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TEX Send message Joined: 15 Mar 12 Posts: 16 Credit: 3,437,862 RAC: 0	Message 1280835 - Posted: 7 Sep 2012, 2:22:01 UTC
	All of the "Foundation" series novels by Isaac Asimov, I'm pretty much convinced WE may be it, at least in this Galaxy. Ofcourse, through some sort of time/space warp, we might hear something from our progeny who are alive and well 20,000 years in the future. They will have had to go through the whole Robot thing before hand. For now, I'll just keep on working with my Astrophotography on clear, moonless nights and let my PC keep on listenin' for something. Heading up to the "Okie-Tex Star Party" this weekend for seven days of lookin' and photographing DSOs.... Jim
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bluestar Send message Joined: 5 Sep 12 Posts: 231 Credit: 1,176,335 RAC: 1	Message 1280837 - Posted: 7 Sep 2012, 2:33:02 UTC
	Oh, did man ever land on the moon? They were the Apollo 11 through Apollo 17 astronauts, by the way. With the exception of Apollo 13. What did they possibly encounter there? Were they possibly asked not to never come back (meaning never return back to the moon)? Who could have been so clever, sinister or mean in order to tell Neal Armstrong and "Buzz" Aldrin such a fact? In fact - stating "Go away"! In the end, is this true? The moon is still visible in the heavens.
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 30984 Credit: 11,170,607 RAC: 19,941	Message 1280927 - Posted: 7 Sep 2012, 8:40:30 UTC
	A total of twelve men have landed on the Moon. This was accomplished with two US pilot-astronauts flying a Lunar Module on each of six NASA missions across a 41-month time span starting on 21 July 1969 UTC, with Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin on Apollo 11, and ending on 14 December 1972 UTC with Gene Cernan and Jack Schmitt on Apollo 17 (with Cernan being the last to step off the lunar surface). The programme stopped with lack of funding. We haven't returned because NASA's budget was slashed during the Apollo program. We went to the Moon for political reasons; it was a matter of national pride. Once we beat the Soviets, the taxpayers didn't want to see their money wasted on a project that they believed wouldn't benefit them. It's not cheap to go to the Moon, and NASA was forced to realign its priorities.
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The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 4990 Credit: 1,923,942 RAC: 1,012	Message 1280960 - Posted: 7 Sep 2012, 11:10:25 UTC
	Damn budgets, always getting in the way of progress! 500 years ago, it was the Catholic church holding us in the stone-age, now it's accountants! We were supposed to be inhabiting Mars and exploring the heavens by now. Not sat here on our little rock saying "oh it's too expensive". ____________ There's nothing cuter than a baby's laugh. Unless it's 2am and you live alone!
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Dirk Villarreal Wittich Send message Joined: 25 Apr 00 Posts: 2098 Credit: 365,578 RAC: 0	Message 1280979 - Posted: 7 Sep 2012, 12:22:39 UTC - in response to Message 1280927. Last modified: 7 Sep 2012, 12:23:25 UTC
	A total of twelve men have landed on the Moon. This was accomplished with two US pilot-astronauts flying a Lunar Module on each of six NASA missions across a 41-month time span starting on 21 July 1969 UTC, with Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin on Apollo 11, and ending on 14 December 1972 UTC with Gene Cernan and Jack Schmitt on Apollo 17 (with Cernan being the last to step off the lunar surface). The programme stopped with lack of funding. We haven't returned because NASA's budget was slashed during the Apollo program. We went to the Moon for political reasons; it was a matter of national pride. Once we beat the Soviets, the taxpayers didn't want to see their money wasted on a project that they believed wouldn't benefit them. It's not cheap to go to the Moon, and NASA was forced to realign its priorities. I would say that the primary reason for such a break was that the mission had been accomplished----> To arrive to the Moon at the end of the 60´s and last but not least, to win the race between the USA and the Soviet Union. After that the Russians (Soviets) were beaten to the ground, so something else could be done in a different front. ____________
	ID: 1280979 ·

Lint trap Send message Joined: 30 May 03 Posts: 858 Credit: 25,726,176 RAC: 11,990	Message 1281021 - Posted: 7 Sep 2012, 14:38:09 UTC - in response to Message 1280960.
	Damn budgets, always getting in the way of progress! 500 years ago, it was the Catholic church holding us in the stone-age, now it's accountants! We were supposed to be inhabiting Mars and exploring the heavens by now. Not sat here on our little rock saying "oh it's too expensive". It's only TOO EXPENSIVE because the Military-Industrial complex controls the US now...has for a long time.... If there was a military necessity to control Mars, we would have been there a long time ago... Lt
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 30984 Credit: 11,170,607 RAC: 19,941	Message 1281034 - Posted: 7 Sep 2012, 15:28:04 UTC
	It's only TOO EXPENSIVE because the Military-Industrial complex controls the US now...has for a long time.... If there was a military necessity to control Mars, we would have been there a long time ago... I would have thought that the strong possibility of the Chinese building the first permanent manned Moonbase, and charging the USA exorbitant rates for B&B, would have galvanised them into action. Apparently not. Even having to hitch rides from the Russians, of all people, to the ISS doesn't seem to bother them. Why this fascination with the asteroids, have they discovered gold or diamond mines there? Oooooh a new conspiracy theory ......
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ignorance is no excuse Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9529 Credit: 44,433,274 RAC: 0	Message 1281042 - Posted: 7 Sep 2012, 15:44:01 UTC - in response to Message 1281034.
