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Message 1281260 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 3:07:42 UTC
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Message 1281278 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 4:48:02 UTC - in response to Message 1281231.
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...The day the democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was actually January 3rd 2007. That was the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the 110th Congress. The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995....


Yes, but it was the things that Bush and his buddies did that led up to the collapse. He wasn't a president, he was his own special interest. He did not lead the country, he used his office to rape this country for the profit of himself and his friends. Nothing more. And in the end the damage they did to our system led directly to the crash and economic downturn.

Everyone talks about the housing collapse. Did everyone forget what gas/oil was before Bush??? Bush and Cheney were two people with the power to control a huge portion of the market, and their vested interests did just that, and practically doubled the cost of fuel in a few short months (and have had RECORD PROFITS ever since, yep record profits during our struggle to keep afloat...) Once this happened everyone and their brother was spending 30-100$ more PER WEEK just to live, that's big money, and it sure as hell contributed to the downward spiral.

Romney is more of the same. A business man who's main goal will be to make himself and his close friends richer.

This is why I'm a Democrat, and this is why "what I'm going to to about Obama" is vote for him again.


(And Gary, the Dems aint perfect either, they are in the pockets of big business also. But as I will always maintain, currently they are the lesser of two evils in my opinion.)


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and for the long term, the fact, IMO is the restructuring of the economy starting with the sainted Ronald Reagan.


That says it all. It was the beginning of the end. The day the earth stood still, and the rich took over. In the beginning it seemed great. But what it did in the end was kill the middle class. There, I said it, hang me out to dry.
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Message 1281286 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:12:59 UTC - in response to Message 1281278.
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he used his office to rape this country for the profit of himself

Then he must be so rich now that he is on the Forbes list of the richest men in the world. If not, better get the wool out of your eyes.
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Message 1281299 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:36:39 UTC - in response to Message 1281243.

Gary, a lot of truth in your talking points. A couple of talking points I also like are 2 unfunded wars for the short term.

True, the idiot tea/norquist not a dime more tax is just crazy. Massive tax increases are needed. Anyone making over $10,000.00 a year needs to be in at least the 50% tax bracket for the next decade to pay for the spending, entitlements and unfunded mandates we have today. That amount is north of $140,000.00 per taxpayer, so it is no joke!
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

and for the long term, the fact, IMO is the restructuring of the economy starting with the sainted Ronald Reagan.

Yes, a man who raised taxes significantly.

The economies tanking started a long time ago with both political parties very culpable but I feel the Republicans took control of the direction. Few of the people had a good memory of the "great depression" and no longer saw the need for adult supervision, so they choose short term gain instead of long term stability. It's a F...ing mess and the question is does the country have the fortitude for shared sacrifice or do we explore new territories?

Unfortunately, there are far too many people who can't do math, er arithmetic, and believe money grows on trees.

It is absolutely vital that we change the constitution to prevent this country from running a debt. Not just a balanced budget, but a zero debt ceiling, accrual accounting style including those unfunded ponzi schemes of Social Security and Medicare. We can't expect that to happen overnight. We can expect a balanced budget overnight. Paying down our debt will take longer than most of the people who will read this will live! We can't start today either as doing so will choke the economy, but perhaps a trigger provision, until unemployment gets under 6% we pay it down at at least 1% a year rate, when it gets under 6% we pay it down at at least 2% a year, and when it gets under 5% pay it down at at least 4% a year. But if we don't do something today, before most of you are dead a $100.00 bill will be worth less than a penny is today.

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Message 1281306 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:48:11 UTC - in response to Message 1281299.

Gary, and if you bother doing the math, as I am sure you do, debt can be a good thing. A problem with debt is that it is often abused.
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Message 1281308 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:49:20 UTC - in response to Message 1281286.
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he used his office to rape this country for the profit of himself

Then he must be so rich now that he is on the Forbes list of the richest men in the world. If not, better get the wool out of your eyes.


Hehehe, I almost laugh at your retort. Because several of his closest buddies ARE on the list...

(Referring to Reagan)
Yes, a man who raised taxes significantly.

