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Message 1281315 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:55:11 UTC - in response to Message 1281306.  

Gary, and if you bother doing the math, as I am sure you do, debt can be a good thing. A problem with debt is that it is often abused.

A little used sparingly can be okay. Routine use is asking for trouble. We have trouble.

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Message 1281316 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:56:42 UTC - in response to Message 1281314.  

he used his office to rape this country for the profit of himself

Then he must be so rich now that he is on the Forbes list of the richest men in the world. If not, better get the wool out of your eyes.


Hehehe, I almost laugh at your retort. Because several of his closest buddies ARE on the list...

(Referring to Reagan)
Yes, a man who raised taxes significantly.

Um, he only raised taxes on the Middle and Lower ends, to make up for the HUGE TAX CUTS he gave to the top....

But he isn't and you said he enriched himself. So I say you knew you were not telling the truth or had any care if you were telling the truth.


Actually I said Bush AND HIS FRIENDS

So you admit it, you did say Bush! You didn't say just his friends.
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Message 1281387 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 10:45:11 UTC - in response to Message 1281260.  
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Thank you Gary. I've tried explaining this before to the left wing athiest/Marxist/socialist/communist wackos in here before but it just goes in one ear and out the other with them.

You'd think those in here, (IN THE SETI FORUM) being interested in science/technology/astronomy would be able to think in something other than in the short-term.

So, what do we, as a nation, do about Obama?

We need to do one of two things.

1) Fillibuster proof Republican senate, Republican majority in the house, and a Republican president

or

2) Fillibuster proof Democrat senate, Democrate majority in the house, and a Democrat president.

We had option #2 for 10 months in the first two years of our current president, and even they couldn't work together.

So I'd like to try option #1 now and see how that would work out.

With Love, sincerely,

Guy the Great!


I should very much like to see option #1 become a reality this fall......and I think it may.
I only wish there were something a bit more inspiring than R&R to push things along. I actually like Ryan better than Romney.
Wish the ticket could be flipped...LOL.
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Message 1281509 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 16:20:19 UTC - in response to Message 1281387.  

Thank you Gary. I've tried explaining this before to the left wing athiest/Marxist/socialist/communist wackos in here before but it just goes in one ear and out the other with them.

You'd think those in here, (IN THE SETI FORUM) being interested in science/technology/astronomy would be able to think in something other than in the short-term.

So, what do we, as a nation, do about Obama?

We need to do one of two things.

1) Fillibuster proof Republican senate, Republican majority in the house, and a Republican president

or

2) Fillibuster proof Democrat senate, Democrate majority in the house, and a Democrat president.

We had option #2 for 10 months in the first two years of our current president, and even they couldn't work together.

So I'd like to try option #1 now and see how that would work out.

With Love, sincerely,

Guy the Great!


I should very much like to see option #1 become a reality this fall......and I think it may.
I only wish there were something a bit more inspiring than R&R to push things along. I actually like Ryan better than Romney.
Wish the ticket could be flipped...LOL.

You should be very wary of anyone who is a follow of Ayn Rand. Apart from the fact she was a psychopath it is her ideas of totally unregulated capitalism are what got the world into this mess in the first place.

Why on Earth would you vote someone in who just wants to bring those policies back? Are people really that forgetful?


  • Regulate the markets.
  • Raise taxes on the rich (don't vote for any of those ridiculous republicans who signed that pledge to never raise taxes. They are totally irresponsible)
  • Find out if your republican candidate worked to block any efforts to fix the mess just so they could make Obama look bad. These people are irresponsible. Vote them out.
  • In fact, any Republican who truly values their party will not vote these tea party idiots in. They will let the Republicans take a drubbing so that they can go back and remember that they have a duty to serve the American people. Not to sabotage all efforts to help them because they don't like the guy doing it.
  • Invest in roads, bridges, infrastructure, alternative energy etc. All the things that business needs to thrive.
  • Create an single payer health system that doesn't put the burden on employers or employees so they can get on with the important things. So that employees can not worry that if they want to change jobs they will lose their healthcare and that employers don't have worry about healthcare costs if they want to hire more people.
  • Capitalism depends on a mobile work force. With universal health care and affordable housing people will be more able to move to search for employment.
  • Stop trying to mandate women's bodies while demanding that government get out of our lives. This is again ridiculous. If the Republican party really is the party of freedom they should trust women to know what is best for themselves.
  • Start believing in science. That includes climate change, evolution and the fact that a tiny ball of cells is not a person, that conception does not happen two weeks before sex and that women can get pregnant from rape. Why would anyone want people who don't understand basic science running the country in this day and age?



Am I really the only person who watched Obama sworn in and felt sorry for the guy because I knew he was inheriting a poisoned chalice? Are people here so unaware of the complete and utter disaster of a mess Bush left us in? How quickly you forget. I do hope not so forgetful that you run and vote the idiots back in who want to take us back to the same polices that got us there. More wars and wider gap between rich and poor. It's the road to a 3rd world economy.


