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Message 1291009 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 1:01:47 UTC - in response to Message 1291006.

Bobby,
To be honest, i don't want to discuss genetics with you.

Bobby your a very nice person, and i like you. But your out of line when you attempt to correct me in genetics. Your right, you don't have a great knowledge of genetics. I don't want to discuss it with you.

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My knowledge of genetics may not be great. My ability to research falsehoods seems to be quite good. In that other thread you were provided with academic papers to counter you claims, your argument then was the same as it is now, state that others do not have expertise matching yours, while providing no evidence.

If you want to talk about science, produce the data in support of your claims. So far I've seen very little, if any.
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Message 1291010 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 1:05:46 UTC - in response to Message 1291009.

My knowledge of genetics may not be great. My ability to research falsehoods seems to be quite good. In that other thread you were provided with academic papers to counter you claims, your argument then was the same as it is now, state that others do not have expertise matching yours, while providing no evidence.

If you want to talk about science, produce the data in support of your claims. So far I've seen very little, if any.

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I'm trying to be nice to you, do you get it? Which part do you not understand? I don't want to discuss genetics with you.

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Message 1291011 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 1:07:28 UTC - in response to Message 1291010.

My knowledge of genetics may not be great. My ability to research falsehoods seems to be quite good. In that other thread you were provided with academic papers to counter you claims, your argument then was the same as it is now, state that others do not have expertise matching yours, while providing no evidence.

If you want to talk about science, produce the data in support of your claims. So far I've seen very little, if any.

Bobby,
I'm trying to be nice to you, do you get it? Which part do you not understand? I don't want to discuss genetics with you.

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Then don't be nice, dazzle me with your brilliance.
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Message 1291013 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 1:13:05 UTC - in response to Message 1291011.
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Then don't be nice, dazzle me with your brilliance.

Bobby,
Come into the forum next door, the "Science (non-SETI)" forum. There is a thread in there called "No more Junk DNA in Human Genome". Your welcome to join the conversation Bobby; http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=69291

If you can keep up!

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Message 1291014 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 1:13:15 UTC - in response to Message 1291011.

Bobby, John's self acknowledged gift of gab is often referred to as BS.
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Message 1291054 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 4:48:00 UTC - in response to Message 1291013.


Then don't be nice, dazzle me with your brilliance.

Bobby,
Come into the forum next door, the "Science (non-SETI)" forum. There is a thread in there called "No more Junk DNA in Human Genome". Your welcome to join the conversation Bobby; http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=69291

If you can keep up!

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I asked you to dazzle me. Still waiting.
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Message 1291110 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 9:25:11 UTC - in response to Message 1291004.

John, as an Irishman you were trained to "have the gift of gab", and you use it well. It is a cultural thing.

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Message 1291111 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 9:27:07 UTC - in response to Message 1291000.
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Sarge,
Nobody is forcing you or skilldude to believe anything. I'm stating what i know to be scientific fact. Humanity is about to end and judgement day is almost here. So everyone will get their "moment of glory" where they will be given the chance to plead their case before the Lord God, their creator. This is scientific fact!

John.

You wouldn't recognise a scientific fact if it danced a jig whilst throwing potatoes at you!

You have had the accepted scientific fact repeatedly thrust at you throughout this thread, yet you persistently ignore it in favour of spouting religious drivel about divine judgement.

One day you're in for a hell of a disappointment!
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Message 1291179 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 13:52:45 UTC - in response to Message 1291111.
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Sarge,
Nobody is forcing you or skilldude to believe anything. I'm stating what i know to be scientific fact. Humanity is about to end and judgement day is almost here. So everyone will get their "moment of glory" where they will be given the chance to plead their case before the Lord God, their creator. This is scientific fact!

John.

You wouldn't recognise a scientific fact if it danced a jig whilst throwing potatoes at you!

You have had the accepted scientific fact repeatedly thrust at you throughout this thread, yet you persistently ignore it in favour of spouting religious drivel about divine judgement.

One day you're in for a hell of a disappointment!

The Simonator,
Yes, most sane and logical people might think you have the upper hand here. After all, i'm in the minority on this forum in understanding who and what God is. Logic would suggest that you are correct, and i'm the lunatic.

But here's a scenario;
Imagine if it turned out to be the other way around. Imagine if it turned out in the end that we human beings really were created by God. Imagine if you, Simonator, were wrong, and i was right. That would be shocking, wouldn't it?

