What did God do before creation?

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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34147 Credit: 344,011,534 RAC: 542,135	Message 1284331 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 1:20:14 UTC - in response to Message 1284320.
	So, just what did God do before creating the universe? Probably not a lot, he doesn't exist. Next... Not in your world, I guess. He exists in mine. You are entitled. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
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Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2044 Credit: 3,280,475 RAC: 5,210	Message 1284380 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 3:52:46 UTC - in response to Message 1284210.
	So, what is it that you really want? Argument till I lose my temper and get kicked off again? Kicked off for the something that everyone else does yet they still remain? Are you all keeping score or something? What is it that you really want. Don't B.S. me Robert, you can't B.S. me. I see right through all of you. Transparent as cheap toilet paper most of you are. So just answer the question without insults and cuss words. It's a simple question. If no one can give a reasonable answer, there's no need to get dramatic by blowing a hissy-fit. Science has no answer for what went on before expansion. The standard theory is that time began with the big bang and there was nothing before. I'm not taking that fact as a personal insult. I can live with the admission that not all is known at this time. I just want to know what religion has for an answer. Did God exist before creation? If so, what the hell was he doing with his time? ____________ If any question why we died, tell them, because our fathers lied. Kipling, Rudyard
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Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 2063 Credit: 28,567 RAC: 3	Message 1284386 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 4:31:11 UTC - in response to Message 1284380.
	So, what is it that you really want? Argument till I lose my temper and get kicked off again? Kicked off for the something that everyone else does yet they still remain? Are you all keeping score or something? What is it that you really want. Don't B.S. me Robert, you can't B.S. me. I see right through all of you. Transparent as cheap toilet paper most of you are. So just answer the question without insults and cuss words. It's a simple question. If no one can give a reasonable answer, there's no need to get dramatic by blowing a hissy-fit. Science has no answer for what went on before expansion. The standard theory is that time began with the big bang and there was nothing before. I'm not taking that fact as a personal insult. I can live with the admission that not all is known at this time. I just want to know what religion has for an answer. Did God exist before creation? If so, what the hell was he doing with his time? I answered your question, Robert. The Bible quotes I posted that you short quoted me on. I'll do you one even better and answer the tag that you have below... "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist." Dom Hélder Pessoa Câmara James, chapter 2 14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well,” but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it? 17 So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 Indeed someone might say, “You have faith and I have works.” Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.
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Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2044 Credit: 3,280,475 RAC: 5,210	Message 1284389 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 4:49:36 UTC - in response to Message 1284386.
	I answered your question, Robert. The Bible quotes I posted that you short quoted me on. OK, if that's good enough an answer for you, so be it. I just cannot fathom a sentient being existing as a singularity (not the black hole type) for the eternity before creation. Alone forever in the blackness of nothingness, could even a god remain sane? ____________ If any question why we died, tell them, because our fathers lied. Kipling, Rudyard
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Terror Australis Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1417 Credit: 181,737,754 RAC: 158,360	Message 1284390 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 4:52:16 UTC - in response to Message 1284210. Last modified: 16 Sep 2012, 4:55:59 UTC
	.....You cannot even tell us how we was created. You cannot prove that all of this "creation" was by chance. You cannot tell me with proof that there is no God. You cannot prove anything that you claim yet you want me to believe that you are rational and sincere in your questions.... And that is the problem with these discussions. Neither side can provide "scientific grade" proof to prove themselves right or the other wrong. Therefore the discussion just keeps going round in circles. Lack of proof "for" is not proof "against" and visa versa. And "proof" from only one biased source is not valid. There is as much evidence to prove the existence of Krishna as there is Yahweh or the random coalescing of chemicals to form proteins. This is a matter of faith not facts. Lets just live and let live without getting our undies twisted. T.A.
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Bathybius & Eozoon Nummulosphere Bound Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 1297 Credit: 2,386,218 RAC: 3,846	Message 1284396 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 5:45:42 UTC
	Before Creation, GOD did a lot of Design Work. Designing takes a lot of thought. Lots of Rough Drafts. All in The Virtual Mind and on Virtual Paper. Once GOD produced a Design which would Create A Universe, HE got to Work. Prototypes First. Then as GOD produced A More Stable Model of Universe, HE was ready for The Big Bang. The Real Thing Hubble is seeing today. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!! Shocka Locka BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM GOD using Perseverance, Intelligence and Creativity had his Universe. We Like what we see when looking up into the Night Sky. This Earth is pretty Dang Good Stuff. GOD did a Good Job. Good Work. GOD Created An Intelligent Design. EarthGoesBoooooooooooooooooooomWithBigBangFromSunFourthAngel ____________
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Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 2063 Credit: 28,567 RAC: 3	Message 1284474 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 14:55:06 UTC - in response to Message 1284396.
