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Message 1285096 - Posted: 18 Sep 2012, 9:47:55 UTC - in response to Message 1285047.

Johnney, science has no Book of Revelation. There is no scientific Book coming from God. The Bible is not a scientific text. We Catholics have learned this from Galileo. You are trying to bring us back to the Middle Ages. You will not succeed.
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Tullio,
Yes to everything you said.
Science IS the book of Revelation!
God did write a science book, i have it, and i'm working to translate it!
And yes, the Bible has tonnes of science. But its coded!
Yes, i'm also a Catholic, and we did learn lots from Galileo.

I'm not trying to bring us back to the middle ages. I'm trying to catapult us forward to the point in time where science and religion reunite. For 5,800 years of human history, God's word was King. About 150 years ago scientists started to split away from God and religion. But i'm the link that will pull the two back together again. You can't have science without religion. And you can't have religion without science!

Not succeed Tullio??

I now work for God. God is my employer and i am his servant. I labour day and night to do God's work. And with God's help, i will succeed. The Lord is my shepherd, he guide me through the valley of darkness. I will succeed!

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Message 1285097 - Posted: 18 Sep 2012, 9:49:02 UTC - in response to Message 1285094.

In my mind, there were never been any big bang, no black holes nor white holes, no dark matter but maybe some kind of black energy which should more be called invisible energy :P

Michel,
I'm glad someone else agree's with me...:)

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Message 1285100 - Posted: 18 Sep 2012, 10:05:45 UTC - in response to Message 1285097.

In my mind, there were never been any big bang, no black holes nor white holes, no dark matter but maybe some kind of black energy which should more be called invisible energy :P

Michel,
I'm glad someone else agree's with me...:)

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ya i agree with you on these things.

sorry, i didnt process any WU of all summer (too hot), so i lost the ability to make post at some point :P
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Message 1285126 - Posted: 18 Sep 2012, 12:15:13 UTC - in response to Message 1285100.
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In my mind, there were never been any big bang, no black holes nor white holes, no dark matter but maybe some kind of black energy which should more be called invisible energy :P

Michel,
I'm glad someone else agree's with me...:)

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ya i agree with you on these things.

sorry, i didnt process any WU of all summer (too hot), so i lost the ability to make post at some point :P

Michel,
Its good we agree!

But tell me why? What leads you to the conclusion that there is no big bang, no black holes nor white holes, no dark matter?

Is it just a general belief? Is it just your instinct, like a feeling these things are wrong? Or did you read something that suggested these things don't exist?

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Message 1285292 - Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 0:34:36 UTC - in response to Message 1285126.

Update:





Dark Energy Camera Captures First Sparkling Space Pictures



The world's most sensitive digital camera has begun peering into deep space, and the barred spiral galaxy NGC 1365 looks to be staring right back. Some 60 million light-years from Earth, NGC 1365 stars among the first pictures from the new 570-megapixel Dark Energy Camera, released Tuesday.





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Message 1285397 - Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 7:37:22 UTC - in response to Message 1285096.
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Just read the "Human phenomenon" by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, SJ. He coined the term "noosphere" in the Fifties. The noosphere is the sphere of knowledge, a gigantic brain which envelopes the Earth. This before Internet existed. He died in New York in 1954 and is buried there. Rome did not want him.
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Message 1285406 - Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 8:48:31 UTC

new 570-megapixel Dark Energy Camera

Makes my 12Mp Nikon look a bit miniscule! Great picture.

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Message 1285448 - Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 10:59:17 UTC - in response to Message 1285406.

I have a Canon SLR (no DSLR), a Yashica with a Zeiss Tessar lens and a Sonu Dsc-V3, also with a Zeiss Vario Sonnar lens. The first two are not digital and I am sorry to have to abandon them to junk. Digital photography is killing all photographer's shops where I used to go and discuss lenses or buy new lenses for the Canon. All this is part of the past.
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Message 1285528 - Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 16:20:32 UTC - in response to Message 1285292.

A really great image of the spiral galaxy, NGC 1365.

The only way to see it right now, is via space telescope.

In the northern hemisphere, it rises in the S.E. at around 3:15PM and sets in the S.W. by 10PM.

It never gets far enough above the horizon to do any decent viewing, much less imaging.

Imaging is my primary objective of my astronomy endeaver.

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Message 1285592 - Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 18:27:57 UTC

Hi TEX,
Welcome to the SETI forums, good to have you with us my friend!

I heard you mention in another thread you do some astronomy. Do you have a website or any of your images on the web? Be nice to take a look at what your seeing in the Texan sky's.

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Message 1285675 - Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 22:36:59 UTC - in response to Message 1285406.

new 570-megapixel Dark Energy Camera

Makes my 12Mp Nikon look a bit miniscule! Great picture.

Reading through it all, it is made of 62 x 9.2Mp sensors,
So, no to bad afterall :¬)

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Message 1285808 - Posted: 20 Sep 2012, 12:30:15 UTC - in response to Message 1285126.
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Michel,
Its good we agree!

But tell me why? What leads you to the conclusion that there is no big bang, no black holes nor white holes, no dark matter?