Naaaaa......its ridiculous. There is no way that old God story is true! After all, its just an old story what was written thousands of years ago. There is no way that anyone could play God with another person's life. Who would even dream up such a ridiculous scenario. Those Saints and Prophets that were hanging out down in Israel thousands of years ago must have been mad. Imagine all those Saints and Prophets thinking they could fool the whole world into thinking there was other intelligent life somewhere else in the universe that discovered genetic engineering before us. No, its much more likely that us human beings are the cleverest life in the whole universe. After all, there is no way that an old fart like Charles Darwin could have made a mistake. He spent so much time studying those Finches, so he must be right? There is no way that the Finches could be genetic hybrids of a small number of similar species that have an equal number of chromosomes allowing them to inter-breed.

The Lord God is my Shepherd, and he leads me through the the valley of darkness. He leads me into the light, the beautiful light in the beautiful garden that awaits humanity. I asked the Lord my God for help, and he answered. He was good enough to let me peek inside the gates of heaven, where i looked and saw the beautiful wonders that God had prepared for all humanity, but only those who choose God's way and God's law will see the garden. God let me see the wonders in Heaven, and it was beautiful, and the garden was full of love, love was everywhere in the garden. It was full of God's love for humanity. For a short time, i have stepped back from the gates of Heaven so that i can tell other people about what i saw in God's garden, the garden of Eden. Some will believe, and some will never see it.

John.
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Message 1291188 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 14:21:39 UTC

You been at the "black stuff" again John?
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Message 1291191 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 14:25:26 UTC - in response to Message 1291188.

You been at the "black stuff" again John?

Sirius B,
I don't drink. I never touch the stuff.

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Message 1291192 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 14:33:48 UTC - in response to Message 1291191.

You been at the "black stuff" again John?

Sirius B,
I don't drink. I never touch the stuff.

John.


In that case, I's suggest that you stop reading for a while & pop out & smell the roses.

Even better, pop over to Tipperary & stand at the rear of the High Street & look up at the Galtee Mountains, tis a beautiful sight, especially when one is also holding a glass of the "good stuff".... :)
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Message 1291195 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 14:39:49 UTC

The Lord God is my Shepherd, and he leads me through the the valley of darkness. He leads me into the light, the beautiful light in the beautiful garden that awaits humanity. I asked the Lord my God for help, and he answered. He was good enough to let me peek inside the gates of heaven, where i looked and saw the beautiful wonders that God had prepared for all humanity, but only those who choose God's way and God's law will see the garden. God let me see the wonders in Heaven, and it was beautiful, and the garden was full of love, love was everywhere in the garden. It was full of God's love for humanity. For a short time, i have stepped back from the gates of Heaven so that i can tell other people about what i saw in God's garden, the garden of Eden. Some will believe, and some will never see it.

Johnney, a piece of advice as a friend, if you want belief and credence on these boards then you really must stop posting stuff like the above. It is like pulpit preaching on a Sunday in church, and will not cut ice here, or enhance your credibility. It may be your personal belief, but unless you are a lay preacher whose job it is to covert the unbelievers, I would drop it and keep it to yourself.

You say you have found this old book, that you insist is NOT the bible, and that you are in the process of deciphering it. You say that you are doing this upon a scientific basis, and that you have scientific proof about certain things that you say no-one else has found. You go on to say that you don't want to go public in case someone else pinches your ideas and makes money whilst you don't.

If you were really into educating mankind, financial reward would be secondary to the satisfaction of enlightening and teaching people maybe the error of their ways. You keep saying that one day you will publish your findings, but according to you that could be in 5 or 10 or 15 years time, so no-one is encouraged to take you seriously. And why should they? All they have is your word for it, and why should they believe you above anyone else?

My advice is to register with a solicitor the research and findings that you so far have, so that your claim is on record. Then I think you need to tell us what this book is, and let us judge it for ourselves. How likely is it by your posts that anyone else would come to the same conclusions that you have? How likely is it that someone will say, oh look I can make some cash on the back of his work? If this book is freely available as you have claimed, then anyone in the world had the freedom to do what you claim you have done.

You are already aware that I share your belief about ET vists about 14,000-11,000 BC, but that is a different matter to the original quote above and this book. They are all three separate matters, and if you try to combine them, then you dilute them, which will not help you. No-one doubts your sincere commitment to what you feel you genuinely believe, but you are not helping your cause by the current way that you deal with it. Take this as friendly comment OK?



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Message 1291230 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 16:03:37 UTC - in response to Message 1291195.

