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Message 1291366 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 20:24:53 UTC - in response to Message 1291243.

So are we now to assume that this book is NOT the bible, but the book of Revelations WITHIN the bible?


Chris,
I told you before, and i was quite clear. The "old book" that i do research on is NOT the Bible. But i do read the Bible too because it tells me roughly what happened back then.

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Message 1291367 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 20:26:28 UTC - in response to Message 1291277.

It sounds like he is talking about time travel. Humans who discoverd genetics and made themselves imortal. And in past posts he said that 5 or 6,000 years ago mankind was gentically enginered.

Good Man James!
You got it! Perfect! But without the time travel bit.

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Message 1291547 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 8:11:23 UTC

So are we now to assume that this book is NOT the bible, but the book of Revelations WITHIN the bible?

Chris,
I told you before, and i was quite clear. The "old book" that i do research on is NOT the Bible. But i do read the Bible too because it tells me roughly what happened back then.

I'm glad you made that clear John, you have always stated that, but it seemed to be a bit different in a recent post about Revelations. OK, as we were!

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Message 1291622 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 14:55:43 UTC - in response to Message 1291001.
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... And then...


There is the Johnny Guinness 'Long Yarn' ...

Martin,
Be truthful with me for once! Do you believe any of the stuff i posted on these boards in the last year and a half?

Don't make a laugh of the question. Answer it seriously. Have i made it all up Martin? Or do you think i really have something?

You certainly have 'something', and that 'something' could well make a good book. There's certainly enough material there and there are in there the germs of various 'fun' ideas. That all could make for a very good story. Hope you're keeping structured notes to put together a few chapters!

However, a story is not 'science'. If you have repeatable and understandable evidence that will survive scrutiny, then great! Otherwise, you still have a good story.

And then also... You can run a long run on the narrative... ;-)


Still some good fun intrigue! :-)

Keep searchin',
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Message 1291638 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 15:55:42 UTC - in response to Message 1291367.
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It sounds like he is talking about time travel. Humans who discoverd genetics and made themselves imortal. And in past posts he said that 5 or 6,000 years ago mankind was gentically enginered.

Good Man James!
You got it! Perfect! But without the time travel bit.

John.

Im afraid I dont have it with out the time travel bit. Ok lets try this. Some where in space a human race evolved. They found genetics and made themselves immortal. So they set out in space on a voyage of discovery. Found our pretty blue planet and some form of advanced great ape.
Here is where I get lost. According to the recent studies by anthropologists the modern human genome goes back 90 to 100,000 years. I could understand if you had stated they worked us up from Lucy but that is way past 6,000 years ago. I could even buy working up Neanderthal man but only early in his existance. As we modern humans coexisted with Neanderthal for many thousands of years.

To paraphrase Bud Abbot and Lou Costello, I got it but dont know what I got.
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Message 1291646 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 16:15:10 UTC - in response to Message 1291367.

It sounds like he is talking about time travel. Humans who discoverd genetics and made themselves imortal. And in past posts he said that 5 or 6,000 years ago mankind was gentically enginered.

Good Man James!
You got it! Perfect! But without the time travel bit.

John.


OK, let's say that this is correct. With all the discoveries made over the past several hundred years, how is it that no trace of those "immortals" have ever been found?

Surely they would have become far superior to those that were living at that time & would have at least, built their own community & all that entails - So, where are the traces?
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Message 1291667 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 17:15:14 UTC - in response to Message 1291547.
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So are we now to assume that this book is NOT the bible, but the book of Revelations WITHIN the bible?

Chris,
I told you before, and i was quite clear. The "old book" that i do research on is NOT the Bible. But i do read the Bible too because it tells me roughly what happened back then.

I'm glad you made that clear John, you have always stated that, but it seemed to be a bit different in a recent post about Revelations. OK, as we were!


Chris,
I did tell you clearly that the Bible is NOT what i am describing as the "old book". The work i am doing is on an "old book" or "old books". I have used this term a lot. But to be clear, there is more than one of these "old books". There are many of these "old books", but the reason i usually say "old book", singular, is that most of my work has focused on just one of them. I have focused on one in particular because its in very good condition, its still readable, to an extent. Its the easiest one to attempt to decode. Some of the other "books" are damaged, to varying different degrees.

The reason that i also discuss the Christian Bible is that the "old books" that i am researching are discussed the whole way through the Christian Bible. The Bible discusses these "old books" in great detail. In fact it mentions them many many times, from the Book of Genesis through to the Book of Revelation. The Bible specifically says that God himself wrote these books. Sometimes the Bible describes these old books as "scrolls", and sometimes the Bible specifically says that the scrolls are "written on both sides".

