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Message 1279833 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 23:53:32 UTC - in response to Message 1279820.
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And you're just an uneducated Mongol that doesn't even know that his country's predominant religion is Buddhism. Ponder Buddhism being alive and well in your country, as I can think of no greater torment for you :D



One freedom advantage is we never experienced witch hunting horror the religious terror in our history unlike western countries so we very openly criticize any religion in our jurisdiction meaning buddhism, christianity and muslim. Unlike every westerner here extremely afraid on criticizing their dominant religion. And it is true that for religious reason in the west you could be shot very easy! Which proves your religious terrorism of Witch Hunting is still alive and terrorizing you.

For example in my family 60-70% of people are buddhists 2 people are christian and around 20% are atheists. I know many families that are dominantly atheist. We are this open type of culture unlike western religious terror troubled culture.
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Message 1279836 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 0:20:14 UTC - in response to Message 1279833.
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Orgil: After typing a long rebuttal I realized how way off topic we have gone. Create a new thread and we can continue this ramble of nonsense if you want, but I really think how little we know of each others' culture limits our understanding of how things actually are, which was certainly made clear to me by your last post. So a continuation will most likely not amount to much for either side.

As to this thread topic started by Robert Waite, I really can't say one way or another. I wasn't there ;)
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Message 1279839 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 0:25:12 UTC - in response to Message 1279484.

So, just what did God do before creating the universe?

Why only one creation? Is God somehow bound that he can only do one creation event? What limits him?


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Message 1279843 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 0:51:17 UTC - in response to Message 1279836.

Orgil: After typing a long rebuttal I realized how way off topic we have gone. Create a new thread and we can continue this ramble of nonsense if you want, but I really think how little we know of each others' culture limits our understanding of how things actually are, which was certainly made clear to me by your last post. So a continuation will most likely not amount to much for either side.

As to this thread topic started by Robert Waite, I really can't say one way or another. I wasn't there ;)



It is always better to fight with dark side of force namely religion in the scientific forum with any off topic and off grammar fashion!! ;)
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Message 1279846 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 1:15:26 UTC - in response to Message 1279843.

It is always better to fight with dark side of force namely religion in the scientific forum with any off topic and off grammar fashion!! ;)


I agree! :D

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Message 1279877 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 4:33:30 UTC - in response to Message 1279839.

So, just what did God do before creating the universe?

Why only one creation? Is God somehow bound that he can only do one creation event? What limits him?


Gary,
There are many planets with people living on them, just like us.

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Message 1279894 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 5:55:56 UTC - in response to Message 1279877.

So, just what did God do before creating the universe?

Why only one creation? Is God somehow bound that he can only do one creation event? What limits him?


Gary,
There are many planets with people living on them, just like us.

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Kolob? ;)

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Message 1279911 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 7:51:42 UTC - in response to Message 1279894.
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So, just what did God do before creating the universe?

Why only one creation? Is God somehow bound that he can only do one creation event? What limits him?


Gary,
There are many planets with people living on them, just like us.

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Kolob? ;)

Sarge,
Interesting, i never heard of it. You must be a Mormon. I had to Google to find the meaning of the word;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob

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Message 1279912 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 7:53:54 UTC

IIRC Genesis doesn't record when the angels and other members of the "Heavenly Host" were created.

Therefore it's possible to speculate they were all involved in the design, architecture, planning meetings, computer programming and simulations, developing the Higgs boson to hold it all together etc. and getting ready for the launch of the project.

Everyone involved in science, engineering and construction knows that The Boss gets all the credit while the lackeys do all the work.

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Message 1279926 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 9:27:29 UTC

You know, I wonder whether of not this thread should be re-titled "What did YOUR god do before their LAST creation? Why do I think that?

As has been said before, there is no proof there is a god, any god, or the god. Also there is no proof that there isn't. So until evidence emerges to confirm it one way or the other, religion and gods is simply down to an individuals personal faith and belief.

I think Johnney is right in that the universe is infinite and has always been here, but I think that there was a local big bang in our small part of it a long time ago, when probably a super massive black hole couldn't hold any more matter and blew up scattering stars all over the place. The whole universe itself is in a semi steady state, with various local occurrences causing a ripple every now and then.

The Creation mentioned in the bible is not the big bang, or what ever brought about what we observe today, but the history of the creation of the human race, and the jury are still out on whether ET was involved. The addition of light is an interesting one!

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon
the face of the waters.

That conjures up an image of a dead planet in space.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

We know that the light we have is from the sun, therefore we have to assume at this point the sun was created.

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

We also know that we have day and night because the earth revolves on it's axis once every 24 hours. So we have to assume that at this point the earth was made to rotate.

OK so far so good up to a point, we have light we have night and day, dry land appears, we have trees and plants, then it gets confusing in verses 14 to 16!

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

Ok the idea of using the position of constellations for navigation and knowing if it is Spring or Autumn is a useful one.

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Presumably the greater light is the sun, and the lesser light the moon. But the moon is only lit by the sun anyway, it has no in-built luminance of its own. But hang on, didn't the sun already get created in verse 3? If not then where did the original light come from?

There are parts of the bible that cannot be taken too literally! Let there be light as in the Bible is often taken as meaning to understand or become aware of something, as in a parable or teaching.

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Message 1279955 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 11:38:08 UTC

Chris,
The bible is coded, all of it! All of the books of the bible are full of metaphors and analogies that MUST be interpreted! Its very difficult! Also, over one third of the bible is prophsey about future events.

To understand Genesis, you need this bit;
According to Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8,
"a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day" with God.