	Before Creation, GOD did a lot of Design Work. Designing takes a lot of thought. Lots of Rough Drafts. All in The Virtual Mind and on Virtual Paper. Once GOD produced a Design which would Create A Universe, HE got to Work. Prototypes First. Then as GOD produced A More Stable Model of Universe, HE was ready for The Big Bang. The Real Thing Hubble is seeing today. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!! Shocka Locka BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM GOD using Perseverance, Intelligence and Creativity had his Universe. We Like what we see when looking up into the Night Sky. This Earth is pretty Dang Good Stuff. GOD did a Good Job. Good Work. GOD Created An Intelligent Design. EarthGoesBoooooooooooooooooooomWithBigBangFromSunFourthAngel Yes, yes He did. You do indeed get it for the most part. (smile)
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Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2044 Credit: 3,280,475 RAC: 5,210	Message 1284499 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 16:20:01 UTC - in response to Message 1284396.
	Before Creation, GOD did a lot of Design Work. Designing takes a lot of thought. Lots of Rough Drafts. All in The Virtual Mind and on Virtual Paper. Once GOD produced a Design which would Create A Universe, HE got to Work. Prototypes First. Then as GOD produced A More Stable Model of Universe, HE was ready for The Big Bang. The Real Thing Hubble is seeing today. So there's at least two of you that believe God is not perfect and infallible. He had to build rough drafts and make numerous revisions. That doesn't fit with the God they told me about in Sunday School, but knowing that God isn't perfect somehow makes him seem more human. ____________ If any question why we died, tell them, because our fathers lied. Kipling, Rudyard
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Horacio Send message Joined: 14 Jan 00 Posts: 523 Credit: 30,353,449 RAC: 130,540	Message 1284598 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 21:02:25 UTC - in response to Message 1284499. Last modified: 16 Sep 2012, 21:07:32 UTC
	So there's at least two of you that believe God is not perfect and infallible. He had to build rough drafts and make numerous revisions. That doesn't fit with the God they told me about in Sunday School, but knowing that God isn't perfect somehow makes him seem more human. If you ask humans about God actions, thoughts or whatever, you will always get antropomorphic biased answers, Those answers might be right (or not), but definatelly biased... Edit: even the question is biased, you are assuming that for God there is such thing of "before" and "after" as if God were experiencing time in the same way as we do... ____________
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Guy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1183 Credit: 3,472,450 RAC: 426	Message 1284599 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 21:07:14 UTC - in response to Message 1284396.
	Before Creation, GOD did a lot of Design Work. Designing takes a lot of thought. Lots of Rough Drafts. All in The Virtual Mind and on Virtual Paper. Once GOD produced a Design which would Create A Universe, HE got to Work. Prototypes First. Then as GOD produced A More Stable Model of Universe, HE was ready for The Big Bang. The Real Thing Hubble is seeing today. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!! Shocka Locka BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM GOD using Perseverance, Intelligence and Creativity had his Universe. We Like what we see when looking up into the Night Sky. This Earth is pretty Dang Good Stuff. GOD did a Good Job. Good Work. GOD Created An Intelligent Design. EarthGoesBoooooooooooooooooooomWithBigBangFromSunFourthAngel Couldn't have said it any better myself! And don't forget, he did it with love! Guy the Great!
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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 1064 Credit: 2,006,954 RAC: 2,665	Message 1284614 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 21:38:55 UTC - in response to Message 1284599.