Is it just a general belief? Is it just your instinct, like a feeling these things are wrong? Or did you read something that suggested these things don't exist?

John.


sorry i didnt had time to come explain why.

and first. i need to say : sorry about my sentences, english isnt my primary language, i m french. so it s abit hard for me to explain something... specially .. ideas ^^

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about big bang :

i dont believe there was an unique big mass that exploded in every direction.
yes all the galaxies are expanding, but they arent moving all in opposite direction, if they would, there would be never any collisions.
and collisions and vampirism between galaxies are quite frequent

---

about black holes :

never saw any black hole in my life ^^ even when i look into the middle of a galaxie, i dont see a black mass which will suck everything, even the light. no. me, i rather see a big huge huge sun which is so bright, that all the center part is only a big huge light. the light is so bright, that you cant even define what is the contour of the mass, in the center.

did you ever 'saw' a black hole ?? nan you cant, we cant see them! it suck so hard things...even the light cant get out of that thing !!
yeah - yeah. why you dont rather try to sell refrigerators to inuits ?

---

about dark matter :

all the dark matter came from the idea that the universe should have a 'certain' mass and they were unable to explain where that 'disappeared' mass was gone. so they are saying it s there ! we cant see it, cant touch it, cant feel it... but its there ! and it has 'that' mass !

and i think it s linked also to the big bang which i dont believe.

---

about dark energy : or rather 'invisible' energy.

in my mind , everything is part of a so huge being which we dont even know what is the form it has. it s like living on a atom, or an electron turning around an atom (like if it would be our planet turning around the mass in center, our sun) and all of this, billions of billions of billions atoms/electron (galaxies/suns/planets) it s part of a person or part of a form.(god) .... but you cant see, or imagine the person it forms cause you are 'inside'. so tiny and inside.

you would need to be so huge, and be outside from far in order to be able to see its form.

and the energy it s 'its' life. it is that " being's " energy.


or we can say the energy is the god's life or god's energy.

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it s possible all my thinking came from instinct. there is no voices talking to me ^^
and i hope you understood something ^^ haha
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Message 1285810 - Posted: 20 Sep 2012, 12:48:39 UTC
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Regarding the comment:

"I firmly stand over my claim that there is no Dark energy and there is no Dark matter!"

Personaly, I'm not sure about the "Dark Energy", but I know for a fact, "Dark Matter" does exist !
It's red in color and very dangerous!

Spock will be carrying it around in his ship some 600 or so years from now. And some lunatic, ex-miner will steal it and use just a tiny bit of the "Dark Matter" to destroy Spock's home world.

Stick around and you'll see for yourself.

Frankly, I'm too old and tired to hang around to watch it happen; though it would be kinda cool to meet Kirk.

And another thing, There was a "Big Bang"!
Just because no one heard "IT" doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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Message 1285811 - Posted: 20 Sep 2012, 12:56:56 UTC - in response to Message 1285810.
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Just because no one heard "IT" doesn't mean it didn't happen.


like "IT" doesn't mean it effectivly happen :P
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Message 1285815 - Posted: 20 Sep 2012, 13:38:13 UTC
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Once upon a time there was the steady state theory of Bondi-Gold-Hoyle, with no Big Bang. Then came in 1964 the discovery of the cosmic microwave background radiation at 2.7 K by Penzias and Wilson, which had been predicted as a result of a Big Bang by George Gamow. End of the steady state theory. This is history.
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Message 1285820 - Posted: 20 Sep 2012, 14:39:57 UTC
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Ah, Yes, I remember Blondy(from "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly"),Goldy(from "Laugh IN"), and the card game guy, Hoyle.
They gave up on "Steady State" and went on to learn "Texas Hold 'em".
That there is a high stakes card game fer you guys who play nothin' but Chess.

As I also recall, didn't Penzias and Wilson work for Bell Labs at the time.
Used that humongous horn type antenna/wave guide............?
.
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Oh and hey there John; I'll be posting some more astro-pics on my "PhotoBucket" site:
.
http://s1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/Tex2024/Tex2024%20AstroPhotos/

There's only a few there right now.

I use three different cameras while imaging:
Orion SSDS Color Imager, and for best results, my Canon 450D/XSi DSLR.
An Orion SS AutoGuide Cam is used for offset guiding during long exposures; plugs into the rear of my top-mounted "Explore Scientific" ED80mm APO.

I use two different scopes for viewing and imaging:
In my observatory, a Celestron CPC1100 with a top-mounted ED80mm. I use an Orion Planetary/AutoGuide Camera on this 80 as well.
And, for portability in the field, an "Explore-Scientific" ED127mm APO Triplet with another ED80mm on top.

The CPC1100 is permanently mounted on a precision "Wedge" since it is a "Fork-Mount" scope, and too heavy to be hauling around at "Star Party"s.
The ED127mm is my portable rig and I use the Orion Atlas EQ-G equatorial mount for it.
The mount is absolutely the most important piece of equipment. German Equatorial is the only way to go. That's where your $$$ needs to go.