Chris this is the biggest tip i'm every going to give you - Read the Bible Book of Revelation 4 and 5. It specifically talks about "scrolls" or "books" that God wrote, himself, in person, in ancient history, that are about to be opened. As the "books" are opened, specific events in human history that were foretold in advance, start to happen. Well Chris, these are the "old books" that i have. I have these "books" or "scrolls". Chris i'm the one who openes the books, or maybe i didn't open them, but i'm going to read out their content to the whole world. Do you understand what's happening? Do you understand what i'm doing?

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Message 1291676 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 17:34:06 UTC - in response to Message 1291622.
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... And then...


There is the Johnny Guinness 'Long Yarn' ...

Martin,
Be truthful with me for once! Do you believe any of the stuff i posted on these boards in the last year and a half?

Don't make a laugh of the question. Answer it seriously. Have i made it all up Martin? Or do you think i really have something?

You certainly have 'something', and that 'something' could well make a good book. There's certainly enough material there and there are in there the germs of various 'fun' ideas. That all could make for a very good story. Hope you're keeping structured notes to put together a few chapters!

However, a story is not 'science'. If you have repeatable and understandable evidence that will survive scrutiny, then great! Otherwise, you still have a good story.

And then also... You can run a long run on the narrative... ;-)


Still some good fun intrigue! :-)

Keep searchin',
Martin

Martin,
Thanks for having a little faith!
Yep, its going to be a good story alright, to say the very least. The story of the history of mankind. I have plenty of notes.

John.

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Message 1291677 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 17:34:46 UTC - in response to Message 1291676.
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Message 1291678 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 17:37:49 UTC - in response to Message 1291646.
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OK, let's say that this is correct. With all the discoveries made over the past several hundred years, how is it that no trace of those "immortals" have ever been found?

Well, there are certain things that some people consider as traces, (i.e. several figures that resemble astronauts in ancient ruins, portrayed in similar ways on distant and theoretically unconnected civilzations, and things like that).
I agree that those things are not conclusive, and they can be just the product of an ancient scifi "writter" that turn to be a "best seller" and then spreaded all over the word... But anyway, the fact that we have not found conclusive evidence of something doesnt imply that something doesn't exist...

And what evidence you can find of a space ship that was in orbit several centuries ago and shooted an "alter gen ray" to some selected specimens?
Probably nothing with our current tools...
I know, I know, to much imagination, too low probabilities, and whatnot... but...
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Message 1291685 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 17:53:08 UTC - in response to Message 1291638.
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It sounds like he is talking about time travel. Humans who discoverd genetics and made themselves imortal. And in past posts he said that 5 or 6,000 years ago mankind was gentically enginered.

Good Man James!
You got it! Perfect! But without the time travel bit.

John.

Im afraid I dont have it with out the time travel bit. Ok lets try this. Some where in space a human race evolved. They found genetics and made themselves immortal. So they set out in space on a voyage of discovery. Found our pretty blue planet and some form of advanced great ape.
Here is where I get lost. According to the recent studies by anthropologists the modern human genome goes back 90 to 100,000 years. I could understand if you had stated they worked us up from Lucy but that is way past 6,000 years ago. I could even buy working up Neanderthal man but only early in his existance. As we modern humans coexisted with Neanderthal for many thousands of years.

To paraphrase Bud Abbot and Lou Costello, I got it but dont know what I got.

James Sotherden,
You have it correct James. What is tripping you up is evolution. Evolution does NOT happen under any circumstances. The world science community are FORCED for reject the Bible because it makes no sense what-so-ever. But the human scientists that created us thousands of years ago knew this would happen.

And because aliens are NOT landing on the lawn of the white house, science if forced to aggressively adapt the next best and most realistic scenario that can fit the bill. That theory is Evolution. But it does not mean it happened. And in reality, creatures don't evolve.

But creatures DO CHANGE with time, and we get "diversity" and "hybridisation". A geneticist engineers two Finches (Birds) in a text tube and incubates the creatures. But he does NOT make them the same. He make the two Finches a bit different. When the Finches have babies (1st generation), they will be a "mix" of the two sets of chromosomes from the mother and the father. Then these Finch children again have their own babies (2nd generation). And again, the new babies will have a "mix" of chromosomes from the mother and the father. Some genes being more dominant that others. Now keep doing this for hundreds of generation of Finches and you will get what looks like different breeds of the same species of Bird. In effect, to the observer who does not understand genetics, it might looks like the creatures are evolving. But they are not.

And the same thing happens with all the creatures. If they have the same number of chromosomes, they can interbreed and you get thousands of varieties of each species.

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Message 1291692 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 18:10:27 UTC - in response to Message 1291646.
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It sounds like he is talking about time travel. Humans who discovered genetics and made themselves immortal. And in past posts he said that 5 or 6,000 years ago mankind was genetically engineered.

Good Man James!
You got it! Perfect! But without the time travel bit.

John.


OK, let's say that this is correct. With all the discoveries made over the past several hundred years, how is it that no trace of those "immortals" have ever been found?

Surely they would have become far superior to those that were living at that time & would have at least, built their own community & all that entails - So, where are the traces?