Um, he only raised taxes on the Middle and Lower ends, to make up for the HUGE TAX CUTS he gave to the top....
(Which is exactly what Romney will perpetuate, and exactly what we DONT need.)
It seems no one realizes that stripping the masses of small amounts of money hurts everyone. Without the masses having spending money, where's the top 1% supposed to get more $ from???

In continuance, here's one for Dull. Perhaps the plan was all along to let the masses acquire wealth, so there was something big for the taking in the end? It's just too bad the masses lost their care of politics and let the Unions die.
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Message 1281310 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:49:42 UTC - in response to Message 1281278.

Everyone talks about the housing collapse. Did everyone forget what gas/oil was before Bush???

Did you forget what happened on 9/11? I guess you did. You forgot that the speculators in Europe and China drove the price of oil ever higher. Bush tried to get more oil wells in the USA, but no, the oil the USA gets comes from places that are all to happy for a bidding war. And China buys more and more oil to make and ship the goods the USA buys from them. Yes, it is all Bush's fault that China is a growing economy.


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Message 1281313 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:53:09 UTC - in response to Message 1281308.

he used his office to rape this country for the profit of himself

Then he must be so rich now that he is on the Forbes list of the richest men in the world. If not, better get the wool out of your eyes.


Hehehe, I almost laugh at your retort. Because several of his closest buddies ARE on the list...

(Referring to Reagan)
Yes, a man who raised taxes significantly.

Um, he only raised taxes on the Middle and Lower ends, to make up for the HUGE TAX CUTS he gave to the top....

But he isn't and you said he enriched himself. So I say you knew you were not telling the truth or had any care if you were telling the truth.
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Message 1281314 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:54:27 UTC - in response to Message 1281313.
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he used his office to rape this country for the profit of himself

Then he must be so rich now that he is on the Forbes list of the richest men in the world. If not, better get the wool out of your eyes.


Hehehe, I almost laugh at your retort. Because several of his closest buddies ARE on the list...

(Referring to Reagan)
Yes, a man who raised taxes significantly.

Um, he only raised taxes on the Middle and Lower ends, to make up for the HUGE TAX CUTS he gave to the top....

But he isn't and you said he enriched himself. So I say you knew you were not telling the truth or had any care if you were telling the truth.


Actually I said Bush AND HIS FRIENDS

If the point you are making is that he was just a puppet, you are correct. But that doesn't mean he didn't profit off his puppet-ness. (And perhaps Obama has profited too, this is a problem, if not THE problem)
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Message 1281315 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:55:11 UTC - in response to Message 1281306.

Gary, and if you bother doing the math, as I am sure you do, debt can be a good thing. A problem with debt is that it is often abused.

A little used sparingly can be okay. Routine use is asking for trouble. We have trouble.

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Message 1281316 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:56:42 UTC - in response to Message 1281314.

he used his office to rape this country for the profit of himself

Then he must be so rich now that he is on the Forbes list of the richest men in the world. If not, better get the wool out of your eyes.


Hehehe, I almost laugh at your retort. Because several of his closest buddies ARE on the list...

(Referring to Reagan)
Yes, a man who raised taxes significantly.

Um, he only raised taxes on the Middle and Lower ends, to make up for the HUGE TAX CUTS he gave to the top....

But he isn't and you said he enriched himself. So I say you knew you were not telling the truth or had any care if you were telling the truth.


Actually I said Bush AND HIS FRIENDS

So you admit it, you did say Bush! You didn't say just his friends.
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Message 1281509 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 16:20:19 UTC - in response to Message 1281387.

Thank you Gary. I've tried explaining this before to the left wing athiest/Marxist/socialist/communist wackos in here before but it just goes in one ear and out the other with them.

You'd think those in here, (IN THE SETI FORUM) being interested in science/technology/astronomy would be able to think in something other than in the short-term.

So, what do we, as a nation, do about Obama?

We need to do one of two things.

1) Fillibuster proof Republican senate, Republican majority in the house, and a Republican president

or

2) Fillibuster proof Democrat senate, Democrate majority in the house, and a Democrat president.