The Lord God is my Shepherd, and he leads me through the the valley of darkness. He leads me into the light, the beautiful light in the beautiful garden that awaits humanity. I asked the Lord my God for help, and he answered. He was good enough to let me peek inside the gates of heaven, where i looked and saw the beautiful wonders that God had prepared for all humanity, but only those who choose God's way and God's law will see the garden. God let me see the wonders in Heaven, and it was beautiful, and the garden was full of love, love was everywhere in the garden. It was full of God's love for humanity. For a short time, i have stepped back from the gates of Heaven so that i can tell other people about what i saw in God's garden, the garden of Eden. Some will believe, and some will never see it.

Johnney, a piece of advice as a friend, if you want belief and credence on these boards then you really must stop posting stuff like the above. It is like pulpit preaching on a Sunday in church, and will not cut ice here, or enhance your credibility. It may be your personal belief, but unless you are a lay preacher whose job it is to covert the unbelievers, I would drop it and keep it to yourself.

You say you have found this old book, that you insist is NOT the bible, and that you are in the process of deciphering it. You say that you are doing this upon a scientific basis, and that you have scientific proof about certain things that you say no-one else has found. You go on to say that you don't want to go public in case someone else pinches your ideas and makes money whilst you don't.

If you were really into educating mankind, financial reward would be secondary to the satisfaction of enlightening and teaching people maybe the error of their ways. You keep saying that one day you will publish your findings, but according to you that could be in 5 or 10 or 15 years time, so no-one is encouraged to take you seriously. And why should they? All they have is your word for it, and why should they believe you above anyone else?

My advice is to register with a solicitor the research and findings that you so far have, so that your claim is on record. Then I think you need to tell us what this book is, and let us judge it for ourselves. How likely is it by your posts that anyone else would come to the same conclusions that you have? How likely is it that someone will say, oh look I can make some cash on the back of his work? If this book is freely available as you have claimed, then anyone in the world had the freedom to do what you claim you have done.

You are already aware that I share your belief about ET vists about 14,000-11,000 BC, but that is a different matter to the original quote above and this book. They are all three separate matters, and if you try to combine them, then you dilute them, which will not help you. No-one doubts your sincere commitment to what you feel you genuinely believe, but you are not helping your cause by the current way that you deal with it. Take this as friendly comment OK?

Chris,
I can't keep it to myself, i'm not able. I have to talk about whats after happening to me. I have to say it to someone.

If i actually opened up completely, and told everyone here the full complete story of what happened to me in the last 2 years, then you really would think i was a lunatic. The truth is totally and utterly shocking. The truth is so shocking that i struggle to believe it myself. So Chris i don't tell ye the truth here on these boards. I give ye a poetic coded version of the truth.

Never in my wildest dreams would i have ever thought that any of the stuff in the Bible was real. I'm a hard core skeptic. The Bible is like an Arthur C. Clarke science fiction novel. The stuff in the Bible is wild nonsense and the vast majority of the Bible is coded in poetry that even the priests can't decipher.

But i have it, all of it. Or at least i have a large chunk of the story. The Bible finishes its last book by saying that it will end. The Bible says that the work of the church will end. And that is what we see today. Nobody believes the Bible any more. Nobody trusts the bible any more. Even the Vatican have started making press statements in the last few years that completely contradict what the Bible says. Its like the Bible, and all its stories just can't be trusted anymore. But the funny thing is, the bible itself predicts this just before the end of Humanity.

Its science! Science is the Beast in book of revelation. Its science that is ending religion. Science is stripping religion nakid in the streets and science is leaving religion dead. But only just at the very end, when we have all the rules of science, that it will then become apparent that its was scientists that actually wrote the bible. Human scientists who discovered genetic engineering and modified their own genes to make them immortal. Its utterly shocking. And i have the final chapter of the book. I have the key that ends the whole thing. And if i don't publish it, someone else will discover what i discovered and they will publish it. So its not that i'm special, cos i'm not. Its just that i discovered the "old book" first.

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Message 1291235 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 16:14:13 UTC - in response to Message 1291011.

My knowledge of genetics may not be great. My ability to research falsehoods seems to be quite good. In that other thread you were provided with academic papers to counter you claims, your argument then was the same as it is now, state that others do not have expertise matching yours, while providing no evidence.

If you want to talk about science, produce the data in support of your claims. So far I've seen very little, if any.

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I'm trying to be nice to you, do you get it? Which part do you not understand? I don't want to discuss genetics with you.

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Then don't be nice, dazzle me with your brilliance.

you're more likely to get dazzled by his brylcream.
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Message 1291243 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 16:19:50 UTC

So are we now to assume that this book is NOT the bible, but the book of Revelations WITHIN the bible?

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Message 1291277 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 16:59:03 UTC

It sounds like he is talking about time travel. Humans who discoverd genetics and made themselves imortal. And in past posts he said that 5 or 6,000 years ago mankind was gentically enginered.
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Message 1291286 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 17:12:00 UTC - in response to Message 1291277.

