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Message 1284380 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 3:52:46 UTC - in response to Message 1284210.


So, what is it that you really want? Argument till I lose my temper and get kicked off again? Kicked off for the something that everyone else does yet they still remain? Are you all keeping score or something? What is it that you really want. Don't B.S. me Robert, you can't B.S. me. I see right through all of you. Transparent as cheap toilet paper most of you are.


So just answer the question without insults and cuss words.
It's a simple question.

If no one can give a reasonable answer, there's no need to get dramatic by blowing a hissy-fit.
Science has no answer for what went on before expansion. The standard theory is that time began with the big bang and there was nothing before. I'm not taking that fact as a personal insult. I can live with the admission that not all is known at this time.

I just want to know what religion has for an answer.
Did God exist before creation? If so, what the hell was he doing with his time?

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Message 1284386 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 4:31:11 UTC - in response to Message 1284380.


So, what is it that you really want? Argument till I lose my temper and get kicked off again? Kicked off for the something that everyone else does yet they still remain? Are you all keeping score or something? What is it that you really want. Don't B.S. me Robert, you can't B.S. me. I see right through all of you. Transparent as cheap toilet paper most of you are.


So just answer the question without insults and cuss words.
It's a simple question.

If no one can give a reasonable answer, there's no need to get dramatic by blowing a hissy-fit.
Science has no answer for what went on before expansion. The standard theory is that time began with the big bang and there was nothing before. I'm not taking that fact as a personal insult. I can live with the admission that not all is known at this time.

I just want to know what religion has for an answer.
Did God exist before creation? If so, what the hell was he doing with his time?


I answered your question, Robert. The Bible quotes I posted that you short quoted me on.

I'll do you one even better and answer the tag that you have below...

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist."
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James, chapter 2

14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day,

16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well,” but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it?

17 So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 Indeed someone might say, “You have faith and I have works.” Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.

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Message 1284389 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 4:49:36 UTC - in response to Message 1284386.


I answered your question, Robert. The Bible quotes I posted that you short quoted me on.



OK, if that's good enough an answer for you, so be it.
I just cannot fathom a sentient being existing as a singularity (not the black hole type) for the eternity before creation.

Alone forever in the blackness of nothingness, could even a god remain sane?



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Message 1284390 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 4:52:16 UTC - in response to Message 1284210.
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.....You cannot even tell us how we was created. You cannot prove that all of this "creation" was by chance. You cannot tell me with proof that there is no God. You cannot prove anything that you claim yet you want me to believe that you are rational and sincere in your questions....

And that is the problem with these discussions. Neither side can provide "scientific grade" proof to prove themselves right or the other wrong. Therefore the discussion just keeps going round in circles.

Lack of proof "for" is not proof "against" and visa versa. And "proof" from only one biased source is not valid.

There is as much evidence to prove the existence of Krishna as there is Yahweh or the random coalescing of chemicals to form proteins.

This is a matter of faith not facts. Lets just live and let live without getting our undies twisted.

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Message 1284396 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 5:45:42 UTC

Before Creation, GOD did a lot of Design Work. Designing takes a lot of thought. Lots of Rough Drafts. All in The Virtual Mind and on Virtual Paper.

Once GOD produced a Design which would Create A Universe, HE got to Work. Prototypes First. Then as GOD produced A More Stable Model of Universe, HE was ready for The Big Bang. The Real Thing Hubble is seeing today.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!

Shocka Locka BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

GOD using Perseverance, Intelligence and Creativity had his Universe.

We Like what we see when looking up into the Night Sky. This Earth is pretty Dang Good Stuff.

GOD did a Good Job. Good Work.

GOD Created An Intelligent Design.

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Message 1284474 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 14:55:06 UTC - in response to Message 1284396.

Before Creation, GOD did a lot of Design Work. Designing takes a lot of thought. Lots of Rough Drafts. All in The Virtual Mind and on Virtual Paper.

Once GOD produced a Design which would Create A Universe, HE got to Work. Prototypes First. Then as GOD produced A More Stable Model of Universe, HE was ready for The Big Bang. The Real Thing Hubble is seeing today.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!

Shocka Locka BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

GOD using Perseverance, Intelligence and Creativity had his Universe.

We Like what we see when looking up into the Night Sky. This Earth is pretty Dang Good Stuff.

GOD did a Good Job. Good Work.