Sirius B,
We have found traces, everywhere! They have always been with us. And yes, they were, and are, far Superior to us! But now that we are learning that war solves nothing and science can improve our lives, we are catching up with them. They knew this would happen, and they wanted this to happen! They wrote the Bible! They are the Prophets and Saints in the Bible. And they will all be cloned and brought back to life and they WILL govern the whole world in one single world government from the New Jerusalem. Every single country on earth will take direct orders from this new single world government, with the Messiah as King of all Kings, Lord of Lords! Just like it says in the bible. There will be no more war, only peace and love between peoples, races, languages and nations.

So who are these Gods?

We all know them very well. But the "history" buffins who write the history books don't believe the stories because they don't understand that you can clone someone and that person is "re-born". So the history books describe these people as "mythological". But truth is, they were as real as you and me.

They were;
The Pharaohs
The Greek Gods
The Inca's
The Mayans
Many of the Prophets and Saints in the Bible.

And a variety of other incredible civilisations that built some of the most monumental stone structures in human history. Typically, if they were building pyramids, they were scientists. Some of them were half-breeds, and they were mortal, and we have their dead body today, like the Pharaoh's. The Immortals have left, or are hiding in plane site in places you would never think to look. Example; Monks in Monasteries.

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Message 1291739 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 19:19:52 UTC - in response to Message 1291685.

OK, so we've been genetically engineered & left to fend for ourselves in the wild...feasible I suppose....

...however, explain this: -


But the human scientists that created us thousands of years ago knew this would happen.



....Where did they appear from?
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Message 1291745 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 19:44:51 UTC - in response to Message 1291667.

Read the Bible Book of Revelation 4 and 5. It specifically talks about "scrolls" or "books" that God wrote, himself, in person, in ancient history, that are about to be opened. As the "books" are opened, specific events in human history that were foretold in advance, start to happen. Well Chris, these are the "old books" that i have. I have these "books" or "scrolls". Chris i'm the one who openes the books, or maybe i didn't open them, but i'm going to read out their content to the whole world. Do you understand what's happening? Do you understand what i'm doing?

John.


Which is it, that you have access to documents that God wrote, the "Lamb" mentioned in Revelation, or:

So its not that i'm special, cos i'm not.


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Message 1291764 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 20:55:25 UTC

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Message 1291800 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 22:04:36 UTC - in response to Message 1291685.

>You have it correct James. What is tripping you up is evolution. Evolution does NOT happen under any circumstances.

Definitely it is easier to believe in evolution than it is believing in the Bible.

The first thing is science. The secondary thing is not science.

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Message 1291822 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 23:43:54 UTC
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Clearly, the previous comment is in error, as 150-160 years later, people are still arguing against evolution and so many believe The Bible. Or, before I chose agnosticism, I was willing to accept evolution as one of God's mechanisms.

Regarding cognitive science and believing easier to believe stories: Leading Minds.

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Message 1291846 - Posted: 6 Oct 2012, 1:01:53 UTC - in response to Message 1290267.

I think that you all need to journey out to infinity and see if the "Last" number in the 1/3 expansion is a three or not. Perhaps it will be a 4 every now and again. While you are there tell me what the smallest number is that is beyond the last and largest real number ?? They do exist since there are hyper-reals smaller than any real number but greater than zero and I can take the reciprocal of these numbers.

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Message 1291859 - Posted: 6 Oct 2012, 1:33:04 UTC - in response to Message 1291739.
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OK, so we've been genetically engineered & left to fend for ourselves in the wild...feasible I suppose....

...however, explain this: -


But the human scientists that created us thousands of years ago knew this would happen.



....Where did they appear from?

Sirius B,
They live on a planet that orbits another star, not our Sun. A star that is close to us. In all probability, its one of the stars you can see in the night sky without any binoculars or telescope. But no, i don't know which one. And i'm not willing to speculate.

John.

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Message 1291860 - Posted: 6 Oct 2012, 1:38:21 UTC - in response to Message 1291745.

Read the Bible Book of Revelation 4 and 5. It specifically talks about "scrolls" or "books" that God wrote, himself, in person, in ancient history, that are about to be opened. As the "books" are opened, specific events in human history that were foretold in advance, start to happen. Well Chris, these are the "old books" that i have. I have these "books" or "scrolls". Chris i'm the one who openes the books, or maybe i didn't open them, but i'm going to read out their content to the whole world. Do you understand what's happening? Do you understand what i'm doing?

John.


Which is it, that you have access to documents that God wrote, the "Lamb" mentioned in Revelation, or:

So its not that i'm special, cos i'm not.


?

Bobby,
I invited you into another thread there a while ago. I was being nice to you, i was trying to help you understand something that is very complex. Bobby you went into that thread and you cut your own throat. You have done this to me more than once now.

Bobby your on your own my friend. I genuinely wish you the very best of luck.

John.

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