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Message 1281538 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 17:16:00 UTC

submit to a nameless, faceless government run by people who you give total control of your life over

Already there, and been there for a long long long time.

No Matter Who Is Prez. No matter who is in Congress. No matter what party.

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Message 1281550 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 17:32:30 UTC
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Interesting fact from the Federal Reserve. "45 percent of before-tax income goes to the top 10 percent of families ranked by income. 75 percent of wealth goes to the top 10 percent of families ranked by wealth."
Draw your own conclusions concerning shared sacrifice.
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Message 1281558 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 17:41:55 UTC - in response to Message 1281527.  
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Why would someone from the U.K. or Canada give a crap about what's happening here in the U.S.?

If you don't understand that then you know less than I realised.

-Regulate the markets? How, by deciding who gets rich and who remains dependent? We've made lots of progess here, and looks where we are now.

I suggest you do some background research into how the crash happened. It was because of widespread fraud in the banking system because all the oversights had been removed. I thought you would be aware of this.

-Raise taxes on the rich? The top 10% pays 70% already. Done. Look where we are now. Next?

They do not. They actaully end up paying less of a tax than you or I after they have taken advantage of every possible tax loophole they can.

-What about democrats who've worked to block anything a republican has done? (see my two options in a previous post)

I agree on your reaction against the fillibuster. Although it has been used to a ridiculous extent during Obama's term of office.

-Tea party believes in the individual, communists believe in the state.

What has communism got to do with this election? If you actually knew anything about communism you would know that Obama is no where near being a Communist. This argument is smoke and mirrors and has nothing to do with the current US election. Please try to keep your arguments rooted in reality.

-roads, bridges, infrastructure, alternative energy--when it becomes economically viable, it happens already!

I thought we were talking about the future tea party governemnt that wants to cut back on all Governemt? These things are not happening on the on the level they should be. There is a start difference between the quality of the infrastructure in the US compared to other western countries. It does not compare favourably.

(unless you're a statist and want to use this as a means to control the population...)
More hyperbole. Please try to keep this nonsense out of the discussion.

-Single payer health care? Why not single payer food store and a single payer housing market and a single payer [fill in the blank] so that everyboy has every single one of the *rights* fulfilled? Check out the last of the 3 constitutions of the U.S.S.R. Why not just accept that as our new consitution and try that again?

More hyperbole. If the things you suggested worked and made life better then you would be stupid to rule them out. They have not been proven to do so (for various reasons that I am pretty sure you don't understand, things are far more complicated than you seem to think), whereas single payer healthcare has been shown to work and be a cheaper, better and more effective method of healhtcare delivery. Why cut off your nose to spite your face? You are just as much a slave if you are handing your effort, work and labour to big business without a fair exchange, than if you are handing it to a communist state (which isn't an issue in this situation). A rip off is a rip off.

-Capitalism depends on a mobile work force? That's it? No. Besides, you're not a capitalist, so I don't even know why you're stating this. You're a statist. You want to submit to a nameless, faceless government run by people who you give total control of your life over, so quit talking about how to make capitalism work when you don't want capitalism.

You don't know what I am. I am however not ignorant and apparently I know more Capitalist theory than you do, more communist theory and am even aware that there are other systems out there than just these two. Again your answer is merely a bunch of hyperbole and not based on any reality of the situation. You cannot hope to fix the situation or make stupid sweeping statements on how the other person is wrong if you don't even understand what the situation is. Which you clearly don't. Pinning meaningless labels to me then attacking me is not a valid argument. The sort of argument you are making actually has a name. It is called a straw man argument.

It does not surprise me that you do it so well as it is a favourite ploy of the current Obama decriers. There are plenty of valid complaints you might make against Obama, but you have failed to make any of them.

-Stop trying to mandate women's bodies? How about this: I think the default decision for any woman who gets pregnant (married or not) should be abortion. She should have to justify carrying that baby to full term to a board with at least a simple majority of global warming experts who can evaluate her plea to determine if her plan includes restrictions on the carbon foot print of this future person. And the board should have until she's at 3 centimeters before they make their final decision. That's where communism leads. You may not realize it, but that's what you're asking for.

Not how you took my point to here. I thought I was quite clear that I was asking for it to be a woman's individual choice.

Do you even read people's posts here? Or do you just hit reply and start channelling Rush Limbaugh though your keyboard?

-Start believing in science? BELIEVING? HA!
A poor choice of words on my part. Perhaps recognising and understanding the validity of scientific thought and process? Not quite as catchy perhaps. But when scientists try to get brief and catchy the ignorant jump on it.

Nothing but LOVE my seti@home brothers and sisters, sincerely,

Guy the Great!

I do hope you are trying to learn from them.
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Message 1281571 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 17:59:01 UTC

Why would someone from the U.K. or Canada give a crap about what's happening here in the U.S.?