It sounds like he is talking about time travel. Humans who discoverd genetics and made themselves imortal. And in past posts he said that 5 or 6,000 years ago mankind was gentically enginered.


Well, 6000 years later, that experiment seems to have failed.
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Message 1291308 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 17:41:24 UTC - in response to Message 1291286.

unless we were supposed to have the lifespans of Bacteria
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Message 1291335 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 18:48:11 UTC - in response to Message 1291230.

The Lord God is my Shepherd, and he leads me through the the valley of darkness. He leads me into the light, the beautiful light in the beautiful garden that awaits humanity. I asked the Lord my God for help, and he answered. He was good enough to let me peek inside the gates of heaven, where i looked and saw the beautiful wonders that God had prepared for all humanity, but only those who choose God's way and God's law will see the garden. God let me see the wonders in Heaven, and it was beautiful, and the garden was full of love, love was everywhere in the garden. It was full of God's love for humanity. For a short time, i have stepped back from the gates of Heaven so that i can tell other people about what i saw in God's garden, the garden of Eden. Some will believe, and some will never see it.

Johnney, a piece of advice as a friend, if you want belief and credence on these boards then you really must stop posting stuff like the above. It is like pulpit preaching on a Sunday in church, and will not cut ice here, or enhance your credibility. It may be your personal belief, but unless you are a lay preacher whose job it is to covert the unbelievers, I would drop it and keep it to yourself.

You say you have found this old book, that you insist is NOT the bible, and that you are in the process of deciphering it. You say that you are doing this upon a scientific basis, and that you have scientific proof about certain things that you say no-one else has found. You go on to say that you don't want to go public in case someone else pinches your ideas and makes money whilst you don't.

If you were really into educating mankind, financial reward would be secondary to the satisfaction of enlightening and teaching people maybe the error of their ways. You keep saying that one day you will publish your findings, but according to you that could be in 5 or 10 or 15 years time, so no-one is encouraged to take you seriously. And why should they? All they have is your word for it, and why should they believe you above anyone else?

My advice is to register with a solicitor the research and findings that you so far have, so that your claim is on record. Then I think you need to tell us what this book is, and let us judge it for ourselves. How likely is it by your posts that anyone else would come to the same conclusions that you have? How likely is it that someone will say, oh look I can make some cash on the back of his work? If this book is freely available as you have claimed, then anyone in the world had the freedom to do what you claim you have done.

You are already aware that I share your belief about ET vists about 14,000-11,000 BC, but that is a different matter to the original quote above and this book. They are all three separate matters, and if you try to combine them, then you dilute them, which will not help you. No-one doubts your sincere commitment to what you feel you genuinely believe, but you are not helping your cause by the current way that you deal with it. Take this as friendly comment OK?

Chris,
I can't keep it to myself, i'm not able. I have to talk about whats after happening to me. I have to say it to someone.

If i actually opened up completely, and told everyone here the full complete story of what happened to me in the last 2 years, then you really would think i was a lunatic. The truth is totally and utterly shocking. The truth is so shocking that i struggle to believe it myself. So Chris i don't tell ye the truth here on these boards. I give ye a poetic coded version of the truth.

Never in my wildest dreams would i have ever thought that any of the stuff in the Bible was real. I'm a hard core skeptic. The Bible is like an Arthur C. Clarke science fiction novel. The stuff in the Bible is wild nonsense and the vast majority of the Bible is coded in poetry that even the priests can't decipher.

But i have it, all of it. Or at least i have a large chunk of the story. The Bible finishes its last book by saying that it will end. The Bible says that the work of the church will end. And that is what we see today. Nobody believes the Bible any more. Nobody trusts the bible any more. Even the Vatican have started making press statements in the last few years that completely contradict what the Bible says. Its like the Bible, and all its stories just can't be trusted anymore. But the funny thing is, the bible itself predicts this just before the end of Humanity.

Its science! Science is the Beast in book of revelation. Its science that is ending religion. Science is stripping religion nakid in the streets and science is leaving religion dead. But only just at the very end, when we have all the rules of science, that it will then become apparent that its was scientists that actually wrote the bible. Human scientists who discovered genetic engineering and modified their own genes to make them immortal. Its utterly shocking. And i have the final chapter of the book. I have the key that ends the whole thing. And if i don't publish it, someone else will discover what i discovered and they will publish it. So its not that i'm special, cos i'm not. Its just that i discovered the "old book" first.

John.


I suggest you read Umberto Eco's imho excellent Foucault's Pendulum.
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