We had option #2 for 10 months in the first two years of our current president, and even they couldn't work together.

So I'd like to try option #1 now and see how that would work out.

With Love, sincerely,

Guy the Great!


I should very much like to see option #1 become a reality this fall......and I think it may.
I only wish there were something a bit more inspiring than R&R to push things along. I actually like Ryan better than Romney.
Wish the ticket could be flipped...LOL.

You should be very wary of anyone who is a follow of Ayn Rand. Apart from the fact she was a psychopath it is her ideas of totally unregulated capitalism are what got the world into this mess in the first place.

Why on Earth would you vote someone in who just wants to bring those policies back? Are people really that forgetful?


  • Regulate the markets.
  • Raise taxes on the rich (don't vote for any of those ridiculous republicans who signed that pledge to never raise taxes. They are totally irresponsible)
  • Find out if your republican candidate worked to block any efforts to fix the mess just so they could make Obama look bad. These people are irresponsible. Vote them out.
  • In fact, any Republican who truly values their party will not vote these tea party idiots in. They will let the Republicans take a drubbing so that they can go back and remember that they have a duty to serve the American people. Not to sabotage all efforts to help them because they don't like the guy doing it.
  • Invest in roads, bridges, infrastructure, alternative energy etc. All the things that business needs to thrive.
  • Create an single payer health system that doesn't put the burden on employers or employees so they can get on with the important things. So that employees can not worry that if they want to change jobs they will lose their healthcare and that employers don't have worry about healthcare costs if they want to hire more people.
  • Capitalism depends on a mobile work force. With universal health care and affordable housing people will be more able to move to search for employment.
  • Stop trying to mandate women's bodies while demanding that government get out of our lives. This is again ridiculous. If the Republican party really is the party of freedom they should trust women to know what is best for themselves.
  • Start believing in science. That includes climate change, evolution and the fact that a tiny ball of cells is not a person, that conception does not happen two weeks before sex and that women can get pregnant from rape. Why would anyone want people who don't understand basic science running the country in this day and age?



Am I really the only person who watched Obama sworn in and felt sorry for the guy because I knew he was inheriting a poisoned chalice? Are people here so unaware of the complete and utter disaster of a mess Bush left us in? How quickly you forget. I do hope not so forgetful that you run and vote the idiots back in who want to take us back to the same polices that got us there. More wars and wider gap between rich and poor. It's the road to a 3rd world economy.
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Message 1281513 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 16:24:42 UTC

Am I really the only person who watched Obama sworn in and felt sorry for the guy because I knew he was inheriting a poisoned chalice? Are people here so unaware of the complete and utter disaster of a mess Bush left us in? How quickly you forget. I do hope not so forgetful that you run and vote the idiots back in who want to take us back to the same polices that got us there. More wars and wider gap between rich and poor. It's the road to a 3rd world economy.


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Message 1281527 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 17:04:52 UTC
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submit to a nameless, faceless government run by people who you give total control of your life over

Already there, and been there for a long long long time.

No Matter Who Is Prez. No matter who is in Congress. No matter what party.

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Message 1281550 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 17:32:30 UTC
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Interesting fact from the Federal Reserve. "45 percent of before-tax income goes to the top 10 percent of families ranked by income. 75 percent of wealth goes to the top 10 percent of families ranked by wealth."
Draw your own conclusions concerning shared sacrifice.
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Message 1281558 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 17:41:55 UTC - in response to Message 1281527.
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Why would someone from the U.K. or Canada give a crap about what's happening here in the U.S.?

If you don't understand that then you know less than I realised.

-Regulate the markets? How, by deciding who gets rich and who remains dependent? We've made lots of progess here, and looks where we are now.

I suggest you do some background research into how the crash happened. It was because of widespread fraud in the banking system because all the oversights had been removed. I thought you would be aware of this.

-Raise taxes on the rich? The top 10% pays 70% already. Done. Look where we are now. Next?

They do not. They actaully end up paying less of a tax than you or I after they have taken advantage of every possible tax loophole they can.