Of course whatever happens in the US will have NO effect on Canada or the Eurozone economy.

Sort of shows just how out of touch you really are.
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Message 1281574 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 18:01:03 UTC - in response to Message 1281527.  

Romney is proud of the "fact" he paid 13% of his "taxable income"(what that means between me and him are VERY different matters.. what even qualifies as his income is highly suspect.). The top 10% pay 70%? O REEEaaallly.. 70% of what, because it is certainly not of what they made.

End the games.
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Message 1281577 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 18:20:47 UTC

You don't know what I am.


A Cutter or Axelrod wannabe. Or name any of OBlabby's Minions.

Definitely not Clint.

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Message 1281602 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 19:09:46 UTC - in response to Message 1281558.  

Es, you appear to be trying to hold a rational discussion with Guy. Rational discussion requires both (or all) parties to be capable of rational thought. Guy has demonstrated a great deal of emotion, and tremendous capacity to sustain disbelief regarding facts and policies. The only substantive purpose you can have in replying to Guy is to point out just how far removed he is from reality -- and that is not for Guy's sake (he's beyond that sort of thing), but rather the rest of the folks out here. I'd note that as irrational as Guy is, out in this message board, he has company in his flights of fancy.
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Message 1281608 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 19:20:02 UTC - in response to Message 1281602.  

Es, you appear to be trying to hold a rational discussion with Guy. Rational discussion requires both (or all) parties to be capable of rational thought. Guy has demonstrated a great deal of emotion, and tremendous capacity to sustain disbelief regarding facts and policies. The only substantive purpose you can have in replying to Guy is to point out just how far removed he is from reality -- and that is not for Guy's sake (he's beyond that sort of thing), but rather the rest of the folks out here. I'd note that as irrational as Guy is, out in this message board, he has company in his flights of fancy.

I am not qualified to make a mental health diagnosis (and even if I were it would not be possible over the internet). Unfortunately Guy is not alone and it is frightening to watch how far US politics has descended into the irrational.
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Message 1281619 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 19:57:22 UTC - in response to Message 1281574.  

Romney is proud of the "fact" he paid 13% of his "taxable income"(what that means between me and him are VERY different matters.. what even qualifies as his income is highly suspect.). The top 10% pay 70%? O REEEaaallly.. 70% of what, because it is certainly not of what they made.

End the games.

Of what? Of the total tax revenue. Another way of saying it is the top 10% pay their share and cover another 6 slackers each.

Is that ratio fair?

Honest question. How many slackers should a high income person carry?

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Message 1281621 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 20:00:05 UTC - in response to Message 1281602.  

Barry, I feel it is important for posters such as Guy to get their views out so the rest of us can see an irrational side of politics. In Guy's case it seems if you are not with him you must be a communist.
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Message 1281626 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 20:04:45 UTC - in response to Message 1281558.  

I suggest you do some background research into how the crash happened. It was because of widespread fraud in the banking system because all the oversights had been removed.

Actually it happened because the oversight responsibility was transferred from professionals to people with a profit motive. I thought by now everyone knew what happened when Bill Clinton signed the revision to the Community Reinvestment Act.

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Message 1281628 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 20:06:18 UTC - in response to Message 1281619.  

Romney is proud of the "fact" he paid 13% of his "taxable income"(what that means between me and him are VERY different matters.. what even qualifies as his income is highly suspect.). The top 10% pay 70%? O REEEaaallly.. 70% of what, because it is certainly not of what they made.

End the games.

Of what? Of the total tax revenue. Another way of saying it is the top 10% pay their share and cover another 6 slackers each.

Is that ratio fair?

Honest question. How many slackers should a high income person carry?

Gary, is the Wall Mart clerk a slacker? Most of them pay little or no income tax.
If you say, yes they are slackers and should get more productive jobs then who will be there to enable your shopping?
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Message 1281632 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 20:17:37 UTC

Religious right wing wacko's.....EVEN ON THE SETI FORUM.

You would think a belief in the possibility of extra-terrestrial life and science couldn't coexist in the same mind as religious anti-science bigotry.

Its very strange.
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Message 1281662 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 21:32:30 UTC

You would think a belief in the possibility of extra-terrestrial life and science couldn't coexist in the same mind as religious anti-science bigotry.


What has NOT BELIEVING in The Communist-Socialist/DEMLib Doctrine of The Peace Prize Winning Messiah of BlahBlahBlah got to do with Science?

Science is a Government Grant Sucking Machine creating More Entropy for The Treasury than many of the Give Aways now existing for The Regular People, and producing many times far less for Dollar Spent.

Real Science is found in the R & D Labs of The Hated Corporations most Communist-Socialist/DEMLibs buy their Products from. And The Labs at Universities and Colleges, who quickly Incorporate and Monetize any Science comming out of them.

I wouldn't want to live on a Profs' Salary. That is why a lot of Profs trade The Markets. hehehe

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