GOD Created An Intelligent Design.

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Yes, yes He did. You do indeed get it for the most part. (smile)

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Message 1284499 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 16:20:01 UTC - in response to Message 1284396.

Before Creation, GOD did a lot of Design Work. Designing takes a lot of thought. Lots of Rough Drafts. All in The Virtual Mind and on Virtual Paper.

Once GOD produced a Design which would Create A Universe, HE got to Work. Prototypes First. Then as GOD produced A More Stable Model of Universe, HE was ready for The Big Bang. The Real Thing Hubble is seeing today.



So there's at least two of you that believe God is not perfect and infallible.
He had to build rough drafts and make numerous revisions.

That doesn't fit with the God they told me about in Sunday School, but knowing that God isn't perfect somehow makes him seem more human.

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Message 1284598 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 21:02:25 UTC - in response to Message 1284499.
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So there's at least two of you that believe God is not perfect and infallible.
He had to build rough drafts and make numerous revisions.

That doesn't fit with the God they told me about in Sunday School, but knowing that God isn't perfect somehow makes him seem more human.

If you ask humans about God actions, thoughts or whatever, you will always get antropomorphic biased answers, Those answers might be right (or not), but definatelly biased...

Edit: even the question is biased, you are assuming that for God there is such thing of "before" and "after" as if God were experiencing time in the same way as we do...
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Message 1284614 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 21:38:55 UTC - in response to Message 1284599.

LOL, Oh Great you are with Fourth who was Dull.
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Message 1284650 - Posted: 17 Sep 2012, 0:04:45 UTC

What if God IS the dice--and--order, at the same time. What looks like chaos is order and what looks like order is chaos. Apparently it takes both.

Does it make a difference?

We can't even define what time IS, we mark it, that's all. So, indeed, what IS a day for God? Could be 7 divided by 13.7 billion years.

I'm going to have to quote msattler ..."LOL, I should think the accomplishment would speak for itself."

Here, let me twist your minds a little more---The God Particle would be a lot like pixels on your TV set. We live inside of a 3D TV. And in effect we own nothing but our mass-less souls.

Point is, it makes no sense to deny what you see with your own eyes. Design. And there is so much of it that it cannot be chance. And since it cannot be chance, there must be a DESIGNER. It also makes no sense to deny any possibly up to and including the one have just given you. It is NOT science when you come to the table with preconceived notions. Bottom line...

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Message 1284655 - Posted: 17 Sep 2012, 0:28:09 UTC - in response to Message 1284650.
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What if God IS the dice--and--order, at the same time. What looks like chaos is order and what looks like order is chaos. Apparently it takes both.

Does it make a difference?

We can't even define what time IS, we mark it, that's all. So, indeed, what IS a day for God? Could be 7 divided by 13.7 billion years.

I'm going to have to quote msattler ..."LOL, I should think the accomplishment would speak for itself."

Here, let me twist your minds a little more---The God Particle would be a lot like pixels on your TV set. We live inside of a 3D TV. And in effect we own nothing but our mass-less souls.

Point is, it makes no sense to deny what you see with your own eyes. Design. And there is so much of it that it cannot be chance. And since it cannot be chance, there must be a DESIGNER. It also makes no sense to deny any possibly up to and including the one have just given you. It is NOT science when you come to the table with preconceived notions. Bottom line...


ID, your hypotheses is just that, no evidence to turn it into a theory and as a counter point random events are observed commonly which elevates the random thing to theory.
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Message 1284657 - Posted: 17 Sep 2012, 0:38:41 UTC
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Who is God??

Answer - Straight from the mouth of Jesus Christ, God's Son;
"Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father"

Read it yourself;
John 14:9; http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A9&version=NIV

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Message 1284663 - Posted: 17 Sep 2012, 1:13:12 UTC - in response to Message 1284657.

Who is God??

Answer - Straight from the mouth of Jesus Christ, God's Son;
"Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father"

Read it yourself;
John 14:9; http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A9&version=NIV

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Johnny, quoting a book only proves a degree of literacy not a fact.
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Message 1284667 - Posted: 17 Sep 2012, 1:34:03 UTC - in response to Message 1284666.
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Guy, your beliefs are what they are, I think a major problem comes up when that sort of thing is being taught in science classes rather than philosophy classes or being used as a basis to establish laws which I am supposed to obey.
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