,364 RAC: 74	Message 1287835 - Posted: 26 Sep 2012, 0:05:12 UTC
	Until we come together as a wide ranging species of many cultures and views the drive for immortality will only result in ossification of that generation that might achieve that goal of immortality. What a sad unprogressive, and completely undesirable world that would prove to be. We have it built in to our genetic code to keep renewing ourselves every 100 years or so. So, what's wrong with that position, or is death a great inconvenience? ____________ It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22721 Credit: 4,514,937 RAC: 5,688	Message 1287952 - Posted: 26 Sep 2012, 10:38:17 UTC
	or is death a great inconvenience? It's a tad inopportune at times it has to be said.
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uli Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 6 Feb 00 Posts: 8028 Credit: 3,749,688 RAC: 3,664	Message 1294076 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 7:12:43 UTC - in response to Message 1287952.
	or is death a great inconvenience? It's a tad inopportune at times it has to be said. 1 and when s/he comes around not a thing we can do about it. ____________ Pluto will always be a planet to me. Cash Donation Specialist*
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22721 Credit: 4,514,937 RAC: 5,688	Message 1294120 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 10:10:52 UTC Last modified: 12 Oct 2012, 10:11:31 UTC
	Nope, there isn't really, just make the best of the time we do have I guess. I don't always do that, about time I did :-)
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John Clark Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 15817 Credit: 4,356,364 RAC: 74	Message 1294258 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 15:51:34 UTC
	Especilly when something comes along to plague one, like I found out ... Hee! Hee! Coffin dodging again? ____________ It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues
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Johnney Guinness Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 11 Sep 06 Posts: 2944 Credit: 2,305,966 RAC: 330	Message 1294395 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 19:16:41 UTC Last modified: 12 Oct 2012, 19:19:35 UTC
	This thread is getting very little response! This disappoints me. DO YOU PEOPLE GET IT? There is no reason to die! You, me, and every human being on Earth were "programmed" to die. It has been written into our DNA. Its written in the living code in every living cell in your body. God programmed you to die! BUT!! There is a very big but!! God, the genetic engineer that created Adam, gave us a full set of instructions for how to become Immortal! Now i will be very clear here - Its NOT going to be easy!! God did NOT make it easy for you to become Immortal, he made it difficult. To become Immortal, you have to read the Holy Bible. Not only that, you have to try to play by God's set of rules that are written in the Bible. If you play by the rules, and follow God's commandments, God has given YOU a 100% guarantee that you will be resurrected, through cloning, and you will get to live in the Kingdom of God. God spent a very long time preparing his Kingdom for those who choose to play by God's rules. He has a beautiful Kingdom already prepared for all that play by the rules. Its your choice people! John, God's servant. ____________
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ML1 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 7129 Credit: 3,684,219 RAC: 943	Message 1294419 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 20:19:10 UTC - in response to Message 1294395. Last modified: 12 Oct 2012, 20:29:10 UTC
	... To become Immortal, you have to read the Holy Bible. Not only that, you have to try to play by God's set of rules that are written in the Bible. If you play by the rules, and follow God's commandments, God has given YOU a 100% guarantee that you will be resurrected, through cloning, and you will get to live in the Kingdom of God. God spent a very long time preparing his Kingdom for those who choose to play by God's rules. He has a beautiful Kingdom already prepared for all that play by the rules. ... Errr... Not wanting to sound dismissive or anything but... Is that it? [*] 2781 posts to Epiphany? Errr... To misquote Lunkwill and Fook for a certain momentous answer in front of a huge expectant crowd after waiting many years: "You'd get lynched!" Your description also sounds distinctly like joining The Borg... Keep searchin', Martin Also famously said by another Irishman by the name of Bob Geldof upon first sight of Timbuktu. ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3)
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Johnney Guinness Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 11 Sep 06 Posts: 2944 Credit: 2,305,966 RAC: 330	Message 1294425 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 20:40:05 UTC - in response to Message 1294419.
	Errr... Not wanting to sound dismissive or anything but... Is that it? [*] 2781 posts to Epiphany? Errr... To misquote Lunkwill and Fook for a certain momentous answer in front of a huge expectant crowd after waiting many years: "You'd get lynched!" Your description also sounds distinctly like joining The Borg... Keep searchin', Martin Also famously said by another Irishman by the name of Bob Geldof upon first sight of Timbuktu. Martin, I don't understand. What does that mean? What are you trying to say? John.
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Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 11987 Credit: 18,018,378 RAC: 55,095	Message 1294427 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 20:43:20 UTC - in response to Message 1294425.
	Errr... Not wanting to sound dismissive or anything but... Is that it? [*] 2781 posts to Epiphany? Errr... To misquote Lunkwill and Fook for a certain momentous answer in front of a huge expectant crowd after waiting many years: "You'd get lynched!" Your description also sounds distinctly like joining The Borg... Keep searchin', Martin Also famously said by another Irishman by the name of Bob Geldof upon first sight of Timbuktu. Martin, I don't understand. What does that mean? What are you trying to say? John. It means you're preaching gospel and promises without any evidence or reason to believe what you're saying.
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Johnney Guinness Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 11 Sep 06 Posts: 2944 Credit: 2,305,966 RAC: 330	Message 1294430 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 21:01:38 UTC - in response to Message 1294427.
	It means you're preaching gospel and promises without any evidence or reason to believe what you're saying. Ozzfan, This is not my gospel, i didn't write it. Some bloke called God wrote it, or at least he dictated it to other blokes to write it down. I'm just passing on the message cos the book suggests that i do so. Anyway, the thread is about Immortality. Every and all angles on the discussion are open here. God suggested one way. There are lots of other sources that suggest way's to Immortality. John.
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Message boards : Politics : Immortality: Can we extend human lifespan?