	/humor Ok I thing the author is pulling our collective legs. He's from Oklahoma/Texas. Can read. And read Asimov. Get real. /end_humor That being said I didn't see anything in the Asimov stories that would preclude us from not being alone. Though some stories lead us to be evolving in the future. ____________ In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope End terrorism by building a school
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The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 4990 Credit: 1,923,942 RAC: 1,012	Message 1281237 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 1:28:33 UTC
	Accountants are the reason i will never fly on Concorde, probably the most significant plane since the Wright brothers, a fact i find deeply saddening. I was at Filton airport in November 2003, when Concorde touched down for the last time, and even then in my adolescent years, i felt a great sense of loss at the passing of an Era. ____________ There's nothing cuter than a baby's laugh. Unless it's 2am and you live alone!
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 30984 Credit: 11,170,607 RAC: 19,941	Message 1281520 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 16:55:45 UTC
	Not just accountants. With only 20 aircraft built, their development represented a substantial economic loss, in addition to which Air France and British Airways (BA) were subsidised by their governments to buy them. As a result of the type’s only crash on 25 July 2000, world economic effects following 9/11, and other factors, its retirement flight was on 26 November 2003.
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The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 4990 Credit: 1,923,942 RAC: 1,012	Message 1281664 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 21:41:30 UTC - in response to Message 1281520.
	Not just accountants. I'm happy to blame politicians as well if you like... ____________ There's nothing cuter than a baby's laugh. Unless it's 2am and you live alone!
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Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 1360 Credit: 546,884 RAC: 349	Message 1281733 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 0:52:38 UTC - in response to Message 1281034.
	It's only TOO EXPENSIVE because the Military-Industrial complex controls the US now...has for a long time.... If there was a military necessity to control Mars, we would have been there a long time ago... I would have thought that the strong possibility of the Chinese building the first permanent manned Moonbase, and charging the USA exorbitant rates for B&B, would have galvanised them into action. Apparently not. Even having to hitch rides from the Russians, of all people, to the ISS doesn't seem to bother them. Why this fascination with the asteroids, have they discovered gold or diamond mines there? Oooooh a new conspiracy theory ...... Obama's announcement about going to an asteroid was a red herring. He knew by declaring this as NASA's next goal for manned space flight that no more manned flights by a US sponsored spacecraft would occur during his Presidency making it easier to furthe cut NASA's budget. ____________ Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required.
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Grant Nelson Send message Joined: 7 May 12 Posts: 3042 Credit: 1,548,022 RAC: 2,043	Message 1284291 - Posted: 15 Sep 2012, 22:55:47 UTC - in response to Message 1281034.
	All the money spent 2 trillion ways to kill somebody and if we had all that no one would be broke., we could be using it for better thing.
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Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 1360 Credit: 546,884 RAC: 349	Message 1284351 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 2:37:21 UTC - in response to Message 1284291.
	All the money spent 2 trillion ways to kill somebody and if we had all that no one would be broke., we could be using it for better thing. Nah, the politicians would have found other ways to line their pockets and waste it. ____________ Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required.
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tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 3564 Credit: 361,349 RAC: 216	Message 1284467 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 14:24:14 UTC Last modified: 16 Sep 2012, 14:24:59 UTC
	Well, the Dawn spacecraft, powered by the Sun, has visited the asteroid Vesta and is now sailing to Ceres on solar power. It should arrive there in 2015. Ceres is a dwarf planet more than an asteroid. Tullio ____________
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Michel448a Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 27 Oct 00 Posts: 1201 Credit: 2,891,635 RAC: 0	Message 1285095 - Posted: 18 Sep 2012, 9:03:12 UTC
	All the money spent 2 trillion ways to kill somebody and if we had all that no one would be broke., we could be using it for better thing. all the army money spent in equipment, research, wars, stamples, and salaries. and that all around the world ____________
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TEX Send message Joined: 15 Mar 12 Posts: 16 Credit: 3,437,862 RAC: 0	Message 1285242 - Posted: 18 Sep 2012, 21:44:59 UTC - in response to Message 1280835.
	Well, back from "The Okie-Tex Star Party"; it was almost a bust since we had only three nights clear enough to do any astro-photography. I used my ED127mm APO Triplet for imaging and the little Orion SSAutoguide CCD on the ED80mm for tracking on the EQ-G mount. What surprises me, is all the off topic responses I got to my original post regarding my "tongue in cheek" remarks about Issac Asimov's Foundation Books. One guy is flat out insulting. I don't get it. I won't be bothering any of you again.
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ignorance is no excuse Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9529 Credit: 44,433,274 RAC: 0	Message 1285282 - Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 0:01:17 UTC - in response to Message 1285242. Last modified: 19 Sep 2012, 0:06:13 UTC
	Hey now. only having a little fun. Being a Texas resident and an Asimov fan I thought it was interesting that a man that dresses for the farm/ranch would be a scifi fan and not more of a western fan. No harm intended. I do hope the viewings were good despite the weather BTW I always thought that Asimov restricted his writing to just humans and robots to eliminate the use of xenophobia as a plot device. I also found it interesting that in some his books advanced robots assimilated into society. More interesting is that he doesn't delve into where they were built or by who. ____________ In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope End terrorism by building a school
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TEX Send message Joined: 15 Mar 12 Posts: 16 Credit: 3,437,862 RAC: 0	Message 1285296 - Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 1:09:52 UTC - in response to Message 1285282.
	Hey ! Thanks for the "Comeback". Once I get of few of my image "subs" processed, I'll put them on line for viewing. "ElDorado Star Party" is in three weeks. Hoping for better conditions. J. ____________
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John McCallum Send message Joined: 5 Dec 04 Posts: 806 Credit: 285,665 RAC: 187	Message 1287047 - Posted: 23 Sep 2012, 14:11:45 UTC - in response to Message 1285296.
	Tex if you read any of the other posts on this forum you will realise quickly that a subject never stays on "message" very long,if it stays in line with the origonal subject for more than the first few posts its a miricle ____________ Old enough to know better(but)still young enough not to care
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