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Message 1351099 - Posted: 27 Mar 2013, 6:47:32 UTC

Interesting. Thanx for the link Lynn :)
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Message 1351122 - Posted: 27 Mar 2013, 11:25:26 UTC
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You are quite right Mike, but nevertheless its the .01% that STILL cannot be explained that are the interesting ones. If ET WERE observing this planet they'd be unlikely to use manned craft in case one did crash. If they are of ET origin I would expect them to be remote controlled drones, which would explain the fantastic aerobatics. Where from? You could park a mother ship at one of the 5 Lagrange points and we probably wouldn't know it was there. But we might find out shortly!

New L2 space station

Have you noticed how hard it is to get a picture or map of the far side of the moon? But no there are no London buses up there!



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Message 1351376 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 5:59:29 UTC - in response to Message 1351099.

Interesting. Thanx for the link Lynn :)


Welcome Julie :-)

This one is also strange.


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Mysterious pond circles have been spotted in a pond in upstate New York, sparking talks about a potential visit from extraterrestrial beings, according to reports.

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Message 1351389 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 6:44:23 UTC

Sometimes I'm really convinced they're among us...
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Message 1351567 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 18:56:38 UTC
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Sometimes a lot of us are convinced. They are out there, yes sure. Observing us, yes most probably. But physically here, I think not. In time to come? That is the exciting bit ....

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Message 1351568 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 19:00:54 UTC - in response to Message 1351567.

Interesting!


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Message 1351570 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 19:08:50 UTC

Wauw, really interesting. Thanx again Lynn :)

@Chris: wouldn't that be something... I know quite a few people who believe they are physically among us. I'm a little bit skeptical though...
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Message 1351574 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 19:16:38 UTC

@Julie, wouldn't it just ... We have very similar thoughts. That last scene in Close Encounters - I'd go with them, I really would. Even the film Cocoon makes me think.

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Message 1351576 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 19:20:11 UTC

I really like the movie 'Contact' although some scenes are a bit far fetched...
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Message 1351614 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 20:19:21 UTC

Just personal opinion but I could never buy into any of the alien visitation theories.

This distances involved are just so incredibly massive and the energy cost in travelling those distances (even for a super-advanced civilization) would be just too great.

Sometimes I think that people really don't appreciate just how massively huge the universe is.

Do aliens exist? The numbers would seem to indicate that they likely do.

Do aliens visit earth? The same numbers seem to indicate that they likely do not.
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Message 1351617 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 20:28:23 UTC

Hiyah Kenz.

Do aliens exist? The numbers would seem to indicate that they likely do.

Agreed.

Do aliens visit earth? The same numbers seem to indicate that they likely do not.

Beg to differ on that one. Best to behave on the safe side and accept they probably do ...

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Message 1351640 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 22:00:44 UTC - in response to Message 1351376.
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... This one is also strange.


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Mysterious pond circles have been spotted in a pond in upstate New York, sparking talks about a potential visit from extraterrestrial beings, according to reports.

Strange: yes.

'Mysterious' enough to invoke "it must be devilish aliens!"? I don't think so.

The pattern of ice melt looks very natural to me, promoted from specific 'seed' points. Similar examples are such as:

Lackford Lakes ice melt

Carbon in permafrost and tomorrow’s atmosphere (see the ice heave picture)


Now for a really fun one, see:

Salmon River Ice Circle Photo Story


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Message 1351727 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 8:27:29 UTC - in response to Message 1351617.


Beg to differ on that one. Best to behave on the safe side and accept they probably do ...




I second that opinion...They may not be here in a form as we know it but in another form we're not familiar with...
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Message 1351806 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 14:49:29 UTC - in response to Message 1306165.

How can this occur since in our
three dimensional world the two half photons are not connected for they were
split. They must still be connected in some way...via another but unseen
dimension for how else could each half photon know what the other half is doing
in supposed isolation.




Can you point to a case where an actual message has been sent faster than the speed of light?

I have always believed this was impossible.