	LOL, Oh Great you are with Fourth who was Dull. ____________
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Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 2063 Credit: 28,567 RAC: 3	Message 1284650 - Posted: 17 Sep 2012, 0:04:45 UTC
	What if God IS the dice--and--order, at the same time. What looks like chaos is order and what looks like order is chaos. Apparently it takes both. Does it make a difference? We can't even define what time IS, we mark it, that's all. So, indeed, what IS a day for God? Could be 7 divided by 13.7 billion years. I'm going to have to quote msattler ..."LOL, I should think the accomplishment would speak for itself." Here, let me twist your minds a little more---The God Particle would be a lot like pixels on your TV set. We live inside of a 3D TV. And in effect we own nothing but our mass-less souls. Point is, it makes no sense to deny what you see with your own eyes. Design. And there is so much of it that it cannot be chance. And since it cannot be chance, there must be a DESIGNER. It also makes no sense to deny any possibly up to and including the one have just given you. It is NOT science when you come to the table with preconceived notions. Bottom line...
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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 1064 Credit: 2,006,954 RAC: 2,665	Message 1284655 - Posted: 17 Sep 2012, 0:28:09 UTC - in response to Message 1284650. Last modified: 17 Sep 2012, 1:09:47 UTC
	What if God IS the dice--and--order, at the same time. What looks like chaos is order and what looks like order is chaos. Apparently it takes both. Does it make a difference? We can't even define what time IS, we mark it, that's all. So, indeed, what IS a day for God? Could be 7 divided by 13.7 billion years. I'm going to have to quote msattler ..."LOL, I should think the accomplishment would speak for itself." Here, let me twist your minds a little more---The God Particle would be a lot like pixels on your TV set. We live inside of a 3D TV. And in effect we own nothing but our mass-less souls. Point is, it makes no sense to deny what you see with your own eyes. Design. And there is so much of it that it cannot be chance. And since it cannot be chance, there must be a DESIGNER. It also makes no sense to deny any possibly up to and including the one have just given you. It is NOT science when you come to the table with preconceived notions. Bottom line... ID, your hypotheses is just that, no evidence to turn it into a theory and as a counter point random events are observed commonly which elevates the random thing to theory. ____________
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Johnney Guinness Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 11 Sep 06 Posts: 2944 Credit: 2,305,966 RAC: 330	Message 1284657 - Posted: 17 Sep 2012, 0:38:41 UTC Last modified: 17 Sep 2012, 0:39:40 UTC
	Who is God?? Answer - Straight from the mouth of Jesus Christ, God's Son; "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father" Read it yourself; John 14:9; http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A9&version=NIV John. ____________
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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 1064 Credit: 2,006,954 RAC: 2,665	Message 1284663 - Posted: 17 Sep 2012, 1:13:12 UTC - in response to Message 1284657.
	Who is God?? Answer - Straight from the mouth of Jesus Christ, God's Son; "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father" Read it yourself; John 14:9; http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A9&version=NIV John. Johnny, quoting a book only proves a degree of literacy not a fact. ____________
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Guy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1183 Credit: 3,472,450 RAC: 426	Message 1284666 - Posted: 17 Sep 2012, 1:20:36 UTC
	I said to myself I wasn't going to get involved in this thread, but for some reason, I feel compelled to say a few words based on the last few posts. To ask the question, "What did God do before creation?" is the epitome of pretentiousness. We are incapable of answering that question. So why ask it? And shouldn't it be that easy to believe in something greater than man? Given the distribution of intelligence, shouldn't it be that easy to ask the question, "Is this all there is?" and for at least some of us to come to the logical conclusion that, no, this CAN'T be all there is? Shouldn't it be easy for at least some of us to come to the conclusion that it just doesn't make sense to believe this IS all there IS? Given the distribution of intelligence, shouldn't it be that easy for most of us to come to the conclusion that what we see around us is not randomness? Shouldn't it be that easy for at least some of us to see order in everything around us? If it's that easy for some of you to believe everything since... whenever is the product of randomness, then shouldn't it be that easy for some of you to live life and allow others who believe in something greater to believe and to coexist without being persecuted? The U.S.'s 1st amendment guarantees the right to worship or not worship. Shouldn't it be that easy to allow for both? Am I being forced to not worship? Are any of you being forced to worship? So, my brothers and sisters, what's the problem? Sincerely, Guy the Great!
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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 1064 Credit: 2,006,954 RAC: 2,665	Message 1284667 - Posted: 17 Sep 2012, 1:34:03 UTC - in response to Message 1284666. Last modified: 17 Sep 2012, 1:37:06 UTC
	Guy, your beliefs are what they are, I think a major problem comes up when that sort of thing is being taught in science classes rather than philosophy classes or being used as a basis to establish laws which I am supposed to obey. ____________
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