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Message 1320117 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 13:22:42 UTC

Judging by some of the posters here, I thought we already had :-)

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Message 1320156 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 16:40:28 UTC - in response to Message 1320115.

Why hasn't man been able to create even a simple single celled form of life yet?

Why do you believe man should have been able to create a single celled life form, given that the current best approximation suggests it took nature a few hundred million years, and man has been trying to reproduce the event for at most a couple of hundred years?
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Message 1320183 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 21:37:48 UTC - in response to Message 1320156.
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Message 1320257 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 0:28:25 UTC - in response to Message 1320183.

Why hasn't man been able to create even a simple single celled form of life yet?

Why do you believe man should have been able to create a single celled life form, given that the current best approximation suggests it took nature a few hundred million years, and man has been trying to reproduce the event for at most a couple of hundred years?


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I didn't say "man should have." How do you know what happened before you became aware? You weren't there so how do you know? What IS nature to you? Is there anything that has been proven to you to your satisfaction without witnessing it?


Who says you're aware now?
"Go ask Alice" ... or Reginald Broccoli.

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Message 1320264 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 1:01:19 UTC - in response to Message 1320257.

Why hasn't man been able to create even a simple single celled form of life yet?

Why do you believe man should have been able to create a single celled life form, given that the current best approximation suggests it took nature a few hundred million years, and man has been trying to reproduce the event for at most a couple of hundred years?


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I didn't say "man should have." How do you know what happened before you became aware? You weren't there so how do you know? What IS nature to you? Is there anything that has been proven to you to your satisfaction without witnessing it?


Who says you're aware now?
"Go ask Alice" ... or Reginald Broccoli.


We are the only ones self-aware, with a conscience.

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Message 1320282 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 1:38:38 UTC - in response to Message 1320117.
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Why hasn't man been able to create even a simple single celled form of life yet?

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Have you looked at congress lately seems like a lot of slime mold

has been created there.
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Message 1320312 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 4:30:13 UTC - in response to Message 1320115.

Why hasn't man been able to create even a simple single celled form of life yet?

Has anyone attempted to? Are you sure it hasn't been done?

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Message 1320322 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 4:56:39 UTC

No such thing as a simple cell.

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Message 1320329 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 5:12:19 UTC - in response to Message 1320312.
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Why hasn't man been able to create even a simple single celled form of life yet?

Has anyone attempted to? Are you sure it hasn't been done?


It has indeed been attempted.
Originally, success was touted.
Unfortunately, I cannot find anything that still touts it as a success. I guess the beaker was contaminated?
I do not know where I originally heard of the experiment. I'd like to say "Cosmos", but something tells me I am wrong.

[EDIT]I guess it was covered in Cosmos! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yet1xkAv_HY.

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Message 1320333 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 5:18:45 UTC

That would be called---Walking it back. :-}

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Message 1320338 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 5:38:54 UTC - in response to Message 1320329.

Why hasn't man been able to create even a simple single celled form of life yet?

Has anyone attempted to? Are you sure it hasn't been done?


It has indeed been attempted.
Originally, success was touted.
Unfortunately, I cannot find anything that still touts it as a success. I guess the beaker was contaminated?
I do not know where I originally heard of the experiment. I'd like to say "Cosmos", but something tells me I am wrong.

[EDIT]I guess it was covered in Cosmos! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yet1xkAv_HY.

I believe you missed a word at about 28 seconds and the same at about 58 seconds. It is an experiment to build amino acids and it worked. AFIK no one has tried to go from amino acids to life. Bit harder to put a black smoker and a tide pool in a flask.


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Message 1320348 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 6:33:14 UTC - in response to Message 1320183.

Why hasn't man been able to create even a simple single celled form of life yet?

Why do you believe man should have been able to create a single celled life form, given that the current best approximation suggests it took nature a few hundred million years, and man has been trying to reproduce the event for at most a couple of hundred years?


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I didn't say "man should have." How do you know what happened before you became aware? You weren't there so how do you know? What IS nature to you? Is there anything that has been proven to you to your satisfaction without witnessing it?

Indeed you didn't say "man should have", you asked "why hasn't". When one asks "why hasn't such and such thing been done" the implication is that it should have been done. If you did not intend the implication then my apologies, otherwise you are being disingenuous.

How does one know anything? What in the quoted post suggests I know anything of what took place billions of years ago? Nature to me encompasses all things all matter/energy, forces, their interactions and everything that arises from them. And to your final question, yes, for instance, my parents had sex about 9 months before I was born, while I did not witness the event, it has been proven to my satisfaction.
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Message 1320430 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 14:28:10 UTC - in response to Message 1320338.

...[EDIT]I guess it was covered in Cosmos! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yet1xkAv_HY.

I believe you missed a word at about 28 seconds and the same at about 58 seconds. It is an experiment to build amino acids and it worked. AFIK no one has tried to go from amino acids to life. Bit harder to put a black smoker and a tide pool in a flask.

What life and what mechanics implementing that life?

Some good food for thought:

Artificial life

Non-cellular life

Hypothetical types of biochemistry


Now to cook your cookie... Are we God to the a-life forms when we run an a-life simulation on a computer? What of the Matrix?...


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Message 1320432 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 14:35:11 UTC - in response to Message 1320348.

Why hasn't man been able to create even a simple single celled form of life yet?

... And to your final question, yes, for instance, my parents had sex about 9 months before I was born, while I did not witness the event, it has been proven to my satisfaction.

For doing that the 'hard way' outside the machinery of cellular life, various groups are indeed putting together the tools and examples for doing just that. However, the immense detail required is expensive and so there is a long way to go yet... There's going to be some fantastic medical spin-offs as a result.

As for why we're not able... Well, we are! Looks like I've been beaten to that answer for working within the existing cellular machinery!


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Message 1320441 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 15:32:49 UTC

You would all be off topic. The question is what God did before Creation, not after creation.


None of you joined in the conversation on topic and are still off topic now.

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Message 1320445 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 15:51:25 UTC

Nobody has yet proved there is a god, therefore how can anyone guess or imagine what one might have been doing before "creation". Nobody has proved that any god created us either, therefore it is a nonsense question.

If it was re-worded to ask "Assuming that there is a god, and assuming that this god did create the world and the universe, then what did this god do before that?" then you might have a basis for some conjecture. Even then there is simply too much assumption. This is a waste of time!

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Message 1320502 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 19:18:24 UTC - in response to Message 1320445.

Nobody has yet proved there is a god, therefore how can anyone guess or imagine what one might have been doing before "creation". Nobody has proved that any god created us either, therefore it is a nonsense question.

If it was re-worded to ask "Assuming that there is a god, and assuming that this god did create the world and the universe, then what did this god do before that?" then you might have a basis for some conjecture. Even then there is simply too much assumption. This is a waste of time!


Time? It isn't wasted. It's ignored at our own peril.

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Message 1320523 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 20:09:11 UTC - in response to Message 1320445.

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Message 1320534 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 20:45:55 UTC

I have clearly posted here what God did before time started in our verse, as it has been written in the Bible. You either believe in God and the Bible as truth or you do not.

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Message 1320553 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 21:56:58 UTC - in response to Message 1320441.

You would all be off topic. The question is what God did before Creation, not after creation.


None of you joined in the conversation on topic and are still off topic now.

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that is not true I said he delivered pizza.

But more to the point if god is infinite he she or it is unknowable.

there for any god that is knowable is a creation of man, any other view

is the height of arrogance.

so are you arrogant, or is it ok to say the universe is a neat place

but man does not know every thing yet:)

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