In your description a super accurate clock should be able to tell us what the size of the other dimension is in terms of being distant from our 3-D world.

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Message 1351825 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 15:56:18 UTC - in response to Message 1351806.
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How can this occur since in our
three dimensional world the two half photons are not connected for they were
split. They must still be connected in some way...via another but unseen
dimension for how else could each half photon know what the other half is doing
in supposed isolation.

They are connected by their recent history - the '4th dimension' we call "time".

I suspect that there is a trick of oscillating hidden state at play, with the 'entanglement' synchronising the start conditions...


Can you point to a case where an actual message has been sent faster than the speed of light?

I have always believed this was impossible.

There are various examples of abstract thought and coincidence that appear to operate faster than all possible feats of communication.

A good example for example is that of the Battle of the River Plate:

The two British ships are joined by the Cumberland. Everyone marvels that the ship made the 1,000 mile trip in 35 hours. They ask how they made the voyage so fast and the message comes back: Anticipation.


In your description a super accurate clock should be able to tell us what the size of the other dimension is in terms of being distant from our 3-D world.

How so? We have the circular problem that the best we can do with regard to time is measure it only with respect to movement/oscillation in our '3d' physical dimensions... ('Movement/Oscillation' is dependent on the very same 'time' which is what we're trying to measure in some way...)


That is analogous to the problem of whether or not we would be able to realize if we were within a simulation... The actors in the film Matrix had a few obvious clues with such as black cats... ;-)


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Message 1351841 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 16:43:29 UTC - in response to Message 1351617.

Hiyah Kenz.

Do aliens exist? The numbers would seem to indicate that they likely do.

Agreed.

Do aliens visit earth? The same numbers seem to indicate that they likely do not.

Beg to differ on that one. Best to behave on the safe side and accept they probably do ...



My biggest issue with the whole idea of alien visitation is the question of why? No matter how advanced your civilization, travel between the stars is going to be a very costly enterprise.

Why would they bother? To all available observations there are plenty of planets out there if they were desperate for natural resources. Likewise the more we look the more likely it seems that life itself is relatively abundant. And I refuse to believe that they would come here because we humans are here. That's just human arrogance speaking - really, we are not very interesting.

So, why would they pay that enormous energy budget to come here? There is no reason why they would. Therefore, they don't.

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Message 1351889 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 18:18:18 UTC

My biggest issue with the whole idea of alien visitation is the question of why? No matter how advanced your civilization, travel between the stars is going to be a very costly enterprise. So, why would they pay that enormous energy budget to come here? There is no reason why they would. Therefore, they don't.

I can only refer you to the mission objectives of Star Trek.

Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.

I cannot think of a better reason for them or us ....

It is there, we can, so we do.

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Message 1351913 - Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 19:24:27 UTC

If aliens are as inquisitive as we are and they have the possibilities and an advanced technology I really think they'd pay us a visit . I also do have the hypothesis they were here already in the past...
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Message 1352068 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 9:52:18 UTC

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Message 1352213 - Posted: 30 Mar 2013, 18:45:47 UTC - in response to Message 1351889.
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My biggest issue with the whole idea of alien visitation is the question of why? No matter how advanced your civilization, travel between the stars is going to be a very costly enterprise. So, why would they pay that enormous energy budget to come here? There is no reason why they would. Therefore, they don't.

I can only refer you to the mission objectives of Star Trek.

Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.

I cannot think of a better reason for them or us ....

It is there, we can, so we do.



Star Trek = science fiction where it is very easy to travel around the universe.

Reality is that space is really, really, really big and no matter how advanced your technology it is going to be very, very, very difficult to get anywhere beyond their home solar system. I don't think that you or Julie have any true appreciation for just how vast these distances really are.

You don't make that kind of undertaking without some very compelling reasons. I've yet to hear any reason that makes any kind of rational sense.

I suspect that people believe in alien visitation for the same reason that others believe in some invisible man-in-the-sky. They want it to be true. But wanting something to be true doesn't make it true. It just makes the believers easy targets for you-tube pranksters and con-artists.
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