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John, you are a good storyteller. You keep us in suspense, just like a good comic strip author. Just wait for the next issue of the paper. Tullio, Yes, i try my best to provide entertainment for you. I hope you enjoy it. John. | |
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John, something about red shift and steady state universe just does not work for me. How does it work for you? | |
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John, something about red shift and steady state universe just does not work for me. How does it work for you? betreger, Glad you asked that question. And i will be very honest here, i don't have the precise answer, yet! The whole big bang theory rests on the red shift theory. If red shift is proven wrong, then the big bang never happened. So truth be known, the whole big bang theory is resting on very thin ice. Here is a fact to show you just how thin the red shift theory is; There isn't a single scientific experiment you can carry out in a lab that conclusively proves that the wavelength of light changes, or red shifts, because the object emitting the light is moving. In other words, the only place we see red shifted light is from deep astronomy images. Its never been proven in a scientific laboratory test. So taking that into account, there are multiple other explanation's for why the wavelength of light might change, or appear to change! One possibility is that it doesn't change at all and its an optical illusion that astronomers see because, in theory, they are looking "out" of the bubble of energy the earth is sitting in. A bit like a fish in a bowl in your kitchen. The fish looks out of his spherical glass bowl and observes the world. Then the fish measures the world outside. But the fish's measurements are bent because the glass bowl acts as a magnifying glass. The fish never notices that he is looking out through the glass bowl, so he makes mistakes in his measurements and never notices. Its one possibility. Maybe we are in a type of glass bowl looking out and not noticing it, just like the fish. John. ____________ | |
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John, I really like Doppler. | |
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You can observe the Doppler effect any time you stand by a railroad. Sound and light are both waveforms. Works for me! | |
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Here is a fact to show you just how thin the red shift theory is; Unsurprisingly, you're dead wrong. The Pound–Rebka experiment achieves exactly that. ____________ | |
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The Big Bang theory does not rest on redshift but on the cosmic microwave background, detected in 1964 by Penzias and Wilson, and successively analyzed by the COBE satellite. It is an observable effect, foreseen by George Gamow. "Theory determines what can be observed", said Albert Einstein. | |
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The doppler effect is real. A moving source that is going away from an observer will show a shift to lower frequencies (red end of the spectrum so to speak). I would expect that the Galaxies are expanding and generally rushing away from each other. They should be slowing now in their expansion due to the effect of what we call gravity. | |
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The doppler effect is real. A moving source that is going away from an observer will show a shift to lower frequencies (red end of the spectrum so to speak). I would expect that the Galaxies are expanding and generally rushing away from each other. They should be slowing now in their expansion due to the effect of what we call gravity. I tend to agree with the possibility of a larger universe. A larger source of gravity would explain the expansion acceleration. I saw a program that indicated that many galaxies are moving toward one direction, not necessarily away from a center, but longitudinally. That too may be gravity induced. Steve ____________ Warning, addicted to SETI crunching! Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group. GPUUG Website | |
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Ya know. It seems to me that we may have it backwards. It is said that the farthest away galaxies are receding the fastest. Well the farthest away galaxies are showing us what happened 13 billion years ago or thereabouts. That long ago, things were traveling faster than now due to the energy of the big bang and gravity did not have enough time to slow them down. | |
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Ya know. It seems to me that we may have it backwards. It is said that the farthest away galaxies are receding the fastest. Well the farthest away galaxies are showing us what happened 13 billion years ago or thereabouts. That long ago, things were traveling faster than now due to the energy of the big bang and gravity did not have enough time to slow them down. It would be extremely interesting to see what the universe is doing in real time, but no matter where you are in the universe, your point of reference changes, and as what is moving where, and how fast. Steve ____________ Warning, addicted to SETI crunching! Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group. GPUUG Website | |
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Nothing. In the "inflationary universe" by Alan Guth, MIT professor, things were happening much faster than in the subsequent times. | |
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If the Big Bang was ever supposed to have happened, where is its starting place or location in space? The way I understand it the starting point for the big bang is everywhere since it started with a singularity. I understand it is hard to wrap your mind around that concept since I too have a hard time getting a mental image. ____________ Bob DeWoody | |
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Bob and MusicPlayer, | |
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Johnny your explanation flies in the face of every observation made since Edwin Hubble pointed his new telescope into the night sky. I don't necessarily believe current astrophysicists have gotten everything figured out but I think they are basically on the right track. The fact that I don't understand something doesn't make it wrong. | |
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Johnny your explanation flies in the face of every observation made since Edwin Hubble pointed his new telescope into the night sky. I don't necessarily believe current astrophysicists have gotten everything figured out but I think they are basically on the right track. The fact that I don't understand something doesn't make it wrong. Bob, Yes, my explanation DOES fly in the face of mainstream astronomy. But mainstream astronomy is in crisis. And the whole of theoretical astronomy and cosmology is about to get a rude awakening. John. ____________ | |
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... Yes, my explanation DOES fly in the face of mainstream astronomy. But mainstream astronomy is in crisis. And the whole of theoretical astronomy and cosmology is about to get a rude awakening. Says who? Oh... Says just you?... We're still awaiting your book ;-) Or just like the YouTube PropagandaBuster, are we 'writing' your book for you?... Keep searchin', Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3) | |
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I said Johnney is a good storyteller and he agreed with me. He keeps us in suspense for his revelations, but they never come, and, in my humble opinion, they will never come. | |
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I said Johnney is a good storyteller and he agreed with me. He keeps us in suspense for his revelations, but they never come, and, in my humble opinion, they will never come. Perhaps he is trying to 'teach' us and make 'believers' out of us?... For to be told: Just as for true believers, the final Revelation never comes... Then also, the exploration of Science merely forever expands the horizon of ignorance ;-) Whatever might be the Johnney story, it's got to be better than Dan Brown's 'amalgam' or such as the Texas Tony Propaganda YouTube written book... :-) Keep searchin', Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3) | |
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