If you're interested, you can see my ranch and the OB; little white dot in the middle of one of my pastures...north of the old house.

http://s1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/Tex2024/?action=view&current=ranch-2.jpg

Regards to All,
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Message 1285847 - Posted: 20 Sep 2012, 16:04:10 UTC - in response to Message 1285808.


sorry i didnt had time to come explain why.

and first. i need to say : sorry about my sentences, english isnt my primary language, i m french. so it s abit hard for me to explain something... specially .. ideas ^^

---

about big bang :

i dont believe there was an unique big mass that exploded in every direction.
yes all the galaxies are expanding, but they arent moving all in opposite direction, if they would, there would be never any collisions.
and collisions and vampirism between galaxies are quite frequent

---

about black holes :

never saw any black hole in my life ^^ even when i look into the middle of a galaxie, i dont see a black mass which will suck everything, even the light. no. me, i rather see a big huge huge sun which is so bright, that all the center part is only a big huge light. the light is so bright, that you cant even define what is the contour of the mass, in the center.

did you ever 'saw' a black hole ?? nan you cant, we cant see them! it suck so hard things...even the light cant get out of that thing !!
yeah - yeah. why you dont rather try to sell refrigerators to inuits ?

---

about dark matter :

all the dark matter came from the idea that the universe should have a 'certain' mass and they were unable to explain where that 'disappeared' mass was gone. so they are saying it s there ! we cant see it, cant touch it, cant feel it... but its there ! and it has 'that' mass !

and i think it s linked also to the big bang which i dont believe.

---

about dark energy : or rather 'invisible' energy.

in my mind , everything is part of a so huge being which we dont even know what is the form it has. it s like living on a atom, or an electron turning around an atom (like if it would be our planet turning around the mass in center, our sun) and all of this, billions of billions of billions atoms/electron (galaxies/suns/planets) it s part of a person or part of a form.(god) .... but you cant see, or imagine the person it forms cause you are 'inside'. so tiny and inside.

you would need to be so huge, and be outside from far in order to be able to see its form.

and the energy it s 'its' life. it is that " being's " energy.


or we can say the energy is the god's life or god's energy.

---

it s possible all my thinking came from instinct. there is no voices talking to me ^^
and i hope you understood something ^^ haha

Thanks Michel,
I understood everything you said. You have good English.

It seems its more your instinct that tells you these things don't exist.

John.

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Message 1285849 - Posted: 20 Sep 2012, 16:07:48 UTC - in response to Message 1285815.
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Once upon a time there was the steady state theory of Bondi-Gold-Hoyle, with no Big Bang. Then came in 1964 the discovery of the cosmic microwave background radiation at 2.7 K by Penzias and Wilson, which had been predicted as a result of a Big Bang by George Gamow. End of the steady state theory. This is history.
Tullio

Tullio,
I strongly suspect that the steady state universe theory will make an appearance on the scene again very shortly. And every astronomer and cosmologist will all eventually agree it was correct all along.

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Message 1285856 - Posted: 20 Sep 2012, 16:18:01 UTC - in response to Message 1285820.
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Oh and hey there John; I'll be posting some more astro-pics on my "PhotoBucket" site:
.
http://s1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/Tex2024/Tex2024%20AstroPhotos/

There's only a few there right now.

I use three different cameras while imaging:
Orion SSDS Color Imager, and for best results, my Canon 450D/XSi DSLR.
An Orion SS AutoGuide Cam is used for offset guiding during long exposures; plugs into the rear of my top-mounted "Explore Scientific" ED80mm APO.

I use two different scopes for viewing and imaging:
In my observatory, a Celestron CPC1100 with a top-mounted ED80mm. I use an Orion Planetary/AutoGuide Camera on this 80 as well.
And, for portability in the field, an "Explore-Scientific" ED127mm APO Triplet with another ED80mm on top.

The CPC1100 is permanently mounted on a precision "Wedge" since it is a "Fork-Mount" scope, and too heavy to be hauling around at "Star Party"s.
The ED127mm is my portable rig and I use the Orion Atlas EQ-G equatorial mount for it.
The mount is absolutely the most important piece of equipment. German Equatorial is the only way to go. That's where your $$$ needs to go.

If you're interested, you can see my ranch and the OB; little white dot in the middle of one of my pastures...north of the old house.

http://s1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/Tex2024/?action=view&current=ranch-2.jpg

Regards to All,
Jim H.

Tex,
You got some shockingly beautiful astro images there my friend. It takes great time and patients to get quality images like that. I love your Horsehead Nebula;
http://s1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/Tex2024/Tex2024%20AstroPhotos/?action=view&current=HH-Flame.jpg

LOL....And your ranch looks a bit like South Fork. Dallas reappeared on our TV screens there recently and old J.R. is back playing his old Texan oil man tricks again. I bet he lives just down the road from you! :)

John.

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Message 1286105 - Posted: 21 Sep 2012, 1:44:03 UTC - in response to Message 1285849.

John, you are a good storyteller. You keep us in suspense, just like a good comic strip author. Just wait for the next issue of the paper.
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