-What about democrats who've worked to block anything a republican has done? (see my two options in a previous post)

I agree on your reaction against the fillibuster. Although it has been used to a ridiculous extent during Obama's term of office.

-Tea party believes in the individual, communists believe in the state.

What has communism got to do with this election? If you actually knew anything about communism you would know that Obama is no where near being a Communist. This argument is smoke and mirrors and has nothing to do with the current US election. Please try to keep your arguments rooted in reality.

-roads, bridges, infrastructure, alternative energy--when it becomes economically viable, it happens already!

I thought we were talking about the future tea party governemnt that wants to cut back on all Governemt? These things are not happening on the on the level they should be. There is a start difference between the quality of the infrastructure in the US compared to other western countries. It does not compare favourably.

(unless you're a statist and want to use this as a means to control the population...)
More hyperbole. Please try to keep this nonsense out of the discussion.

-Single payer health care? Why not single payer food store and a single payer housing market and a single payer [fill in the blank] so that everyboy has every single one of the *rights* fulfilled? Check out the last of the 3 constitutions of the U.S.S.R. Why not just accept that as our new consitution and try that again?

More hyperbole. If the things you suggested worked and made life better then you would be stupid to rule them out. They have not been proven to do so (for various reasons that I am pretty sure you don't understand, things are far more complicated than you seem to think), whereas single payer healthcare has been shown to work and be a cheaper, better and more effective method of healhtcare delivery. Why cut off your nose to spite your face? You are just as much a slave if you are handing your effort, work and labour to big business without a fair exchange, than if you are handing it to a communist state (which isn't an issue in this situation). A rip off is a rip off.

-Capitalism depends on a mobile work force? That's it? No. Besides, you're not a capitalist, so I don't even know why you're stating this. You're a statist. You want to submit to a nameless, faceless government run by people who you give total control of your life over, so quit talking about how to make capitalism work when you don't want capitalism.

You don't know what I am. I am however not ignorant and apparently I know more Capitalist theory than you do, more communist theory and am even aware that there are other systems out there than just these two. Again your answer is merely a bunch of hyperbole and not based on any reality of the situation. You cannot hope to fix the situation or make stupid sweeping statements on how the other person is wrong if you don't even understand what the situation is. Which you clearly don't. Pinning meaningless labels to me then attacking me is not a valid argument. The sort of argument you are making actually has a name. It is called a straw man argument.

It does not surprise me that you do it so well as it is a favourite ploy of the current Obama decriers. There are plenty of valid complaints you might make against Obama, but you have failed to make any of them.

-Stop trying to mandate women's bodies? How about this: I think the default decision for any woman who gets pregnant (married or not) should be abortion. She should have to justify carrying that baby to full term to a board with at least a simple majority of global warming experts who can evaluate her plea to determine if her plan includes restrictions on the carbon foot print of this future person. And the board should have until she's at 3 centimeters before they make their final decision. That's where communism leads. You may not realize it, but that's what you're asking for.

Not how you took my point to here. I thought I was quite clear that I was asking for it to be a woman's individual choice.

Do you even read people's posts here? Or do you just hit reply and start channelling Rush Limbaugh though your keyboard?

-Start believing in science? BELIEVING? HA!
A poor choice of words on my part. Perhaps recognising and understanding the validity of scientific thought and process? Not quite as catchy perhaps. But when scientists try to get brief and catchy the ignorant jump on it.

Nothing but LOVE my seti@home brothers and sisters, sincerely,

Guy the Great!

I do hope you are trying to learn from them.
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Message 1281571 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 17:59:01 UTC

Why would someone from the U.K. or Canada give a crap about what's happening here in the U.S.?

Of course whatever happens in the US will have NO effect on Canada or the Eurozone economy.

Sort of shows just how out of touch you really are.
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Message 1281574 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 18:01:03 UTC - in response to Message 1281527.

Romney is proud of the "fact" he paid 13% of his "taxable income"(what that means between me and him are VERY different matters.. what even qualifies as his income is highly suspect.). The top 10% pay 70%? O REEEaaallly.. 70% of what, because it is certainly not of what they made.

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