So Chris the days mentioned in the book of Genesis are a thousand years!

They got here about 30,000 years ago. But as we know, this planet has been around much longer than that. They DID NOT create this planet!! But they did make planet-wide modifications to the atmosphere. And they were at that for about 2,000 years before they started genetic experiments with living creatures.

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Message 1279972 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 13:18:16 UTC
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The bible is coded, all of it! All of the books of the bible are full of metaphors and analogies that MUST be interpreted! Its very difficult! Also, over one third of the bible is prophsey about future events.



So how does this correspond with the fact that the Bible was changed between 25,000 and 400,000 times by scribes, both on purpose, and by accident, and that 11 of the books are forged, meaning they were written by people who were not who they were supposed to be? Also, the original language was Aramic, but the earliest texts were in ancient Greek, which no longer exist. It seems that there a lot of inconsistancies if one wants to decode ramblings from hundreds of different people over hundreds of years. Add that to the contradictions within the Bible, and it seems to me you don't have something that was ever intended to be decoded.

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Message 1279983 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 14:12:17 UTC

Thats is a point that most people forget Steve. The dead sea scrolls themselves were writen between 408 BCE and 318 CE in Hebrew,Aramaic,Greek and Nabataean.
So there is some translation there. And we have all seen examples of how translations can go wrong. ( Any one read instructions from Japanese to English )

Plus add in the books that never made the cut into the bible for whatever reason the church had.

I think decodeing is just chasing a wild goose. It makes for great books and movies but if there was any chance it was real, Why isnt somebody using BOINC to decode it?
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Message 1280024 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 20:52:46 UTC

I'm simply asking those who believe in the God written of in the Bible if they have any explanation as to his activities during the eternity before the so called creation.


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Message 1280047 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 22:21:13 UTC - in response to Message 1280024.
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I'm simply asking those who believe in the God written of in the Bible if they have any explanation as to his activities during the eternity before the so called creation.


Robert,
Your confusing the scientific concept of the "big bang" with an event that is written about in the bible called "creation".

Robert the event scientists call the "big bang" happened billions of years ago. The "creation" event in the bible has nothing what-so-ever to do with the scientific concept of the "big bang". The creation event in the bible only deals with stuff that happened just before, and during the creation of human beings 6,000 years ago. The biblical creation story has nothing to do with the big bang. The bible says nothing about the big bang. The big bang is a scientific concept invented by modern humans in the last 50 or 60 years.

The bible does discuss 5 "days" before "Adam" was created. These 5 days are each a thousand years long. So thats 5,000 years that God spent doing other stuff here on Earth. The bible says that during those 5,000 years before he created Adam, he was modifying this planet and creating other plants, fish and animals. To repeat again, the bible says NOTHING about what happened before that!

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Message 1280057 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 22:46:27 UTC - in response to Message 1280047.

I'm simply asking those who believe in the God written of in the Bible if they have any explanation as to his activities during the eternity before the so called creation.


Robert,
Your confusing the scientific concept of the "big bang" with an event that is written about in the bible called "creation".

Robert the event scientists call the "big bang" happened billions of years ago. The "creation" event in the bible has nothing what-so-ever to do with the scientific concept of the "big bang". The creation event in the bible only deals with stuff that happened just before, and during the creation of human beings 6,000 years ago. The biblical creation story has nothing to do with the big bang. The bible says nothing about the big bang. The big bang is a scientific concept invented by modern humans in the last 50 or 60 years.

The bible does discuss 5 "days" before "Adam" was created. These 5 days are each a thousand years long. So thats 5,000 years that God spent doing other stuff here on Earth. The bible says that during those 5,000 years before he created Adam, he was modifying this planet and creating other plants, fish and animals. To repeat again, the bible says NOTHING about what happened before that!

John.


John, it's clear you have your own interpretation of the bible, and Robert's question does not appear to be directed at you. There are other's here (one of whom appears to be on a temporary hiatus) that believe the God mentioned in the bible is a real entity that existed prior to the big bang, Robert's question is directed at them.

I don't think this is the thread to discuss your ideas regarding the bible and alien creators of modern humans, perhaps you could start one to outline your hypothesis ...

As I'm not a theist, I do not feel qualified to answer Robert's question.
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Message 1280073 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 23:36:40 UTC

Thank you Bobby.
I am interested in knowing what the omnipotent being was up to before creating the universe. It's a simple question really.

How did the God from the Christian Bible spend his/her/it's eternity in the before time?

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Message 1280077 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 23:43:22 UTC - in response to Message 1280057.

Bobby, LOL, he sure takes a lot of breaks.
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Message 1280120 - Posted: 5 Sep 2012, 2:59:52 UTC - in response to Message 1279911.
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So, just what did God do before creating the universe?

Why only one creation? Is God somehow bound that he can only do one creation event? What limits him?


Gary,
There are many planets with people living on them, just like us.

John.


Kolob? ;)

Sarge,
Interesting, i never heard of it. You must be a Mormon. I had to Google to find the meaning of the word;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob

John.


Knowledge, partial or full, of something does not necessarily imply being part of that thing. I am not, nor ever was, Mormon.
In this case, the knowledge comes from something near and dear to your ancient aliens theory: http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Kobol.

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Message 1280127 - Posted: 5 Sep 2012, 3:30:51 UTC - in response to Message 1280120.

Knowledge, partial or full, of something does not necessarily imply being part of that thing. I am not, nor ever was, Mormon.
In this case, the knowledge comes from something near and dear to your ancient aliens theory: http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Kobol.

Sarge,
Its not my theory.

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